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surfhat
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How much better does that brew taste when it is waited for after a drive?
Why dilute [?] the driving experience when it tastes so fine after the driving is done, and a second round is no concern.
To each his own.
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Lee
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Needed assistance in changing a RV tire at Maranatha in La Paz and the office called a shop for me.
Middle age chubby MX shows up reeking of alcohol, while holding a ballena. Everything worked out but had my doubts early on.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Jack Swords
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Rolled my Tacoma outside of La Paz. Police called towtruck (after solicitring "tip". Had to stop on the way to Todos Santos (home) for the bathroom,
including several beers (on me of course). Made it OK, truck was totaled, me OK.
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vandy
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I just saw an entertaining short video about a dystopian future nanny state.
One of the first few scenes is having to start your car with a breathalyzer.
I immediately thought of this thread.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8
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SFandH
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"Omeleto - The World's Best Short Films"
Looks like an interesting youtube channel.
Thanks
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John Harper
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We already have:
Backup cameras and sensors
Automatic braking and parking systems.
Seatbelt alarms
Door Ajar alarms
Airbag sensors for children
Brake pedal/transmission interlocks
Clutch interlocks (autos and motos)
Kickstand switch interlocks (motos)
Bank Angle Sensor interlocks (motos)
What's the big deal about blowing into a sensor on your steering wheel?
I don't see anyone crying "nanny state" about any of the above safety/convenience features.
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
John
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by John Harper]
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AKgringo
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John, your left shoulder is blocking my view of your screen! Could you move a little to the right so I can read your text before you post it?
Thanks for being a good citizen and not resisting!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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mtgoat666
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I love adaptive cruise control. I am eagerly awaiting autonomous self-driving car. I also look forward to day that smart cars refuse to move for
drunks (or trump voters)  
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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JZ
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Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  | We already have:
Backup cameras and sensors
Automatic braking and parking systems.
Seatbelt alarms
Door Ajar alarms
Airbag sensors for children
Brake pedal/transmission interlocks
Clutch interlocks (autos and motos)
Kickstand switch interlocks (motos)
Bank Angle Sensor interlocks (motos)
What's the big deal about blowing into a sensor on your steering wheel?
I don't see anyone crying "nanny state" about any of the above safety/convenience features.
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
John
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by John Harper] |
My bikes don't do any of that sh#t. Why you libs want the govt. to control every aspect of your lives is beyond me.
There is a reason why some teach instead of facing the real world.
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by JZ]
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
My bikes don't do any of that sh#t. Why you libs want the govt. to control every aspect of your lives is beyond me.
There is a reason why some teach instead of facing the real world.
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by JZ] |
You just can't keep from insulting people who hold opposing beliefs?
Your bikes don't have those features because you don't have a street legal bike ... and that's because you are afraid of riding on the street. What
about those features on your truck.... you don't use your seatbelts?
John is in the profession that educated your kids.... you don't respect them?
Putz ....
Don't believe everything you think....
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | We already have:
Backup cameras and sensors
Automatic braking and parking systems.
Seatbelt alarms
Door Ajar alarms
Airbag sensors for children
Brake pedal/transmission interlocks
Clutch interlocks (autos and motos)
Kickstand switch interlocks (motos)
Bank Angle Sensor interlocks (motos)
What's the big deal about blowing into a sensor on your steering wheel?
I don't see anyone crying "nanny state" about any of the above safety/convenience features.
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
John
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by John Harper] |
All of these safety features prevent ACCIDENTS from happening or decrease the severity of injury if an accident happens.
You can be the most careful person in the world and still get nailed by an impaired/distracted driver running a red light or stop sign.
It's ironic that selling points of the new all-electric cars are their high horsepower and the ability to accelerate to 60 mph in a few seconds. Speed
kills.
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by SFandH]
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | We already have:
Backup cameras and sensors
Automatic braking and parking systems.
Seatbelt alarms
Door Ajar alarms
Airbag sensors for children
Brake pedal/transmission interlocks
Clutch interlocks (autos and motos)
Kickstand switch interlocks (motos)
Bank Angle Sensor interlocks (motos)
What's the big deal about blowing into a sensor on your steering wheel?
I don't see anyone crying "nanny state" about any of the above safety/convenience features.
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
John
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by John Harper] |
My bikes don't do any of that sh#t. Why you libs want the govt. to control every aspect of your lives is beyond me.
There is a reason why some teach instead of facing the real world.
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by JZ] |
JZ, you make a valid point.
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BajaMama
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Mood: Got Baja fever!!
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | We already have:
Backup cameras and sensors
Automatic braking and parking systems.
Seatbelt alarms
Door Ajar alarms
Airbag sensors for children
Brake pedal/transmission interlocks
Clutch interlocks (autos and motos)
Kickstand switch interlocks (motos)
Bank Angle Sensor interlocks (motos)
What's the big deal about blowing into a sensor on your steering wheel?
I don't see anyone crying "nanny state" about any of the above safety/convenience features.
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
John
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by John Harper] |
My bikes don't do any of that sh#t. Why you libs want the govt. to control every aspect of your lives is beyond me.
There is a reason why some teach instead of facing the real world.
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by JZ] |
It is called a social contract. If you choose to live among other humans, you consent to governance. It isn't a liberal or conservative issue - it
is a money issue. You drive drunk and kill 8 people you're going to get sued for millions. Hospital expenses will be astronomical Insurance rates
and health expenses go up for everyone. Make drunk driving illegal (.08% +) and it keeps costs down for everyone. All laws are passed for monetary
reasons and to protect us from the 1/2 that have below average intelligence and make stupid decisions that affect others.
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | We already have:
Backup cameras and sensors
Automatic braking and parking systems.
Seatbelt alarms
Door Ajar alarms
Airbag sensors for children
Brake pedal/transmission interlocks
Clutch interlocks (autos and motos)
Kickstand switch interlocks (motos)
Bank Angle Sensor interlocks (motos)
What's the big deal about blowing into a sensor on your steering wheel?
I don't see anyone crying "nanny state" about any of the above safety/convenience features.
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
John
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by John Harper] |
All of these safety features prevent ACCIDENTS from happening or decrease the severity of injury if an accident happens.
You can be the most careful person in the world and still get nailed by an impaired/distracted driver running a red light or stop sign.
It's ironic that selling points of the new all-electric cars are their high horsepower and the ability to accelerate to 60 mph in a few seconds. Speed
kills.
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by SFandH] |
My reluctance to support some of these new safety regulations and devices comes from two points:
1) faulty safety related interlocks that disable a vehicles operation when you are in a remote location
2) increasingly expensive costs to keep these newly equipped vehicles on the road leading to far more rapid replacement which costs both the
environment, leads to far quicker global warming and the average person's pocketbook
My choice for an electric vehicle would be because it has far fewer climate related consequences and far better durability to keep those climate
savings at a maximum. Greater speed is a consequence of much higher efficiencies for the same energy input.
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JDCanuck
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When you get one of these disabling devices preventing operation of a vehicle in a remote location due to poor ground, P-nched wire, etc., how do you
safely override it to get out of there?
This happened to our SUV, doors all locked and power steering disabled all due to a bad ground on the body control computer. My wife is now trapped
in car and heading to a curve with very difficult steering. Only solution was shutting off engine to avoid a dangerous situation.
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by JDCanuck]
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by JDCanuck]
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | We already have:
Backup cameras and sensors
Automatic braking and parking systems.
Seatbelt alarms
Door Ajar alarms
Airbag sensors for children
Brake pedal/transmission interlocks
Clutch interlocks (autos and motos)
Kickstand switch interlocks (motos)
Bank Angle Sensor interlocks (motos)
What's the big deal about blowing into a sensor on your steering wheel?
I don't see anyone crying "nanny state" about any of the above safety/convenience features.
Driving is a privilege, not a right.
John
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by John Harper] |
My bikes don't do any of that sh#t. Why you libs want the govt. to control every aspect of your lives is beyond me.
There is a reason why some teach instead of facing the real world.
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by JZ] |
It is called a social contract. If you choose to live among other humans, you consent to governance. It isn't a liberal or conservative issue - it
is a money issue. You drive drunk and kill 8 people you're going to get sued for millions. Hospital expenses will be astronomical Insurance rates
and health expenses go up for everyone. Make drunk driving illegal (.08% +) and it keeps costs down for everyone. All laws are passed for monetary
reasons and to protect us from the 1/2 that have below average intelligence and make stupid decisions that affect others. |
Bajamama- Social Contract is a theory. Most people are unaware of it. Its mere existence does not imply its validity.
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JDCanuck
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Perhaps there is a place for disabling sensors in cases where someone has been caught drinking and driving. (isn't this already in place?) But to
design them into every vehicle out there seems to me to be full of possible negative unwanted results.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Perhaps there is a place for disabling sensors in cases where someone has been caught drinking and driving. (isn't this already in place?) But to
design them into every vehicle out there seems to me to be full of possible negative unwanted results. |
Correct
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
Bajamama- Social Contract is a theory. Most people are unaware of it. Its mere existence does not imply its validity. |
Lack of awareness doesn't make it invalid. 
"Social Contract Theory
Social contract theory says that people live together in society in accordance with an agreement that establishes moral and political rules of
behavior. Some people believe that if we live according to a social contract, we can live morally by our own choice and not because a divine being
requires it.
Over the centuries, philosophers as far back as Socrates have tried to describe the ideal social contract, and to explain how existing social
contracts have evolved. Philosopher Stuart Rachels suggests that morality is the set of rules governing behavior that rational people accept, on the
condition that others accept them too.
Social contracts can be explicit, such as laws, or implicit, such as raising one’s hand in class to speak. The U.S. Constitution is often cited as
an explicit example of part of America’s social contract. It sets out what the government can and cannot do. People who choose to live in America
agree to be governed by the moral and political obligations outlined in the Constitution’s social contract.
Indeed, regardless of whether social contracts are explicit or implicit, they provide a valuable framework for harmony in society."
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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JDCanuck
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
Bajamama- Social Contract is a theory. Most people are unaware of it. Its mere existence does not imply its validity. |
Lack of awareness doesn't make it invalid.
"Social Contract Theory
Social contract theory says that people live together in society in accordance with an agreement that establishes moral and political rules of
behavior. Some people believe that if we live according to a social contract, we can live morally by our own choice and not because a divine being
requires it.
Over the centuries, philosophers as far back as Socrates have tried to describe the ideal social contract, and to explain how existing social
contracts have evolved. Philosopher Stuart Rachels suggests that morality is the set of rules governing behavior that rational people accept, on the
condition that others accept them too.
Social contracts can be explicit, such as laws, or implicit, such as raising one’s hand in class to speak. The U.S. Constitution is often cited as
an explicit example of part of America’s social contract. It sets out what the government can and cannot do. People who choose to live in America
agree to be governed by the moral and political obligations outlined in the Constitution’s social contract.
Indeed, regardless of whether social contracts are explicit or implicit, they provide a valuable framework for harmony in society."
[Edited on 8-9-2021 by motoged] |
And so more and more people look to leave the centers of civilization in the bigger cities and more restrictive States and seek out a simpler less
restrictive life in places like the Baja, Florida, Texas and Utah
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