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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Let's switch from ideological hyperbole to cold, bald, reality. The state of California is FORCED BY LAW to publish statistics about fuel prices,
taxes, profits, crude costs, refining costs and profits.
On a little known site resides fact, not fiction. But because the state government relies heavily on gasoline sales tax revenue, it cannot afford to
take a consumer oriented stance. Indeed in a trance of make believe wishing that fuel could soar to fifty dollars a gallon, coupled with same or
increased consumer consumption, viola, the end to California's deficit!
One must study the chart in the link below, not merely glance at it. But if you do study it, things will come into perspective. I hope I am not
wasting electrons here. While the 3 little pigs argue, the wolf is sprinkling garlic salt and pepper on them. Cheers!
http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.php
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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
China may soon have a full blown civil war on its hands. |
Do you have some links with info or do you mean Syria?
[Edited on 6-1-2012 by SFandH]
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Bits and pieces. China isn't CNN. Stories of factories closing, and the PLA The People's Liberation Army is working in factories earning little more
than their keep. There is increasing civil unrest in the country, and what I say is this. If you think the recession is impacting the USA hard, it's
going to mortify China. The Yuan does not have a death grip on the USD for nothing. China has many mouths to feed. And it cannot grow all of its rice.
China is like Mexico, even more so, with several official languages.
GOOGLE
civil unrest in china
Pick on the latest information. Multiply it by factor X, what happens when a hundred million chinese lose their jobs. Beijing is not stupid, they will
keep the PLA working and civilians will get the boot. Nothing is as perturbing as the thought of an army of ten million hungry soldiers.
This surmising of mine is based on what I believe is coming, and it isn't pretty. Western economies are based on TRUST, that's how credit ratings get
established, loans approved, deals struck, and money loosens. When trust evaporates, world financial markets have twenty seven dozen euphemisms for
it. If I started naming all of the buzzwords it would blow every integrated circuit on this server.
Read the history of the great crash of 1929. Study it. I could name a dozen worthy works about global depression. Money dries up. The "supposedly
untouchables" find themselves without orders, without compensation, without work. This would have been so easy to avoid. But compare margin buying to
sub prime loans. The first was public, the second, private. Effects = Same
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Cypress
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Syria without a doubt has a full-blown civil war on its hands. China? That would be a major, major. What would the USA do? Under the current
administration I get a mental picture of someone sucking their thumb.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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But my preaching has to have an end. And this is it. Saludos!
And México is paradise.
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MitchMan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
It's silly to try to appease someone who's agenda is your demise.
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That's what I fealt when Mitch McConnell said publicly early on that his number one goal is to defeat
Obama.
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Cypress
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Mithman, Did you get a tingle down your leg?
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MitchMan
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Cypress
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Pescador
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Well, Mitchman, the most complete treatment of the Subprime Crisis that I have read comes from the Heritage Foundation and is pretty dead spot on with
their treatment. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2008/04/the-subprim...
I still find it very interesting that you have such "unresolved anger issues" in most of your statements. Never once did I attack you for your
liberal beliefs or positions, but you find it necessary to continually attack and use futile attempts at demeaning. Sure must put a serious damper on
your ability to communicate with those who do not share your "world view".
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MitchMan
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Pescador, thanks for the link. I will read it with great interest.
My motis operandi in my "communications" with those who have posted opposing views to mine is to read very carefully what the opposition writes and
says and use their very words to discredit those words with adequate and sufficient pertinent facts. That's the honest and responsible and fair thing
to do.
If my manner is too sharp or seems too sharp at times or even most of the time, I think there are three principal reasons for that. 1) A reflection
of my disgust for repeated false and unsupported statements, rank ignorance of pertinent facts, and for the many deliberate and many hateful
mischaracterizations by the right wingers on this forum, 2) a reflection of my disgust that the right wingers on this forum have gotten away with
their crap mentioned above for too dam long and it is high time that they are held accountable for the gross errors and mean spiritedness of their
ways.
The third reason is, in my view, best illustrated by that famous Harry Truman quote: "I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think
it's hell".
Time after time (as in this thread in my encounter with you), I take the opposing view's words, verbatim, apply careful reading to correctly interpret
exactly was said using sound grammar and sentence structure analysis and then build my case to discredit and disprove those statements with adequate
and sufficient pertinent facts.
And, time after time, I never get a refutation of any of my facts nor even refutation of the pertinence of those facts to the instant issue under
scrutiny, but instead, I get what you have done and that is to 1)cowardly, dishonestly, and consistently fail to respond to the glaring on-point facts
that soundly descredited their statements 2) fail to support their own (your own) statements/conclusions with adequate and sufficient fact 3) exit
with the classic Barry-ism #1: "We just have a difference of opinion". AND/OR 4) respond with more unsupported
conclusions, accusations or mischaracterizations.
Also, quite consciously and carefully and deliberately, I usually am not the first one (in an exchange) to call a person any names; that would be
character assassination. But, I do fight fire with fire if my oponent does that first, you can count on me for that. What I do quite regularly,
though, is use colorful language and names (if you will) to criticize the "statement" itself made by my oponent in an exchange (not the person
themself), or characterize and purposely denigrate the opposing concept itself, or use a very criticising word to describe some one's "action or
deed". That is quite different than calling the "person" a name, as that, again, would be character assassination. You need to get that straight.
BTW, your feeble and inexpert attempt at arm chair character/personality analyzation is becoming an observable familiar pattern of yours. Now, see,
you are actively engaging in "character assassination". Could such deflection be your defense mechanism when you
have nothing else and you feel that you have to respond (just asking, don't really know)? But, if that's all you got, I guess you have to go with it.
[Edited on 6-2-2012 by MitchMan]
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EdZeranski
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Mood: Si! Como no???
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Stereo?
No stereo...Only mon-aural??? 8^0
EdZ
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