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Roberto
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Gee, how did I miss that?
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don't know why the Pemex bathrooms were in such bad shape (in your visits), but they shouldn't be. I don't know of many Pemex station with bathrooms
that are spotless.
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Vintage, passive agressive DK - make a statement and imply a lot more.
Goodnight, DK, want me to come over and give you a hug?
P.S. You never answered my question above and explained how I can't read. Why am I not surprised?
[Edited on 10-2-2011 by Roberto]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You answered my point very well... In the U.S. THERE IS: Chevron, Exxon Mobil, or Conoco Phillips... THAT is called competition, the free market, free
enterprise. We, the people choose where to buy and no one company is run by the government with all competition made illegal. In Mexico, you have
Pemex, Pemex, and Pemex to choose from... LOL!!! 
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it makes sense to have a state oil co. the oil in mexico belongs to the people!
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Bajahowodd
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You answered my point very well... In the U.S. THERE IS: Chevron, Exxon Mobil, or Conoco Phillips... THAT is called competition, the free market, free
enterprise. We, the people choose where to buy and no one company is run by the government with all competition made illegal. In Mexico, you have
Pemex, Pemex, and Pemex to choose from... LOL!!!
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You totally miss the point. Whether it is a state monopoly, as the goat notes, or some huge multi-national corporations, the bottom line is that
franchisees relinquish a great deal of their local autonomy just to get the franchise. At the end of the day, any franchiser would seem to welcome the
improvement of a franchise, if it meant selling more product.
Why would Pemex encourage filthy stations? Especially since there is significant tourist busniess, and in my experience, the newer Pemex stations have
employed up-to-date fixtures, and cleanliness standards.
Why do you think that Pemex should be singled-out versus the multi-nationals such as Chevron, Exxon Mobil or Conoco Phillips?
As a franchisee, there is virtually no difference. You are at the mercy of the contract you signed.
Your attempt to bring socialism into this conversation is totally lame. If you want to start a thread about free enterprise versus government control,
be my guest.
But, in my opinion, if Antonio is really not keeping his restrooms clean or cannot build improvements, I'd like to hear that from him.
Please give me some reasons why Pemex would prevent a franchisee from a) providing clean restrooms, and b) improving their property.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
You answered my point very well... In the U.S. THERE IS: Chevron, Exxon Mobil, or Conoco Phillips... THAT is called competition, the free market, free
enterprise. We, the people choose where to buy and no one company is run by the government with all competition made illegal. In Mexico, you have
Pemex, Pemex, and Pemex to choose from... LOL!!!
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You totally miss the point. Whether it is a state monopoly, as the goat notes, or some huge multi-national corporations, the bottom line is that
franchisees relinquish a great deal of their local autonomy just to get the franchise. At the end of the day, any franchiser would seem to welcome the
improvement of a franchise, if it meant selling more product.
Why would Pemex encourage filthy stations? Especially since there is significant tourist busniess, and in my experience, the newer Pemex stations have
employed up-to-date fixtures, and cleanliness standards.
Why do you think that Pemex should be singled-out versus the multi-nationals such as Chevron, Exxon Mobil or Conoco Phillips?
As a franchisee, there is virtually no difference. You are at the mercy of the contract you signed.
Your attempt to bring socialism into this conversation is totally lame. If you want to start a thread about free enterprise versus government control,
be my guest.
But, in my opinion, if Antonio is really not keeping his restrooms clean or cannot build improvements, I'd like to hear that from him.
Please give me some reasons why Pemex would prevent a franchisee from a) providing clean restrooms, and b) improving their property.
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the baja cactus pemex is only game in town. the owner obviously doesn't need to keep restoom clean to attract customers, as there is no alternative
place to buy fuel.
while DK hates the oil monopoly. at local level, baja cactus pemex is a monopoly, and the restroom conditions perhaps reflects what happens when
there is no competition in el rosario... perhaps.
if socialism came with a mandate of the people that all restrooms would be sparkling clean, then the socialist world would be a better place!
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[Edited on 10-2-2011 by mtgoat666]
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Please give me some reasons why Pemex would prevent a franchisee from a) providing clean restrooms, and b) improving their property.
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There is no reason why PEMEX would prevent a franchisee from providing clean restrooms...........the problem is supervision and oversight.
Who(m) ever is supposed to be checking/cleaning the restrooms isn't. Who(m) ever is supervising that individual is not doing their job.
While I have stayed at Baja Cactus and found it a pleasant experience with neat, clean rooms, the same can't be said for the PEMEX station restrooms.
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norte
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my goodness. The gas station and hotel are owned by the same person?If the station bathrooms are that bad, how do you know the hotel rooms are
really that clean?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
If the station bathrooms are that bad, how do you know the hotel rooms are really that clean? |
Past experience, perhaps? 
The hotel rooms are great - especially for the money.
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Sheesh - you people can argue over the most insignificant things. Gas station bathrooms vs. hotel bathrooms. Over 2,000 cars a day pass through El
Rosario, many of which buy gas at the corner - a percentage of those use the bathrooms. Q: How many Mexicans does it take to mess up a bathroom with
(1) baby diapers; (2) stealing the toilet paper so there's none left for other users; (3) littering instead of using trash cans; (4) not flushing; (5)
and possibly clogging the toilets with who knows what. Not racism - the majority of users are Mexicans - and that's the truth. (Go ahead and chicken
coop about that in Off Topic). The issue really is not for the owners to be cleaning up after bathroom users, it's for users to please be considerate
- it's a public facility. And it's a gas station - not a lounge. Antonio should charge to use his bathrooms - like ALL the bathrooms in ALL the bus
stations in Mexico - there's free ones (unkept), and ones that charge a peso (clean). There is an attendant in those who give you an appropriate
amount of toilet paper. Roadys should be prepared with their own soap and toilet paper (I do).
On the other hand, Antonio has [how many rooms]? Each with their own bathroom? Tourists/guests - not road folk - different class altogether.
And yes, Roberto, give DK a hug. I hope you're not of one of the "negative vibe" types which overlay everything with a dark cloud. We don't need
more of them.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
...give DK a hug. |
the conversation got a bit silly, all the talk about bathrooms and toilet paper strategy (doesn't evrybody travel throughout baja with a roll of TP in
their cargo shorts?  )
but saying DK deserves a hug is silliest of all -- he was the guy who said the bathrooms were result of socialism!
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Wilderone totally agree with you. People dont take care. Some do.Some dont, Sad.
I dont know if some of you have used the rest stop bathroom on the 5 freeway going south rt after las Pulgas exit before Camp Pendleton id say 20k
people use it a day and they are the cleanest by far. People are just more caring id say? Am i Wrong?
You know whats funny we consider ourselfs well manared? In a community of 10 million ants they are more efficient and caring than us humans weird ha?
They takecare of themselves and clean after themselves in a orderly way we seem not to be able to match, just a thought I find really amazing.
READY SET.....................
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Not sure about culture... here is the top 9 worst ... by country ... didn't break out Baja from Mexico ...
From huff post...
http://tinyurl.com/3ljeytg
[Edited on 10-3-2011 by wessongroup]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
my goodness. The gas station and hotel are owned by the same person?If the station bathrooms are that bad, how do you know the hotel rooms are
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One owner two different coustomer bases. I dont have any hard numbers but based on my experince about 95% of the hotel customer base is Foriegn
tourist where the pemex station base is probably 95% local.
Its strictly my opinion but some of the local merchants especially the ones that have become the Darlings of the Foriegn crowd become very
contemptuois of their own people thus the two differing attitudes.
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Maybe we should start a new thread titled "hug DK in a filthy bathroom"....I thought this one was about the motel in Catavina.
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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guess we will have to keep those mesicans away from the bathrooms so as we turists can be happy
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Roberto
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David, you have uncovered the conspiracy. You devil you. BTW - do you know the meaning of "passive agressive"? Just asking.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
There is also an ATM that dispenses CASH.
South of Los Pinos, it appears IMPOSSIBLE to obtain cash along HWY 1 - until GN. |
Thank you, Ken. That is valuable information.
"I knew I'd find a pony somewhere in there"
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Again, I don't know why he isn't able to make his employees keep the public restrooms clean to everyone's liking? |
it's all about priorities.
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but is it only Antonio's restrooms you find dirty... because I don't recall other threads with specific stations targeted for the white glove
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well, i don't keep notes and gps waypoints, but i have seen some nice, clean pemex bathrooms. in my experience, if the outside is well maintained,
the inside is too.
i always use the loo before buying snacks/sodas. if the loo is bad, i skip the c-store purchase. i figure the staff that uses the loo is same staff
that stocks the shelves,... bet they don't wash their hands! no thanks!!!!!!
now about this offer of DKs that we can use the better BR next door at motel,... WTF!?!? i did not see a sign saying:
"if you are displeased with our filth,
please pop over next door for less filth!
the management"
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actually the el rosario pemex has a full time attendent now
i was there twice in two weeks
the restroom is old and the equipment is bad but
the attendent is taking care of it as best possible
its way better than in the past
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
actually the el rosario pemex has a full time attendent now
i was there twice in two weeks
the restroom is old and the equipment is bad but
the attendent is taking care of it as best possible
its way better than in the past |
That is good news. An attendant - Hallelujah!
Let's get back on the topic -- Hotel Mission Catavina has nice bathrooms. and they have always been spotlessly clean when I have stayed there.
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Sounds as though you're calling Roberto a liar, David.
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Just stirring the pot, folks. 
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