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Yeah Woody, my banner says suicide prevention pledge. I also noticed in the tire thread recently an ad for tires. Smart......I guess.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
We've all heard that we shouldn't judge others, but today we have a very special video that really shows why judging someone is not only
close-minded but never the right thing to do. The top video below of a boy named Jonathan and his friend Charlotte will touch your heart like none
other. It's the video that has everyone talking. Have a wonderful day and God bless.
"Do not judge, or you too, will be judged." - Matthew 7:1
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=kt3Utn4mjeg |
WOW! That was great and too the point!
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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The christian churches consider suicide to be a mortal sin, of course. The gift of life can't be willfully extinguished. I guess it's like abortion,
only at the other end of a lifespan.
But almost nobody pays attention to that anymore.
Gary Plummer has voiced his opinion this morning about this suicide and the NFL. All speculation.
It's hard to believe that he didn't confide in anyone about his depressions all these years.
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Very Beautiful, Dick...
Dick, that was just beautiful, and I love that song...The Prayer...I love the way Andrea Bocelli sings it with Celine Dion...and I loved the way these
two sang it. BTW, how have you been??? | Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
We've all heard that we shouldn't judge others, but today we have a very special video that really shows why judging someone is not only
close-minded but never the right thing to do. The top video below of a boy named Jonathan and his friend Charlotte will touch your heart like none
other. It's the video that has everyone talking. Have a wonderful day and God bless.
"Do not judge, or you too, will be judged." - Matthew 7:1
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=kt3Utn4mjeg |
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The Junior I knew..
Junior Seau was an entertainer on the field, and off the field, he loved playing for the Chargers and loved the attention he got. Sadly, I believe
nothing came close to this in later years and maybe he felt this was his only option. | Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
The Junior I knew........ |
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Get your theology in better shape
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The christian churches consider suicide to be a mortal sin, of course. The gift of life can't be willfully extinguished. I guess it's like abortion,
only at the other end of a lifespan.
But almost nobody pays attention to that anymore.
Gary Plummer has voiced his opinion this morning about this suicide and the NFL. All speculation.
It's hard to believe that he didn't confide in anyone about his depressions all these years. |
I am not a Roman Catholic, but I understand that this church considers suicide to be as you have portrayed.
Most present day Protestant churches (I happen to be a Presbyterian elder) would more likely consider it to be, as has been portrayed on this thread,
a manifestation of mental issues, and this act alone would not condemn your soul.
Sorry to pop your bubble, but that is the way it would be seen in most non-Roman churches.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Sadly, I believe nothing came close to this in later years and maybe he felt this was his only option.
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That's when it was time to switch gears. The NFL is now being pressured to provide counseling to former players to make a smooth transition.
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Smooth Transition..
It sounds all well and good theoretically, but in actuality, you really have to accept the fact that there may be summits in your life that you will
never reach again...and, in that respect, may be part of this counseling. There is a possibility that some out there don't want to accept it. | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Sadly, I believe nothing came close to this in later years and maybe he felt this was his only option.
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That's when it was time to switch gears. The NFL is now being pressured to provide counseling to former players to make a smooth transition.
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I really don't care what the church thinks about suicide. I don't need a church or a 2000 year old book to tell me that suicide sucks. It appears to
be an easy way out for the person doing it, but look at the damage it does to those left behind.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
It sounds all well and good theoretically, but in actuality, you really have to accept the fact that there may be summits in your life that you will
never reach again...and, in that respect, may be part of this counseling. There is a possibility that some out there don't want to accept it. | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Sadly, I believe nothing came close to this in later years and maybe he felt this was his only option.
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That's when it was time to switch gears. The NFL is now being pressured to provide counseling to former players to make a smooth transition.
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Yes, I agree.
I keep thinking of Hemingway's suicide. His father made the same choice as did his brother. It wasn't mental illness as much as a belief in how life
should be led.
After they zapped his brain repeatedly he was unable to write. He lost much of his memory which he needed to draw from for the writings. The quality
of life had dropped to a level that was unacceptable.
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Looks like Junior Seau's family is going to allow research on his brain...
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
I really don't care what the church thinks about suicide. I don't need a church or a 2000 year old book to tell me that suicide sucks. It appears to
be an easy way out for the person doing it, but look at the damage it does to those left behind. |
It's one and the same, I think. These religious vices and virtues simply support basic social needs.
Christianity wouldn't be here now if the commandments stated:
1) Thou shalt kill
2) Thou shalt covet thy neighbors wife.
etc.
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Woody, I would suggest that before we judge Junior or anybody for suicide that we try to comprehend what kind of "demons" they were
dealing with to drive them to such a tragic action. We ALL have our demons or issues. We All deal with them in different ways. Like you Woody, I do
not believe in suicide as a solution for anything. But having been through 65 years of life including the Vietnam War and having seen many friends and
co workers go through their own horrors in life. Before judging I always try to think of how horrible would it have to be to drive me to suicide. I
try to experience myself in their position. My only conclusion is always the same, IT MUST BE EXCRUCIATING.
Junior had a wonderful life. Great family support, thousands of loyal fans, hundreds of friends, fame, fortune, family....etc. How horrible of a
demon would it take to do what he has done. There was obviously a lot of pain there somewhere. Junior had a super strong body and a love of life that
was equally strong. He was truly a "superman" and at the same time he still had that little boy inside of him that we all loved. I can't imagine the
incredible amount of pain he was suffering psychologically that drove him to this extreme. I went for happy hour and dinner with him just a couple of
weeks before. He seemed very happy and normal that night. He wouldn't let me drive home. He called his girlfriend and had her come down and drive us
both home. I still can't believe this has happened. I only wish I could have said something or done something to change his mind. But it seems he
never reached out to anybody for help. Guess he thought he was just too strong to ask for help....... ... ....
Woody, before you burn your #55 Seau jersey ask yourself, "how horrible would it have to be to drive you to suicide. Think about it before you answer
yourself. IMAGINE for a minute because it IS possible for any one of us. It's just a matter of how bad it would have to be. And "I'd never do it" is
not a valid answer.
Before we condemn Junior for his last and desperate action. Let's remember all the good things he did and give him credit for being the wonderful
man he was
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Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  ....  ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ?? 
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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Brings back sad memories..
I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They
had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to
a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario
Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married
for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those
years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the bathroom, and shot
himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person, ironically you could
say he was so full of life. | Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Woody, I would suggest that before we judge Junior or anybody for suicide that we try to comprehend what kind of "demons" they were
dealing with to drive them to such a tragic action. We ALL have our demons or issues. We All deal with them in different ways. Like you Woody, I do
not believe in suicide as a solution for anything. But having been through 65 years of life including the Vietnam War and having seen many friends and
co workers go through their own horrors in life. Before judging I always try to think of how horrible would it have to be to drive me to suicide. I
try to experience myself in their position. My only conclusion is always the same, IT MUST BE EXCRUCIATING.
Junior had a wonderful life. Great family support, thousands of loyal fans, hundreds of friends, fame, fortune, family....etc. How horrible of a
demon would it take to do what he has done. There was obviously a lot of pain there somewhere. Junior had a super strong body and a love of life that
was equally strong. He was truly a "superman" and at the same time he still had that little boy inside of him that we all loved. I can't imagine the
incredible amount of pain he was suffering psychologically that drove him to this extreme. I went for happy hour and dinner with him just a couple of
weeks before. He seemed very happy and normal that night. He wouldn't let me drive home. He called his girlfriend and had her come down and drive us
both home. I still can't believe this has happened. I only wish I could have said something or done something to change his mind. But it seems he
never reached out to anybody for help. Guess he thought he was just too strong to ask for help..............
Woody, before you burn your #55 Seau jersey ask yourself, "how horrible would it have to be to drive you to suicide. Think about it before you answer
yourself. IMAGINE for a minute because it IS possible for any one of us. It's just a matter of how bad it would have to be. And "I'd never do it" is
not a valid answer.
Before we condemn Junior for his last and desperate action. Let's remember all the good things he did and give him credit for being the wonderful
man he was
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They
had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to
a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario
Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married
for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those
years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the
bathroom, and shot himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person,
ironically you could say he was so full of life
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There's your clue (in bold).
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Yeah, for sure..
So Skipjack, are you saying he was losing it?? | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They
had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to
a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario
Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married
for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those
years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the
bathroom, and shot himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person,
ironically you could say he was so full of life
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There's your clue (in bold). |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
I really don't care what the church thinks about suicide. I don't need a church or a 2000 year old book to tell me that suicide sucks. It appears to
be an easy way out for the person doing it, but look at the damage it does to those left behind. |
It's one and the same, I think. These religious vices and virtues simply support basic social needs.
Christianity wouldn't be here now if the commandments stated:
1) Thou shalt kill
2) Thou shalt covet thy neighbors wife.
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Agreed.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
I have this wonderful friend, who was married to a guy who had a fantastic personality. My friend is very shy, and he was quite the opposite. They
had a gorgeous wedding in Ridgefield, Connecticut at a place called Stonehenge. We would all go out for Mexican food in the 1980's in Connecticut to
a place called Tortilla Flats in Danbury. Rich was a wonderful guy, so intelligent, so full of life. When my son was five years old, he played Mario
Bros. with him for hours. He was an editor for a magazine about Flying; his dad had been a commercial pilot for a major airline. They were married
for 20 years, and then, suddenly he started acting wierd. He told my friend they needed to move out of their townhouse they had paid on all those
years. He said he felt it was contaminated. A few months later he went to lunch with his brother, left to go outside to the bathroom, and shot
himself by a tree. My poor friend, she never quite got over it...and I miss her husband very much...he was a wonderful person, ironically you could
say he was so full of life. | Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
Woody, I would suggest that before we judge Junior or anybody for suicide that we try to comprehend what kind of "demons" they were
dealing with to drive them to such a tragic action. We ALL have our demons or issues. We All deal with them in different ways. Like you Woody, I do
not believe in suicide as a solution for anything. But having been through 65 years of life including the Vietnam War and having seen many friends and
co workers go through their own horrors in life. Before judging I always try to think of how horrible would it have to be to drive me to suicide. I
try to experience myself in their position. My only conclusion is always the same, IT MUST BE EXCRUCIATING.
Junior had a wonderful life. Great family support, thousands of loyal fans, hundreds of friends, fame, fortune, family....etc. How horrible of a
demon would it take to do what he has done. There was obviously a lot of pain there somewhere. Junior had a super strong body and a love of life that
was equally strong. He was truly a "superman" and at the same time he still had that little boy inside of him that we all loved. I can't imagine the
incredible amount of pain he was suffering psychologically that drove him to this extreme. I went for happy hour and dinner with him just a couple of
weeks before. He seemed very happy and normal that night. He wouldn't let me drive home. He called his girlfriend and had her come down and drive us
both home. I still can't believe this has happened. I only wish I could have said something or done something to change his mind. But it seems he
never reached out to anybody for help. Guess he thought he was just too strong to ask for help..............
Woody, before you burn your #55 Seau jersey ask yourself, "how horrible would it have to be to drive you to suicide. Think about it before you answer
yourself. IMAGINE for a minute because it IS possible for any one of us. It's just a matter of how bad it would have to be. And "I'd never do it" is
not a valid answer.
Before we condemn Junior for his last and desperate action. Let's remember all the good things he did and give him credit for being the wonderful
man he was
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how's the chow at his restaurant? i never got to go there when i was in SD working 2001-2004.
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