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shari
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this is a report from Pta.Chivato i just received...
Phones out. mulege worse than john.ALL houses flooded in chivato.. road out. new bridge out on hiway. No water,main house valves left open have
resulted in pilas being drained as exterior water lines are cut by erosion or debris. Acostas, roof damage, plywood blown off windows. Aselin roof
severe damage,windows caved in,palapas destroyed. Severe beach erosion. Bowers house OK, boat OK. cox, minor damage. Jones some roof eaves blown off
house. holes in garage roof. Ian,trailer moved 3-4ft,deck gone. Dykyne, master, kitchen windows blown in. Carl,very extensive damage,to all of
compound. Jaime extensive roof damage. big D bedroom flooded, doors blown in. Sicks seem OK, Wade, no damage. Woods,eaves blown off,palapa destroyed.
Wales, heavy retaining wall damage ,collapsed. Tonini, outside kitchen(?)windows blown in. Sparky may not have made it, Beppo OK. Navarra,heavy beach
erosion, some roof damage. Becks, windows blown in. cavanaughs destroyed.Jorge windows blown in, flooded. Moranville, minor fence damage. Heavy damage
to majority of houses on shell beach.
PLEASE think carefully before you come...right now you cannot get here, there is not enough food or water,you can do nothing for your places. plan on
ten days or so if you MUST come. You could make things worse if you don't think it through
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DENNIS
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Not to detract from any budding effort to give assistance, this scenario is recurrent. More so recently. When all is said and done after Jimena,
an effort to stockpile and plan for future events should be given serious consideration. To organize and implement a plan after the storm has struck
is chaos but, we'll do what we can do.
The future of effective assistance is in our hands.
More later. Lots to think about today.
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baja-spirit
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thanks for letting us know Shari.... We have a house in Punta chivato..
the Jorge house that has windows blown in might be ours. There are a couple of George's there.. This is just making us sick....Russ said he would get
back to me as soon as he gets out and looks around...
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shari
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you know I will help with whatever I can...but as far as me setting up a fund...problem is that here i have no access to banks to move money around
and wouldnt know where to begin...who to help first???? we are a bit isolated for that perhaps but I'm open to suggestions.
I may be able to open a paypal account...but sure wouldnt want to be responsible for administering funds...leaves me open to alot of crap if ya know
what I mean....but as I said...I will listen to ideas.
If people want to fly down supplies, they can drop them and then stay here if needed...we werent affected at all and have all services etc...but gas
will run out as the highway is closed so tankers cant get in...we have all our jerry cans full right now.
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Gadget
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Re: reliefe funds. We assisted souls in Mulege after Hurricane John through the Rotarios and Jimmy Christopher. We aided physically with the
Bomberos for a week. Stayed at the Fodors place at Chivato so as to not impact service in town. Sounds like they got hit bad there on this one.
I can't get away for a week like last time but will be praying and sending funds.
Water 2 meters higher than John at bridge???? Good Lord I pray that is not correct!!! I want that to read river level 2 meters higher than normal at
bridge.
"Mankind will not be judged by their faults, but by the direction of their lives." Leo Giovinetti
See you in Baja
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
you know I will help with whatever I can... |
It's a lot to ask, Shari and truthfully, it's hard to know what to ask. So far, you've been a trooper. Just do what you can and see my post above
about future events.
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LancairDriver
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From the Baja Bush Pilots site.
Mid-Baja has suffered major damage. We are getting “real time” reports from different sources including people on the ground in the damage areas as
well as the Mexican Red Cross. It is not good. The reports that we have indicate:
Matancitas (Lopez Mateos) Almost 90% of the structures are down or severely damaged. All water, power, telephone, etc. out
Ciudad Constitucion: Most roofs are gone; sever damage to 70% of the buildings. Power, water, telephones are out
Loreto: All power / telephone are down, lines are down, trees and buildings blocking the streets, airport is closed at this time.
Mulege: All power, telephone, water, etc. is out. The water crested three feet above the bridge. Water was two feet deep in the fire station which
would mean that almost of the entire town was flooded. There has been reports of loss of life.
Punta Chivato: One person indicates that the wind was over 100 mph before the indicator broke. Damage to almost everything. We should hear about
the condition of the strip sometime today
Santa Rosalia: Wall of water came down the canyon and through the town, washed cars, etc. into the ocean.
The Red Cross has been in contact with us today, they are still in the process of determining their needs however, they indicate that they will need
our help.
We will be putting out another alert for donations as well as where they are needed. I have taken the position that we will not be bringing things
down unless there is a structured means of distributing them. With Hurricane John, I have to estimate that about half of the donations ended up with
people that really did not need them.
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Eugenio
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Our thoughts and prayers go out to the people of Mulege and Baja Sur.
We have good friens there.
Does anyone know how long after the storm the river in Mulege will peak? Thanks.
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lindsay
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Thanks for your posting & I will be happy to help with any donation efforts once it's set up...Mulege is my second home & my daughter has big
group of relatives there so we are happy to help when the efforts start to get organized...thanks again
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jls
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How about the churches...they often organize relief efforts?
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LancairDriver
From the Baja Bush Pilots site.
I have taken the position that we will not be bringing things down unless there is a structured means of distributing them. With Hurricane John, I
have to estimate that about half of the donations ended up with people that really did not need them. |
The Bush Pilots seem like the way to go since so many roads are closed and they can get to the more isolated places.
I really understand wanting to see things distributed properly---have seen it before where donations did not go to their intended recipient.
I would think that the local priests might be a good place to start?????
Keep us posted as to what is happening. Thanks
Diane
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austriaco
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I just received the followimg email:
Hola Posadans,
I just spoke to Jim Christopher who was able to get thru, this morning to Quito in Mulege. I am very sorry to report that it appears that Mulege and
the surrounding area has suffered a disaster of major proportions. Last night flood waters actually breached the main bridge by about 2ft. Remember
that in the last major storm, I think it was Juan, the water came up to about 2ft under the bridge which did alot of damage all over town particularly
along the river. Quito tells us that there is about 1 mt (little less than 3ft) of water in the fire station and that the roof blew off. Both he and
his sons vehicles where distroyed. If there was that much water in the fire station just think what that means for the rest of town. Maybe 3 ft of
water in Scotty's el candil ? It will be a major miracle if there is no loss of life in Mulege.
I am worried about the Apples. Jim's last post was yesterday afternoon but nothing since.
Jimmy will try and get in touch with Quito tomorrow morning for another report. I will do my best to update you sometime tomorrow. I am at the
Power's home in Montana at the moment but I'm headed back to the SF bay area this morning.
Feel free to forward this to anyone you think might be interested.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
The Bush Pilots seem like the way to go since so many roads are closed and they can get to the more isolated places.
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That makes sense. What about the new regulations against importation of goods? Material from nort of the border will be subjected to rigorous
taxation.
As far as building supplies are concerned, they are all available below the border and ground shipping to points south is available.
Just a thought.
Oh yeah...about those priests. Maybe they should be left in charge of the repairation of souls..and I don't mean the ones on the bottom of their
Gucci zapatos.
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Beachgirl
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Last year we looked like the Grapes of Wrath truck heading to Mulege after Julio, crammed full of replacement stuff. We just said it was for our home
because of the storm. No questions, no inspection. Don't know about these new guys. Believe me, they will be getting a huge ration of crap from any
of us for sure if they try to pull the tax thing after this storm. You can bet those boys and their families have taken a really bit hit, too. Doubt
there will be a problem.
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CaboMagic
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Started a separate thread entitled Bob and Susan in Mulege so that if they do get internet access that would alleviate the need to read thru pages and
pages of this thread.
Following is the note:
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If you are able to access this and have a cel phone plz send to us. Or if anyone has that info please U2U.
Re: Tonearts comment - which is indicative of what a giver he is - If Bob & Susan are willing to be the recipient of and fund appropriator, we
offer to coordinate paypal and wire of donations.
We respectfully offer thoughts and prayers ...
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In HJohn time, we collected nearly $3K in donations and matched that with our own funds .. Tommy got cooperation from local govt officials and used
trucks to deliver water and staples to outlying areas. Purchased an additional $3K in necessity items (sundries and clothing) at Target Stores and
BajaPak'd to Bruce when he lived in Mulege and he distributed ..
As Shari notes its tough to do from South .. that is why we offer to handle coordination of funds to Bob in Mulege if he's up to it .. if someone has
an alternative idea please let us know. We wire funds from USA to CSL at least once every week ..
Shari if you have the ability to receive funds from US we can get it to you .. again, if you are willing to take that on ...
Will be away from computer for approx 2 hours will check back in then.
Can U2U or send e direct tommyandlori"AT"cabomagic.com
Have already received several emails of offers to donate so all we need is the one to receive and distribute 'there'.
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bajajudy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
you know I will help with whatever I can...but as far as me setting up a fund...problem is that here i have no access to banks to move money around
and wouldnt know where to begin...who to help first???? we are a bit isolated for that perhaps but I'm open to suggestions.
I may be able to open a paypal account...but sure wouldnt want to be responsible for administering funds...leaves me open to alot of crap if ya know
what I mean....but as I said...I will listen to ideas.
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I am not really in a position to handle this either. And I think that I am too far away to do any "on the ground" arrangements.
BUT I see that Cabo Magic has stepped up to the plate and they are very experienced in this sort of effort. THANX you guys!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Beachgirl
Doubt there will be a problem. |
Relief/charity can be detained at the border indefinitly. They don't turn a kind eye to that sort of thing from the US. In fact, they prefer to see
it as an insult. "How dare you North Americans imply that we wont or can't take care of ourselves."
Believe me, this is the prevalent attitude.
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toneart
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Regarding a relief fund for Mulege:
It is too early to know how to disburse funds, but not too early to set up one so as to be ready for when the picture becomes clearer. For now,
collect and hold. The need is overwhelming!
I am in touch with a Rotarian of Mulege who is not there right now. This person feels strongly that they are the ones to best decide how to distribute
the money. Right now Jim Christopher has his hands full. It will take a massive, coordinating effort and should not be a scatter shot.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboMagic
Started a separate thread entitled Bob and Susan in Mulege so that if they do get internet access that would alleviate the need to read thru pages and
pages of this thread.
Following is the note:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If you are able to access this and have a cel phone plz send to us. Or if anyone has that info please U2U.
Re: Tonearts comment - which is indicative of what a giver he is - If Bob & Susan are willing to be the recipient of and fund appropriator, we
offer to coordinate paypal and wire of donations.
We respectfully offer thoughts and prayers ...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
In HJohn time, we collected nearly $3K in donations and matched that with our own funds .. Tommy got cooperation from local govt officials and used
trucks to deliver water and staples to outlying areas. Purchased an additional $3K in necessity items (sundries and clothing) at Target Stores and
BajaPak'd to Bruce when he lived in Mulege and he distributed ..
As Shari notes its tough to do from South .. that is why we offer to handle coordination of funds to Bob in Mulege if he's up to it .. if someone has
an alternative idea please let us know. We wire funds from USA to CSL at least once every week ..
Shari if you have the ability to receive funds from US we can get it to you .. again, if you are willing to take that on ...
Will be away from computer for approx 2 hours will check back in then.
Can U2U or send e direct tommyandlori"AT"cabomagic.com
Have already received several emails of offers to donate so all we need is the one to receive and distribute 'there'. |
Sounds good, one question---how do you decide what goes where---which town, which area, etc. and in the outlying areas, who distributes the items?
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toneart
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Regarding a relief fund for Mulege:
It is too early to know how to disburse funds, but not too early to set up one so as to be ready for when the picture becomes clearer. For now,
collect and hold. The need is overwhelming!
I am in touch with a Rotarian of Mulege who is not there right now. This person feels strongly that they are the ones to best decide how to distribute
the money. Right now Jim Christopher has his hands full. It will take a massive, coordinating effort and should not be a scatter shot.
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