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gnukid
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Here are links to all the ICCC panel discussions reviewing scientific method, data, proven facts and demonstrable lies about climate.
http://climateconference.heartland.org
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Mexitron
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Quote: Originally posted by bonanza bucko  | OK, Suppose that we accept "global warming" as a threat at sometime in the future.
What do you want us to do? Please be specific; give us a list of actions we must take now.
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Whether or not GW will be catastrophic or turn out to be a non-event oil will be come scarcer....fracking is just squeezing oil out of existing oil
geology. I would invest massively in solar energy (manufactured domestically!) solar on every rooftop, not solar farms. This essentially will be
enough power to run houses and cars and more...at the same time develop the hydrogen fuel cell economy---the beauty of hydrogen for fuel is that it
can created locally---small hydrolysis machines running off of solar energy, bigger machines where they're needed. Again, this infrastructure would
all be manufactured domestically. And the exhaust of hydrogen fuel cells is water which can be recycled back to the hydrolysis machine to be used
again. So, there you have it---the air cleaner, middle class restored with plenty of manufacturing, and no reliance on foreign oil....NEXT! Lol
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AKgringo
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Like Pompano, I usually avoid the environmental debates on this forum. Not because I don't care, but the scholarly discourse always evovles into a
scrum that gets old after a while.
I did come across a link today that could throw a little fuel on the fire, so heck, why not?
http://www.applet-magic/GWstopped.htm
I can't vouch for the authors work, or who paid for the study, but it is from San Jose State University
Second edit; I fixed it!
Edit; I thought the web address would come through as a link you could click on
[Edited on 6-14-2015 by AKgringo]
[Edited on 6-14-2015 by AKgringo]
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | Like Pompano, I usually avoid the environmental debates on this forum. Not because I don't care, but the scholarly discourse always evovles into a
scrum that gets old after a while.
I did come across a link today that could throw a little fuel on the fire, so heck, why not?
www.applet-magic/GWstopped.htm
I can't vouch for the authors work, or who paid for the study, but it is from San Jose State University
Edit; I thought the web address would come through as a link you could click on
[Edited on 6-14-2015 by AKgringo] |
Actually it's a private website maintained by an economics professor who works at San Jose State.
https://who.is/whois/applet-magic.com
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/watkins.htm
He's being deceptive by putting the San Jose State graphic on the top of the page.
http://www.applet-magic.com/GWstopped.htm
[Edited on 6-14-2015 by SFandH]
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David K
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And so, no matter what we think or do about this topic, the earth will keep on doing what it will. Fear of something that neither effects you or you
can affect, is just drama used to control others or extract money.
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SFandH
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A billboard by the climate change skeptic organization gnukid references:
Who's playing to fear?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | And so, no matter what we think or do about this topic, the earth will keep on doing what it will. Fear of something that neither effects you or you
can affect, is just drama used to control others or extract money. |
it is curious that for someone who professes an interest in the natural history and the outdoor wonders of baja, you are astoundingly anti-science
and prone to knee-jerk reactions to dismiss as lies all of natural history, climatology and geoscience that conflicts with your politics/dogma.
you know, science in fields far removed from your experience can be fascinating to learn about,... you should open up your mind and pull your head out
of your arse.
the biogeochemistry in climate science is interesting - open up your mind and you might even find entertainment in learning about it.
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SFandH
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Plus, if the IPCC predictions are true, how will the climate of baja change? For the better or for the worse? It might start getting more rainfall,
rainfall other than tropical storm caused rainfall maybe. Greener, more agriculture possibly. Or it might get drier. It would be interesting to make
some assumptions about climate change and try to infer the effect on baja.
I think it's a safe to say that with global warming, what we consider tropical weather will expand north and south. Maybe we're seeing that now with
the earlier hurricanes.
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I've stated it before, and I'll do it again. We have an epidemic of asthma and COPD that is directly related to the increase in carbon emissions.
If you are an idiot who wants to keeps arguing about climate change yes, or no, you can still understand why we need to reduce carbon emissions, so
our children and grand children will be able to breathe.
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There is also that issue, extracting and burning fossil fuels is filthy, dangerous, and harmful to the environment and all animals. I've seen some
horrible photos of air pollution from coal plants in China.
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bajabuddha
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The part that both fascinates and befuddles me the most is the stance taken by the doubters that because of natural disasters and disturbances over
the millennia are justification for the current effects, measurements, and potential man-caused disturbances measured today.
"What about the Great Lakes? Can somebody explain to me about them??" ..... Yes, somebody has (many-body's, actually); you can see their effects in
the great boulders in Central Park, NYC. Well-explained, well SCIENTIFICALLY studied. Meantime, take the time to learn maybe. "One big volcano and
BLOOIE !!!! IT'S ALL THE SAME !" No, it's not. Have any of you true doubters ever really taken any courses in geology/paleontology/climatology,
other than what you have fallen in-step with from your traditional political family stances?
Our most famous critic espouses ''open your eyes, think for yourself''. Good point, good advice; IF you have the maturity to back it up, rather than
stuck in a 13-year-old's mentality of tunnel vision and no periphery, or possibility thereof. One must realize there is no ''true
self-taught-vision'' in our whole existence. You are the cumulation of hundreds of millions of thoughts, actions, and words formulated by others
you've seen/heard over your own lifetime. You didn't wake up one morning with an 'epiphany' and come up with your dogma/tag-line; you learned it
from someone you admired and believed.
So did Jim Jones' crew. So don't blame the hundreds of thousands of scientists accepting less-than-acceptable wages trying to do something beneficial
to our deteriorating earth while your idols, the true usurpers and abusers blind you with hate-filled rhetoric. I've never seen a 'liberal' loose
their temper and shout, but on many occasions have seen very strong-willed 'conservatives' loose their friggin' minds and turn into shouting bullies
just because someone said something that may be construed as 'anti-patriotic' or 'anti-governmental' (their governmental)......
SYNOPSIS:
The current global climate change has NOTHING to do with paleo-climatology. The State of Oregon and the Idaho Batholith prove that. The end of the
Pleistocene Ice Age has NOTHING to do with it. The Permian Extinction or the Cretaceous/Tertiary Boundary has NOTHING to do with what we have been,
are, and will continue to do in a very short, and getting shorter, time period.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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David K
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Goat, I am super pro-science... love facts to death. Man-made climate disaster is a HOAX upon intelligent people. You must want to think man is
mightier than Nature, or believe in a powerful, central government to manage every part of your life to be so willing to accept what former
politicians, Hollywood stars, and government paid workers keep pushing on us.
Just the fact that after years of calling it 'Global Warming', they had to rename it... BECAUSE THE GLOBE WASN'T WARMING any more than it was
COOLING... ought to have made anyone question this group. Seriously, so now you want to argue on behalf of a 'religion' that can't even keep it's name
for 20 years? Climate Change??? What's new there... the climate has ALWAYS changed?!!! LOL
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#Popeforplanet
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bajahowodd | | I've stated it before, and I'll do it again. We have an epidemic of asthma and COPD that is directly related to the increase in carbon emissions..
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Having someone very close with COPD, I would like to see your sources. Would you please furnish a link.
Thanks
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Goat, I am super pro-science... love facts to death. Man-made climate disaster is a HOAX upon intelligent people. You must want to think man is
mightier than Nature, or believe in a powerful, central government to manage every part of your life to be so willing to accept what former
politicians, Hollywood stars, and government paid workers keep pushing on us.
Just the fact that after years of calling it 'Global Warming', they had to rename it... BECAUSE THE GLOBE WASN'T WARMING any more than it was
COOLING... ought to have made anyone question this group. Seriously, so now you want to argue on behalf of a 'religion' that can't even keep it's name
for 20 years? Climate Change??? What's new there... the climate has ALWAYS changed?!!! LOL |
SOS
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It may work this time ...
Had no idea Hitler was so liberal 
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The Best Resource Management IS .................
"Use it Before we Lose It."
There's NO point in giving up something you LIKE just so that somebody you don't KNOW or LIKE can have it instead.
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wessongroup
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Would agree with that point .... provided it applied to one's LIFE ... 
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Would someone please measure the weight of air from inside your room that is using an air purifier.
Then go outside and capture some air and measure the weight of that outside air.
Compare the two weights of the two gaseous elements and report back.
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woody with a view
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has anyone changed anyone else's mind here? NO
is there a snowflakes chance in hell of that happening? NO
close this thread, already!
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