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rts551
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Nope. No toyotas in this list. Glad I have a RAM (they do not make toy trucks) with 21 MPH and 385 HP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobile_manufacture...
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BajaBreak
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1EYyUF6zt0
Relevant part starts at 1:30 ...
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LOL... So, I clicked on "Jeep" from your list at that link (Can't get more American than that brand, right?)...
Here are the first words after JEEP:
Jeep is a brand of American automobiles that is a division of FCA US LLC (formerly Chrysler Group, LLC), a wholly owned subsidiary of
Fiat
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Maybe, just maybe IF American brands built quality products at competitive prices, then they wouldn't need a foreign car company to keep them alive?
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David K
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Funny movie, but probably realistic for many of those born before the 1950s. My dad's last car was a '73 Ford LTD station wagon with the 460 Lincoln
engine. No problem cruising at 90 mph! That was a great car and it even drove to Loerto when it was new, before Hwy. One was finished (~200 unpaved
and 60 ungraded dirt miles).
I think it was soon after 1973 that American brands went to hell and that is the reason for the rise of foreign brand popularity. We didn't prefer to
buy Japanese, but U.S. automakers pushing low quality junk on us gave us no choice.
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I read something recently about Fiat trying to sell off Jeep, Dodge, etc. because it is a mess now. They have millions of recalls that they can't
provide parts for. It would be nice if they could sell Jeep off to someone who would bring it back to it's roots. Sad to see as I am a bit of a Mopar
fan, but their glory days seem to have ended this decade.
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  |
Funny movie, but probably realistic for many of those born before the 1950s. My dad's last car was a '73 Ford LTD station wagon with the 460 Lincoln
engine. No problem cruising at 90 mph! That was a great car and it even drove to Loerto when it was new, before Hwy. One was finished (~200 unpaved
and 60 ungraded dirt miles).
I think it was soon after 1973 that American brands went to hell and that is the reason for the rise of foreign brand popularity. We didn't prefer to
buy Japanese, but U.S. automakers pushing low quality junk on us gave us no choice. |
Hah, that picture is awesome!
Yeah, The whole gas rationing thing in the 1970's was really the downfall of American cars. They really had no idea how to build small economical
cars, so it opened the market for the Japanese manufacturers. It's hard to have brand loyalty if the vehicle doesn't do what it is supposed to, such
as get you from point A to B, safely, and efficiently.
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David K
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Right, but not just about building small cars... We bought a new Jeep Cherokee Chief in 1975, 401 V-8, 12 mpg, and everything failed on that rig, even
the GM Turbo 400 transmission, just out of the 12,000 miles warranty! Quality (specially for a Jeep vehicle) was zero on a scale of 1-10, with 10
being perfect.
May, 1975 at my home near Escondido.
After two years, I sold the Jeep and bought a new Subaru 4WD wagon (for what I sold the Jeep for)... Quality was 10! I remember when I took it in for
its first servicing and the service manager asked me if there were any problems to fix... I was shocked and then I had to think happily and reply
"NO"!
My Jeep was in the shop countless times, and the service manager acted like he hated life and especially Jeep failures. A brand new SUV should not
have: the window crank break, the water pump fail, the rear window motor come off its attachment in the tailgate, the low range lever disconnect from
the transfer case, the transmission fail, etc... When it wasn't broken, it was a joy to four wheel with and would go everywhere I pointed it.
The little Subaru with 13" tires was even more amazing considering it had a 1.6 liter engine and no low range, just went from FWD (front wheel drive)
to 4WD with a pull on the stick... and got 25 mpg. That's when I really amped up my trips to Baja 1977 on.
March, 1978, on Shell Island.
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I've always liked those Cherokee Chief's, but man a TH400 trans should last a lot longer! I guess the 401 v8 had good power. Those Baja roads will
test anything. Funny, I was about to be born while you had your Subaru parked on Shell Island. Cool little rally style car there.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaBreak | | I've always liked those Cherokee Chief's, but man a TH400 trans should last a lot longer! I guess the 401 v8 had good power. Those Baja roads will
test anything. Funny, I was about to be born while you had your Subaru parked on Shell Island. Cool little rally style car there.
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I loved that Jeep, but it didn't love me back!
In with the Subaru Four Wheel Drive Wagon:
Here is my 1977.5 Subaru Wagon pre-running the 1979 Baja 1000, between Calamajué Canyon and El Crucero (I actually began at San Matias Pass and was on
the race course from there south to El Crucero). That was the section I was to drive during the race. We broke down before getting to my part!
It had the "Safari Package" which was white off road wheels, white grille guard, Subaru 4WD stripes. I added the pair of KC Daylighters and a CB
Radio.
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I worked at Jeep in the mid 80's when I was a kid. The V6 Cherokee's were just horrible. Brand new vehicles would leak oil continuously and there
wasn't a fix for it. I spent many days going to customers houses to clean driveways.
One of these customers finally had enough. He pulled into the dealership driveway, pulled out a gas can, poured it all over the Cherokee and lit it on
fire and watched it burn. Crazy site to see!
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The 1975 401 made only 255 HP ( '76 dropped to 215), shouldn't have been enough to take out the tranny.
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Jeep first used the GM baby V-6 in the small Cherokees before using their own (AMC) big inline 6.
The GM tranny was junk, not the AMC small block 401 (yes, it was the biggest small block I think there ever was... same block as the 304 and 360 V-8).
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| Quote: Originally posted by stiladam | I worked at Jeep in the mid 80's when I was a kid. The V6 Cherokee's were just horrible. Brand new vehicles would leak oil continuously and there
wasn't a fix for it. I spent many days going to customers houses to clean driveways.
One of these customers finally had enough. He pulled into the dealership driveway, pulled out a gas can, poured it all over the Cherokee and lit it on
fire and watched it burn. Crazy site to see!
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That is some funny stuff right there! I mean, unless you were one of the people who bought one of those Cherokees. Hahaha
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Jeep first used the GM baby V-6 in the small Cherokees before using their own (AMC) big inline 6.
The GM tranny was junk, not the AMC small block 401 (yes, it was the biggest small block I think there ever was... same block as the 304 and 360 V-8).
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The TH350 and bigger brother th400 were/are not junk. You do realize they powered many an off-road race vehicle? They are considered to be quite
durable. Maybe it was the driver?
http://www.4x4review.com/the-top-10-off-road-transmissions-o...
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Maybe, but not one of my 8 Japanese brand vehicles since (with hundreds of thousands of miles) had any kind of transmission problems, but my Plymouth
mini van in the 90s, had multiple transmission failures... it was a common product failure I would learn. No more fool me twice American brands!
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A race transmission is not a stock unit used in a competitive race car/truck. It is torn down and rebuilt with some better parts added. For some of
the top racers the tranny is rebuilt after so many races especially before the Baja 1000. Only a mom and pop low budget racer would use a tranny out
of the box from the manufacture. Some make it some don't.
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | A race transmission is not a stock unit used in a competitive race car/truck. It is torn down and rebuilt with some better parts added. For some of
the top racers the tranny is rebuilt after so many races especially before the Baja 1000. Only a mom and pop low budget racer would use a tranny out
of the box from the manufacture. Some make it some don't. |
Are you trying to tell us that stock TH400 trans. are junk as DK says??
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rts551
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Point is TMW, Many would disagree with our experts's statement that "THe GM tranny was junk, ". including the magazine that I posted.
"Only a mom and pop ...." YES I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK... SO.
David. The GM turbo 400 didn't not come in a Plymouth.
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I didn't notice any japanese transmissions on that list.....but if Kman has hundreds of thousands of grueling shell island miles with no issues....how
can you argue?
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| Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | | I didn't notice any japanese transmissions on that list.....but if Kman has hundreds of thousands of grueling shell island miles with no issues....how
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Because he is on his third Toyota and I believe second Subaru to claim those miles.
TMW has more on one truck......even if it is a Toyota.
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