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J.P.
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Begging
There's Begging and then There's Begging.
In our local there's a conveniently placed tope that everyone from everywhere stands on to Beg. like Robert Durrell said the School kids stand there
and Beg for every thing under the sun and most are very well dressed and yacking on a cell phone.
I can't see that as a positive thing for their work ethic Yes most people that live in the area can afford a few Pesos.
but I would rather see them offer some kind of service for funds received. like we all did when we were growing up it's time they start learning
there's no Free Rides in Life instead of viewing the locals and tourist alike as a cash cow.
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gnukid
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Forever in time, people have designed and built their own things from resources and labor on their own backs, homes, clothes, machines, computers, and
transportation.
It makes very little sense to base one's goals on time dedicated to begging for charity vs time spent focused on achieving the goal from one's labor
and resources.
This living on charity idea, it seems, fuels a culture of people who believe someone else to fund their vacation life-style in Baja, which leads to a
poor example, mirrored by others. From those who want to be paid to live in your house while you work, to those who want to receive donations to
further their sports amusements and vacations-it's a losing game for all because it's unsustainable.
Baja is full of resources that can be used to build a life that's your own. Invest in yourself to learn how to design a plan within your planned
budget to build a home from local resources to withstand the elements, such as stone and cement and do the all work yourself and be a proud example
for others. It will be really hard work and really worth it and be done before you know it, as opposed to a multi-year charity campaign that is truly
unsustainable.
[Edited on 8-18-2014 by gnukid]
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
Internet begging I divide into a few categories. JMHO, -- I have no problem with the first three. The fourth one, well...........
1. Those who really are asking for some heartfelt help when in need. The help thy neighbor types. And yes, there is ALWAYS someone worse off.
2. Those asking for help for people and causes in their community; worthy causes or activities.
3. Those who request that someone help them out by delivering something from the states and immediately, if not before, pay for the item or items
requested.
4. Those who request many things from everyone coming their way and know that they will probably not have to pay for their personal items. They take
advantage of the good and generous nature of other people. They like to brag about how they scored.
Not sure the label of begging should be applied to the first three. I see those as requests for help. 
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I know all the arguments that there are those who are in more need, but I still put Michele and family in the number one category. It is simply
helping out a neighbor.
And I find no fault with those who feel that this is not a worthy cause for all kinds of reasons. It is simply a matter of choice.
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mcfez
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Bunch of whiners and old geezers at work here.
Never mind the self- righteousness of the few here......I am sure that greed got them to where they are these days.
Listen to DavidK....you need not explain to these few. I donated to your fund not because you needed money....you needed your dream back.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Just an idea, but why not use some of the money that is being used for a cruise to Puerto Rico, and build with it ?? By the way not to sound like a
cheap sob but my Merc 225 o/b needs rebuilding and I don't feel like paying for it, can you all pay the $6000.00 to rebuild the top end ?? after all I
did donate for the young Doc. and also for the young child that was to have open heart surgery and visit DisneyLand.....
Michelle Marie Salch VanGurp shared a link.
August 10
I'm SOOO excited for what's to come with Scentsy! Every season gets more and more exciting. You've seen my passion for Scentsy, you've seen the
support I get from my Scentsy Brothers and Sisters! Come be a part of this wonderful family! Join my team! Come with us to Puerto Rico! Here's where
we'll be next summer! HOW ABOUT YOU? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hj-0KHHMGH8
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Bajaboy posted:
I tend to agree with your assessment.
" I do find it objectionable when one claims to be needy yet has money for beer, sodas, smokes or whatever the case. But that holds true for either
side of the border. "
..and I'll add, especially cell phones!
I can't even afford one and yet I see people with their hand out asking for money while they are talking on their phone  |
Why shouldn't a poor person buy a phone? Should the poor be prohibited from communication? I consider a phone a basic necessity.
You can help the poor or not. You should not expect to micromanage every decision for the poor. |
And just what makes you think these people are poor? |
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by durrelllrobert]
Bob Durrell
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bajafam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by luv2fish
Just an idea, but why not use some of the money that is being used for a cruise to Puerto Rico, and build with it ?? By the way not to sound like a
cheap sob but my Merc 225 o/b needs rebuilding and I don't feel like paying for it, can you all pay the $6000.00 to rebuild the top end ?? after all I
did donate for the young Doc. and also for the young child that was to have open heart surgery and visit DisneyLand.....
Michelle Marie Salch VanGurp shared a link.
August 10
I'm SOOO excited for what's to come with Scentsy! Every season gets more and more exciting. You've seen my passion for Scentsy, you've seen the
support I get from my Scentsy Brothers and Sisters! Come be a part of this wonderful family! Join my team! Come with us to Puerto Rico! Here's where
we'll be next summer! HOW ABOUT YOU? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hj-0KHHMGH8 |
The quote you posted from my Facebook is from a recruiting drive for my Scentsy business, which includes the company's sales incentive to EARN a
cruise for having high sales and a large number of recruits. I posted that to entice my friends and followers to join my team and work to earn a free
trip. I'm not sure how that, in any way, has anything to do with our gofundme page, except from the beginning when I encouraged my friends and family
to shop my home businesses so that I could contribute to our rebuilding. I assure you, I'm not paying for a trip anywhere, I am trying to earn it,
though, through recruiting new team members and helping them grow a thriving Wickless candle business. I'm not really sure what you were trying to
accomplish by this post, but thanks.
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by bajafam]
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BajaRat
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What you have done luv2fish is to open up a painful wound and distort what Michelle does with her home business, I'm just glad you didn't say these
hurtful things in front of my children, we are still not over it. Neither I nor my children have even asked you for a glass of water but this to you
is some kind of joke ? Thanks.
I hope you never know the finality of fire and what it leaves in its wake.
IT NEVER GOES AWAY.......... You just learn to live with it 
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by BajaRat]
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bajafam
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In case anyone is interested in the above quotes actual context -
https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152307624121169&id...
https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152308334146169&id...
https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152308381181169&id...
https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152308581276169&id...
https://facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152310208226169&id...
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norte
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Had you not begged for money that might be better spent on the truly needy this would not be an issue.
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bajafam
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Had someone not burned my home to the ground I wouldn't have asked. I'll gladly send anyone their money back. Just message me the Paypal information.
I hope that no one ever has to feel the complete devastation of losing a home and a dream, especially with young children involved. I wouldn't wish it
upon my worst enemy, I wouldn't even wish it upon the man that did it to us.
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by bajafam]
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BajaLuna
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very well put, Diana...."It is simply helping out a neighbor".
I will be down in BA this Fall and will leave some donated items for your family.
I will keep holding you and your family in my heart, BajaFam. Please know there are some of us out here who care.
I am seriously stunned by some people's comments, gross just freaking gross and appalling.
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by BajaLuna]
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bajafam
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I would like to remind you, that we didn't start a gofundme page because we didn't feel like paying for something that broke down. Our beloved Baja
home, humble as she was, was broken into, our possessions were sold for drug money, and then to cover the evidence, she was torched like trash. We
received a phone call and were sent pictures and a video, a video that made me vomit and my children sob. This was in January, at the beginning of
what was supposed to be a glorious new year. Instead these past 8 months have been us struggling to move past this violent occurrence, to attempt to
rebuild all that was lost, and the hardest part of that is the emotional devestation. My kids don't want to leave the houset for more than a couple of
hours because they are afraid someone might come and burn it down. How do you replace the loss of innocence in a 6 year old???? I'm trying my best,
and I'm working my Scentsy business as hard as I can, so that I can be home with my children and help them to forgive and move forward; that isn't an
easy task. When my husband calls me to tell me what was posted on here, that someone has said such things, I felt violated all over again. Over what??
I'm crushed. I'm devastated. Yes, I set up a funding page, no, I didn't post it in here because I knew you people would find some way to make it
awful, and I was right. If you look at the beginning of this thread, which was started out of kindness and light by Sirenita, and followed by DianaT
trying to help by posting our go fund page, you'll see that I'm not the bad guy. My family was victimized, violated, my children's innocence destroyed
by some jerk that we don't even know; some nameless, faceless bad guy that thankfully has been caught. However, the violation doesn't end there, it
continues here and you know what, that's even worse because you aren't nameless, faceless jerks. You're just jerks.
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by bajafam]
[Edited on 8-17-2014 by bajafam]
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dtbushpilot
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I feel sorry for your children, they have been seriously dramatized...
[Edited on 8-18-2014 by dtbushpilot]
[Edited on 8-18-2014 by dtbushpilot]
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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gnukid
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Good advice and support across the board from all posters. Focus on the goal (what is the goal), build a plan (what is the plan), with a budget (what
is the budget). Make it happen with a schedule? Don't give up!
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HollowPeaks
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Well I was going to "donate" then I noticed your avatar and decided not too 
Good luck though..
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dtbushpilot
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How is the quilt coming along? Still need shirts?
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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durrelllrobert
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Please help the word police
| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
I feel sorry for your children, they have been seriously dramatized...
[Edited on 8-18-2014 by dtbushpilot]
[Edited on 8-18-2014 by dtbushpilot] |
dramatized
verb (used with object), dramatized, dramatizing.
1.to put into a form suitable for acting on a stage.
2.to express or represent vividly, emotionally, or strikingly:
He dramatizes his woes with sobs and sighs.
verb (used without object), dramatized, dramatizing.
3.to express oneself in a dramatic or exaggerated way.
to put into a form suitable for acting on a stage.
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traumatized
verb (used with object), traumatized, traumatizing.
1.Pathology. to injure (tissues) by force or by thermal, chemical, etc., agents.
2.Psychiatry. to cause a trauma in (the mind):
to be traumatized by a childhood experience.
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dtbushpilot
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No "word police" needed Bob.....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
This is an interesting thread.
I like how it started: a friend helping a friend and soliciting help on behalf of that friend.
Page 2 it kind of augers in with direct solicitation and that, clearly, opens the door for critique.
If you're in the public eye you have to be prepared for a hammering.... we've had our share so developing a thick skin is pretty important when you
solicit funds.
We've all had our losses, some that have had probably more than a few of us wondering how we were going to put a roof over our family's heads.....
I guess some of us deal with them differently.
I will say this: It might be better to let friends solicit funds for a second home as charity rather than to do so directly yourself... that would be
a true measure of friendship.
I rarely offer unsolicited advice but, in this specific case, I would consider removing any post that states anything more than thank you and this is
what happened.
I, in all good conscience, could not bring myself to take it further than that.
I am not faceless, nameless or a jerk so please don't take this negatively.
It is a semi-public forum and people will offer opinions.
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"We'll all had our losses..."
I judge that quite a number of us have lost at least the value of a vintage motorhome to the whims of Baja. I think of Sharks Baja and the brutal
beating he took in Mulege. He asked only that he not be reminded of his loss. (if you're lurking Brother I'm sorry.)
In my Bodega, awaiting a wall of water generated by TS Julio, I had 15 year's accumulation of the tools and hardware Baja proven to keep my casita and
my boat and motor, generator, and water system going. The water moved the slab 20 feet from where I poured it. The loss was as devastating as a
fire...except the fire wouldn't knock down 650 feet of good hog fence on concrete posts.
Even though I was just a guy working for wages, I understood that I was acting like a rich American with a vacation home in a foreign country. I
already had some place to live. Although emotionally stunning and still very painful, we didn't have more invested than we could afford to lose. I
guess, Lionel, that I find your position difficult to support because it never occurred to me that my losses were anyone's but mine. This was my
personal luxury. A vacation place in the palms. If I had had enough money I might still be there. I didn't, I'm not. Does that make sense?
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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