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Barry A.
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Norte---------- I am losing it----------------class of '65, not '75. I was in
El Centro from early '74 to mid-'86.
Details, details, details------hard for me to keep things straight.
I once sued my Govt. bosses for "age discrimination" (it was blatant)-------we settled for what was mutually beneficial.
And Ken, you are so right.
Barry
[Edited on 4-28-2012 by Barry A.]
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Cypress
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Sitting Bull!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
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-------and Crazy Horse--------a great team!!!! 
Barry
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EnsenadaDr
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Thanks David for your contribution
David,
I for one appreciate your contributions and do not have time to go to museums and libraries to research the Jesuits original writings, I am too busy
working and studying for my boards so I appreciate posts like yours that give me a more well rounded view of the world. | Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I didn't say 'written' was the only type...
Rare view... well, as far as the CALIFORNIA story (on the Indians' side) goes... and when I say California, I mean the original California...
How about presenting more Native American links to their California history? It would be appreciated... |
David, do your own research and for primary sources, try some University and Museum libraries----do you know where the original Jesuit writings are
housed? If you are writing a history book, searching for the primary sources is essential; any history book is far more credible if it includes
primary and well as secondary sources. And it is even more credible if the sources are from English and Spanish sources. Otherwise, it becomes more
of tour guide.
Nothing wrong with tour guides, but they are not history books. They may include some simple ideas about the history of an area, but they are
certainly not credible sources for learning history.
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EnsenadaDr
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The White man...
From the 1927 Grand Council of American Indians
"The white people, who are trying to make us over into their image, they want us to be what they call "assimilated," bringing the Indians into the
mainstream and destroying our own way of life and our own cultural patterns." from http://www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/quotes.html or Quotes from our native past...Indians themselves refer to "the white man"..so did the native
Hawaiians when they saw Captain Cook. | Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Well, no matter what I post here, there is no pleasing some of you. The funny thing is if someone else posted this with very same title, they would be
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As perhaps the only African-American on BN, I wouldn't use this language to describe Caucasian people in a thread. It simply sounds uneducated.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
David,
I for one appreciate your contributions and do not have time to go to museums and libraries to research the Jesuits original writings, I am too busy
working and studying for my boards so I appreciate posts like yours that give me a more well rounded view of the world. | Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I didn't say 'written' was the only type...
Rare view... well, as far as the CALIFORNIA story (on the Indians' side) goes... and when I say California, I mean the original California...
How about presenting more Native American links to their California history? It would be appreciated... |
David, do your own research and for primary sources, try some University and Museum libraries----do you know where the original Jesuit writings are
housed? If you are writing a history book, searching for the primary sources is essential; any history book is far more credible if it includes
primary and well as secondary sources. And it is even more credible if the sources are from English and Spanish sources. Otherwise, it becomes more
of tour guide.
Nothing wrong with tour guides, but they are not history books. They may include some simple ideas about the history of an area, but they are
certainly not credible sources for learning history.
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You know, if someone can find any post on this thread where I did not encourage David to continue his writing, I sure wish someone would quote it.
In fact, I encouraged him to continue with what he is doing. And there is nothing wrong with pop history books, or tour guides, especially if they
encourage people to think a bit more about history and maybe pursue more information.
I made the mistake of thinking he wanted to be a serious historian and encouraged him to do real research if that is the case. But he admits that he
is not a serious historian.
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I have NEVER called myself a serious historian... I am a Baja history-lover/ fan/ reader, etc.
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David, I apologize for thinking you wanted to be a serious historian.
This quote from him is when I said I give
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Getting that correct info to the masses is more important than re-doing what has been done...
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Is it correct information? Perhaps, and perhaps it is biased as is ALL history --- His version of the Mission History based on the research of
others is interesting and quite biased. Gees, it is easy to see some very slanted bias in that video --- certainly some very biased generalizations.
I certainly was not suggesting that everyone run out and read primary sources on their own --- only suggested it if someone was writing a serious
history book and was a serious historian.
But I guess that is seen as picking on the poor boy and having too high of standards, or perhaps just an awareness of what is happening.
[Edited on 4-28-2012 by DianaT]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Sitting Bull! |
-------and Crazy Horse--------a great team!!!! Barry
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captkw
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WOW, been gone awhile !!
Hey ,,trust the gov...just ask a indian !! and.... vegaterin= old indian word for lousy hunter ..LOL K & T back in the land of the fee.....
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captkw
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huh !! where is this videio ????
HOLA/HIGH/ HI,,,is this vid ,,umm around ?? K&T
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white man
Hola,anyone know where this vid can be whatched ??? K & t
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
Hola,anyone know where this vid can be whatched ??? K & t |
On page 1 of this topic gnukid posted a link to the video, just click on the play button in the middle of the picture. Part 2 and 3 are there too,
interesting stuff.....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Skipjack Joe
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Or copy and paste it into a separate browser. The link mysteriously didn't work for me either.
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Cypress
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Geronimo!
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Hook
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David, that you for creating a post that has kept the Playa Buenaventura thread off the front page for 24 hours.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
Hola,anyone know where this vid can be whatched ??? K & t |
You can buy your own copy from the film's co-producer, how it got on You Tube is unknown (and not approved) and naturally doesn't help pay the cost of
creating it. Send me a u2u and I will get you ordering details. Otherwise, watch it for free on You Tube (and once again the white man rips off the
red man)!
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David K
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What a great way to fish... LOL!
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Otherwise, watch it for free on You Tube (and once again the white man rips off the red man)! |
Why not flag the material as 'inappropriate' on grounds of not granted permission for public use?
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David K
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I don't understand what you are trying to convey Ken...? Flag? inappropriate?
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
I don't understand what you are trying to convey Ken...? Flag? inappropriate? |
YouTube content has to be approved and maintain its approval, or it will get reviewed for possible abuse by the owner (Google).
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