Well John the 'models' show we won't get much past 60,000 of your point. Not 250,000 fake news.
That's speculation, we're only two months into this, with no prior experience. Alcohol related deaths have been tracked for years. 250,00 is not
fake news, it's just a simple extrapolation of existing data over the last two months. A complete (and successful) ban on alcohol would radically
alter your DD numbers as well. Social isolation is a similar tactic geared toward lowering CV deaths and not overwhelming our healthcare services.
Local DD penalties, local alcohol bans, and social isolation orders are examples of "police powers" that are in the Constitution. Closing the beaches
is sadly, Constitutional. I don't like it either, but I respect our Constitution. Bring a case to the Supreme Court if you can.
Okay, let's divide 72,000 by 6 (12,000) and compare that to the two months of coronavirus deaths (42,000). Two months versus two months. Fair
enough?
42,000 versus 12,000. Again, almost a factor of 4. It took far less drunk driving deaths to drastically increase DD penalties and bring about the
creation of MADD. I remember when drunk driving was pretty much seen as not that big of a deal, don't you? Cops used to even drive people home that
they found drunk driving, depending on who you were. My dad had a rich rancher friend who frequently got driven home by the sheriff's department.
That's still probably true to some extent even today, but we all know a DD charge is serious, more serious than in the past. As it should be.
Update: Just went to Chedraui, prepared with all prophylactic paraphernalia. As I approached the door a line of Gandmas each engaged el Jovencito door
man in the same discussion I have been. Que You want me to trust a young person with my health, and you don't believe that I am managing my health
correctly enough to be able to leave my house so I need to have you Jovencito manage my health, nope that makes no sense, but feel free to return to
my car with me to review the disinfectants I carry and I'll show that I use them, but I will not allow you Joven to spray some unknown unlabeled
chemical on me, or I can leave and go somewhere else. Estas loco?
Joven Door man: No mam, please excuse me, apologize, I trust in your ability it is just an offering, we tried to require it and it didn't work, and we
respect you Mam and would like you to enter, please. May I offer chemical spray to anyone else, mmm no okay come on in todos, have a great day? Hola
senior, buen did, se que cuides bien, guapo, bievenido.
Its whole new day and things are opening all over, and calming down, with reason, at the same time the government announced the certainty that the
pandemic will increase exponentially overnight in phase 3! And mass deaths will occur!
Inside Chedraui, there are many vegetables at 3, 4, 5, mn pesos a kilo, or .08-.20 us cents for 2.2 lbs of fresh veggies. Beer is $2.50 a sixer. You
can fill a shopping cart with fresh food for 30 people to eat for $25US. Anyone who isn't enjoying a complex diet of the freshest most healthy foods
now, has no one to blame.
Gasoline is 13-15 peso a liter for premium in La Paz, or about $2.30 a gallon, though ranges in price quite a bit in pueblos. zzz
9,500 coronavirus confirmed deaths in NYC, plus 4500 suspected deaths. This is in 3 months only.
4800 death of flu in the same NYC in entire year 2018.
Illustrative cognitive dissonance when your pre-existing bias isn't met by validated data, versus main stream Neo-liberal morbid pandemic narrative.
Since, we now have so much more accurate data, we can show that to a point, there was no accurate data until late last week, yet, paranoid, fear
mongering reached peak hypocritical nonsense, with Neo-liberal illiterates screaming we must lock ourselves up and imprison anyone walking across a
lonely field or beach, and revert to mumbling "Oooorange Mmman Bbbad, and beg for an untested vaccine, as our savior.
What does that tell us about meme psychological fear porn viruses ability to lock up the brain from logic, rhetoric, grammar, critical thinking,
cognition, as though it is frozen in time? Interesting, and one wonders why the Fauci and Gates ilk don't succeed every single time to destroy the
entire economy, humanity and entice self-inflicted tyranny.
Goat you mad bro? Everyone here is more healthy and appears younger. We grow our own food, we eat well, fresh foods, locally sourced, every day is
better and better, with clarity there is NO pandemic, we are not young, but we are happy and we share our tranquil, joy, peace and love for community
with everyone. Peace to you! Be blessed and enjoy this beautiful day and evening.
Everyone here is more healthy and appears younger.l
You crack me up!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
What if the number of Coronavirus cases is not accurate and is actually exaggerated by many times? What if the estimates are based on a flawed
computer model? What if the developer of the model has so admitted? What if the death certificates are being modified to show more Coronavirus related
deaths than actually exist? What if people who were already dying of serious conditions like heart disease or diabetes or COPD are now being counted
as Coronavirus deaths because of the supposed presence of Coronavirus at the time of death? What if hospitals are assuming people have Coronavirus
just because they exhibit one or more symptoms, like a cough or fever, even though no actual lab testing is performed (presumptive diagnosis)?
What if the CDC is as wrong about this virus as they were about Swine flu in 1976, or since then the Bird flu, or HIV or SARS or MERS? What if the
Swine Flu Vaccine injured more people than the Swine Flu itself and the program had to be stopped? What if you found out that Fauci had very large
financial ties to the Pharma agenda to provide vaccines, and that is why he is not mentioning any possible way to treat the flu except vaccines? What
if Fauci has close financial connections to Bill (the computer and vaccine salesman) Gates? What if natural immunity from a virus entering your system
through the throat is far superior to a synthetic chemical c-cktail called a vaccine shot into your body with a needle? What if the alleged COVID-19
deaths were mostly people who were already dying? What if your best defense against all viruses was a healthy immune system? What if inexpensive
things like vitamins A, C and D3 could boost your immune system? What if Zinc and Selenium were important to immune health? What if the people who
play doctors on TV never mention the importance of vitamins and minerals?
What if “social distancing” really does not stop you from getting the virus, but only slows down the transfer of the virus through the population?
What if slowing down the transfer of the virus, is just another way of prolonging the life of the virus and the ‘crisis’ and the ‘panic’ and
the control of our lives? What if wearing masks does not really stop the virus? What if the virus can enter through your eyes and ears, which are
connected to your mouth and throat? What if the virus is simply a seasonal flu, just like every other year, and the crisis is a drastic exaggeration,
to intentionally create a panic? What if there really is nothing to fear but fear itself?
What if the FED and the Treasury are bailing out major corporations and banks to the tune of trillions of taxpayer backed fiat dollars, but it’s
being called a Corona Virus Remediation package? What if you get a $1,200 check, but then your share of the total bailout debt is 10 or 100 times
higher? What if the FED is destroying the value and purchasing power of your dollars and savings and retirement plans, by printing trillions of more
money that only benefit the rich and well connected? What if all of our financial markets are rigged? What if the stock market was about to crash on
its own, but the crash is being falsely blamed on the virus?
What if you stopped watching television, and actually started questioning the mainstream reports and did some research for yourself on the internet?
What if you found out that there are many credible people and organizations that are questioning the mainstream reports? What if we are being lied to?
What if the lies are intentional? What if certain people are going to gain financially from this crisis? What if there are people who will gain power
over us from the crisis? What if you went to Youtube and looked up the following people and listened to the information they have about the ‘alleged
crisis’ we are now enduring?
What if their names were DR Ron Paul, and he was calling for Fauci to be fired? Dr John Bergman? Dr Sherry Tenpenny? Dr Joseph Mercola? Dr Bruce
Lipton? Dr David Brownstein? Albert E. Carter? Investigative journalists Robert Scott Bell or Del Bigtree or Bill Sardi or Daisy Luther or Lew
Rockwell or Jack Kerwick or Jon Rappoport? Or economists and philosophers Doug Casey or Peter Schiff or Catherine Austin Fitz or Dr Greg Mannarino or
Max Keiser or Lynette Zang or Larken Rose? What if these people and many others had important information about what’s really happening in America
and the world that you are not hearing on television or radio programs? What if these people could help you be healthier? Or less fearful? Or happier?
Or more Free?
What if we are being bamboozled? What if our nation is being looted while we are staying home and watching the daily fear porn on TV? What if it’s
all a clever distraction? What if the remaining freedoms and rights we didn’t lose after 911 are being stolen from us today in broad daylight? What
if our natural rights are being attacked and we are doing nothing to defend them? What if the virus is not our real enemy? What if we are so busy
being obedient little sheep that we will wake up too late? What if when we wake up, the America we love is nowhere to be found? What if in the future,
when you are old, and the children ask you what you were doing when the Greatest Depression began in 2019 and the Constitution died an ugly death, and
all you can tell them is that you were hiding at home from a flu virus and watching reruns of Gilligan’s Island?
What if this has been around longer than first thought and was Only noticed when multiple deaths occurred? “A Disaster is a terrible thing to
waste!”
Below is a news report from the SFO area stating that the 1st death from the Wuhan virus has been pushed back to February 6th! With person to person
transmission even earlier.
Well John the 'models' show we won't get much past 60,000 of your point. Not 250,000 fake news.
That's speculation, we're only two months into this, with no prior experience. Alcohol related deaths have been tracked for years. 250,00 is not
fake news, it's just a simple extrapolation of existing data over the last two months. A complete (and successful) ban on alcohol would radically
alter your DD numbers as well. Social isolation is a similar tactic geared toward lowering CV deaths and not overwhelming our healthcare services.
Local DD penalties, local alcohol bans, and social isolation orders are examples of "police powers" that are in the Constitution. Closing the beaches
is sadly, Constitutional. I don't like it either, but I respect our Constitution. Bring a case to the Supreme Court if you can.
Okay, let's divide 72,000 by 6 (12,000) and compare that to the two months of coronavirus deaths (42,000). Two months versus two months. Fair
enough?
42,000 versus 12,000. Again, almost a factor of 4. It took far less drunk driving deaths to drastically increase DD penalties and bring about the
creation of MADD. I remember when drunk driving was pretty much seen as not that big of a deal, don't you? Cops used to even drive people home that
they found drunk driving, depending on who you were. My dad had a rich rancher friend who frequently got driven home by the sheriff's department.
That's still probably true to some extent even today, but we all know a DD charge is serious, more serious than in the past. As it should be.
John
[Edited on 4-22-2020 by John Harper]
I think the difference in our perspectives John is that you have a view encased within the parameters of a small time span...for me that is not enough
time to garner a decision to shut down an entire nation/world. It is enough information to convince people that they need to be directed to submit to
powers that are (recent) historically self serving (i.e. Tyranny). This not confined to one political entity or the other, fairly.
As time brings a broader perspective we find such as this;
“On Tuesday, Santa Clara County Public Health officials announced that an autopsy revealed a patient died of the virus, which originated in China,
on February 6, roughly three weeks prior to the first U.S. confirmed COVID-19 death in Washington State on February 29…
Though the methodologies were called into question, a recent anti-body test study by Stanford University showed that the corona virus cases in Santa
Clara County were 50 to 85 times higher than officials initially speculated.
“At the time of the study, Santa Clara County had 1,094 confirmed cases of COVID-19, resulting in 50 deaths,” reported The Guardian. “But based
on the rate of participants who have antibodies, the study estimates it is likely that between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa
Clara county by early April.”
“That also means corona virus is potentially much less deadly to the overall population than initially thought,” it continued. “As of Tuesday,
the US’s corona virus death rate was 4.1% and Stanford researchers said their findings show a death rate of just 0.12% to 0.2%.”
I don't call this the final word on the outcome of this virus, but the point is that, in my thoughts, we have based great actions on limited
information which has led to some poor outcomes. One being the establishment of regulated liberties based on possibly nefarious motives, such as "This
is a time to advance our progressive agenda"...Gov. Newsom (echoed by other political entities as well) https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/california-governor-gav...
@49:22
As I said before, Cuomo's statement of 'if it saves one life it is worth it' can be applied to most all cases of death. Is that the standard we want
to base the governments/political will upon? Tyranny can't be that easy...unless we are.
As I said before, Cuomo's statement of 'if it saves one life it is worth it' can be applied to most all cases of death. Is that the standard we want
to base the governments/political will upon? Tyranny can't be that easy...unless we are.
I guess the Marines and SEAL's concept of "leave no man behind" is just as silly? These guys risk their lives to retrieve dead bodies. Is that
stupid as well?
Isn't that concept the same as what drives the anti-abortion forces? That every unborn fetus/child is worth saving?
What price do you want us to put on human lives? Does the economy become more important after an "arbitrary" loss of life? What number do you think
is appropriate against what burden?
As I said before, Cuomo's statement of 'if it saves one life it is worth it' can be applied to most all cases of death. Is that the standard we want
to base the governments/political will upon? Tyranny can't be that easy...unless we are.
I guess the Marines and SEAL's concept of "leave no man behind" is just as silly? These guys risk their lives to retrieve dead bodies. Is that
stupid as well?
Isn't that concept the same as what drives the anti-abortion forces? That every unborn fetus/child is worth saving?
What price do you want us to put on human lives? Does the economy become more important after an "arbitrary" loss of life? What number do you think
is appropriate against what burden?
John
It's not about numbers for me John...It's about wielding a discriminate opportunity to establish a standard of tyranny.
Never has a particular opportunity been the standard of completely reversing the liberties of the populace in this country. There was great outcry
over Nixon's supposed institution of Martial Law during the Vietnam protests ('chaos' that it caused).
To so easily dictate as criminal, basic freedom of movement that is Constitutional no matter what you declare, is offense just on the ease that it is
done.
And it is sad that everything the government does is to be brought before a Constitutional question in court is sad these days. This probably because
we don't teach Constitution in education or worse teach a bastardized view of it. We should teach it in the streets much as what Nixon railed
against...our Constitutional right to do so.
gnukid, peeps with your way of thinking are about to open several states in the USA. Many will die. Same happened with the Spanish flu. Some of us
learn from history, some are blind and ignorant.
gnukid, peeps with your way of thinking are about to open several states in the USA. Many will die. Same happened with the Spanish flu. Some of us
learn from history, some are blind and ignorant.
gnukid, peeps with your way of thinking are about to open several states in the USA. Many will die. Same happened with the Spanish flu. Some of us
learn from history, some are blind and ignorant.
The dogma subscribed to by these folks come in a package like a cable tv account.
Climate denial, pro war [as long as they don't have to participate] , anti environment protections, buybull thumping, oversized flags, 2nd
amendment causes, racist policies....i could go on...
Serology Study on actual COVID-19 infection and recovery rates in a population. This is one of the few data sets we have on actual infection rates of
the virus, in addition to the Boston study and the Diamond Princess analysis.
gnukid, peeps with your way of thinking are about to open several states in the USA. Many will die. Same happened with the Spanish flu. Some of us
learn from history, some are blind and ignorant.
Really? 1918? Just like 1918?
Do you live your life like 1918?
That's the big threat? Just like 1918?
It won't even be like this next year.
Get a grip.
Already being predicted for winter.
Build up anti-bodies now
Plenty of Respirators now
Plenty of facial masks now
Testing improving and growing now
Vaccine research underway now
Hospitals Empty now (NY sending boat away)
People educated now
Ya think we have a little more headsup going into next winter?
And we have months to prepare.
This isn't 1918 anymore.
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