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luv2fish
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DENNIS
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Lets not confuse the issue with information and fact. |
Everybody's just getting warmed up for the Urinal Boat excursion. 
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tripledigitken
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Over analyzing, now toilet references...
Oh the horror.....
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micah202
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...there's just such a difference ,,'generationally',,between Graham's adventure and this..... internet,facebook,go-pro has rather changed what a
wilderness adventure is.
....I've seen it on my own little..relatively private trips ,,where I find myself 'writing-up,or narrating what I'll say as a caption to a picture
I'll post.
...it certainly effects the being-in-the-moment aspect of an adventure
...I'll always wonder if the lads were actually there for themselves in the end,,,or to fulfill their funding agreements?
[Edited on 5-30-2013 by micah202]
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Whale-ista
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Technology and adventure travel
| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
...there's just such a difference ,,'generationally',,between Graham's adventure and this..... internet,facebook,go-pro has rather changed what a
wilderness adventure is.
....I've seen it on my own little..relatively private trips ,,where I find myself 'writing-up,or narrating what I'll say as a caption to a picture
I'll post.
...it certainly effects the being-in-the-moment aspect of an adventure
...I'll always wonder if the lads were actually there for themselves in the end,,,or to fulfill their funding agreements?
[Edited on 5-30-2013 by micah202] |
Good points. Having access to wifi from almost anyplace w/cell towers makes us more tech savvy but also tethered to others in ways not possible
during Graham's 1st adventure. Graham is using technology differently now also. Evolution.
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Whale-ista
| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
...there's just such a difference ,,'generationally',,between Graham's adventure and this..... internet,facebook,go-pro has rather changed what a
wilderness adventure is.
....I've seen it on my own little..relatively private trips ,,where I find myself 'writing-up,or narrating what I'll say as a caption to a picture
I'll post.
...it certainly effects the being-in-the-moment aspect of an adventure
...I'll always wonder if the lads were actually there for themselves in the end,,,or to fulfill their funding agreements?
[Edited on 5-30-2013 by micah202] |
Good points. Having access to wifi from almost anyplace w/cell towers makes us more tech savvy but also tethered to others in ways not possible
during Graham's 1st adventure. Graham is using technology differently now also. Evolution. |
...existential dilemma of the day......
.... ...is an adventure still an adventure when you can 'ping' a rescue at any time??!?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by micah202
.... ...is an adventure still an adventure when you can 'ping' a rescue at any time??!? |
Is it still an adventure if you don't need to try?
I think so.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
I have tried recently to keep my opinions from dancing through my fingers onto the BN forum....but I have to admit that I totally agree with David K.
on his take on the mini-video.
I think these two young men are on a self-indulgent fantasy of grandiosity that it far more about themselves than Baja.
A trip to bring littering and waste to the attention of others? So why break a discarded bottle and leave the shards on the ground?
And I doubt they traveled hundreds of miles without seeing anyone.....geez, everytime I have thought I was in the middle of BF Baja and wanted some
privacy, sure enough, a Mexican walks by with a rope in his hand.... (small exaggeration....). There are pangas out on the chuck, there are surfers
hiding out, there are cowboys following a few cows, there is a guy or his wife/kids watching the goats....stuff like that.
I remember the romanticism of my youth....and have held onto enough of it to still have dreams that I pursue.
I don't think these guys have an important story to tell that anyone over the age of six doesn't already know.....
My hat is off to them for the hardships of parts of their trek....and that's about it.
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I have not found any writer who has written ANYTHING profound about Baja since Steinbeck, no one, except for maybe a couple of current academic books
about border culture and/ or the human traffic trade. Everything else, while possibly interesting, is either an expanded trip report and or tour
guide. That is not to say they might not a fun read.
I don't believe these two had or have any wild delusions about writing or filming something profound. They have been off on an adventure and
hopefully they will make money from their adventure through National Geo.
Whether someone has walked Baja unknown, or used it as a way to gain attention and/or write books to earn money, those who have walked Baja have done
it for themselves, not for Baja. And these guys are not different --- it is just a different adventure and they were honest about hoping to make
some money from it.
I loved the dogs for this sample as it is something not many focus on at all and they are everywhere----backing dogs are very much a part of Baja. I
suspect there is a story about the bottle as these two are very involved in environmental things --- It will be interesting to see that story. It did
not look good. We will need to wait and see --- this video was just a teaser.
It all will very interesting to see the film --- entertainment only and I suspect very entertaining and then around here, there will be some who will
criticize it heavily because it is not their idea of what Baja is.
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
some think art is dancing around a pole. others think the barking dog has aesthetic pleasure... personally, I thought the fotos of the dogs
intriguing. Can you imagine the number of dogs that they met along the way... And some of them they caught the moment.
PS I find this clip more entertaining than the repetitive tire tracks down the beach....but to each their own...verdad?
[Edited on 5-30-2013 by rts551] |
Dancing around a pole?? 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
there will be some who will criticize it heavily because it is not their idea of what Baja is.
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Some have a tendency to turn Baja into private property in their minds and feel violated when someone else tries to interpret the place. It
interferes with their memories.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
I have tried recently to keep my opinions from dancing through my fingers onto the BN forum....but I have to admit that I totally agree with David K.
on his take on the mini-video.
I think these two young men are on a self-indulgent fantasy of grandiosity that it far more about themselves than Baja.
A trip to bring littering and waste to the attention of others? So why break a discarded bottle and leave the shards on the ground?
And I doubt they traveled hundreds of miles without seeing anyone.....geez, everytime I have thought I was in the middle of BF Baja and wanted some
privacy, sure enough, a Mexican walks by with a rope in his hand.... (small exaggeration....). There are pangas out on the chuck, there are surfers
hiding out, there are cowboys following a few cows, there is a guy or his wife/kids watching the goats....stuff like that.
I remember the romanticism of my youth....and have held onto enough of it to still have dreams that I pursue.
I don't think these guys have an important story to tell that anyone over the age of six doesn't already know.....
My hat is off to them for the hardships of parts of their trek....and that's about it.
Just sayin' |
I have not found any writer who has written ANYTHING profound about Baja since Steinbeck, no one, except for maybe a couple of current academic books
about border culture and/ or the human traffic trade. Everything else, while possibly interesting, is either an expanded trip report and or tour
guide. That is not to say they might not a fun read.
I don't believe these two had or have any wild delusions about writing or filming something profound. They have been off on an adventure and
hopefully they will make money from their adventure through National Geo.
Whether someone has walked Baja unknown, or used it as a way to gain attention and/or write books to earn money, those who have walked Baja have done
it for themselves, not for Baja. And these guys are not different --- it is just a different adventure and they were honest about hoping to make
some money from it.
I loved the dogs for this sample as it is something not many focus on at all and they are everywhere----backing dogs are very much a part of Baja. I
suspect there is a story about the bottle as these two are very involved in environmental things --- It will be interesting to see that story. It did
not look good. We will need to wait and see --- this video was just a teaser.
It all will very interesting to see the film --- entertainment only and I suspect very entertaining and then around here, there will be some who will
criticize it heavily because it is not their idea of what Baja is.
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
some think art is dancing around a pole. others think the barking dog has aesthetic pleasure... personally, I thought the fotos of the dogs
intriguing. Can you imagine the number of dogs that they met along the way... And some of them they caught the moment.
PS I find this clip more entertaining than the repetitive tire tracks down the beach....but to each their own...verdad?
[Edited on 5-30-2013 by rts551] |
Dancing around a pole?? |
In my day seen a few dogs dancing around the pole....
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Graham
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Bryan and Justin,
Muchas Felicidades on the sucessful completion of your amazing journey. Seems like yesterday when we were discussing it outside Starbucks in Lemon
Grove... when it was just a plan and a dream.
Looking forward to seeing the artistic end products. And to hearing about your next adventures.
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BajaSerg
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Yes Bryan see you at Rosa this weekend!
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BajaBlanca
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Seems to me that their trip might be likened to ART. Each one has his or her own view of what art they like......
Viva la difference!
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whatiswest
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Graham- You're so right! It did seem like yesterday, and there I was fooling myself and so anxious over a 3+month journey. We know Time.
Serge- Sorry we missed each other, the timing wasn't right, hard to plan with 4 dudes. Next time!
Blanca/Les- Sorry we couldn't stop in on the way home. 'Til next time...
Nomads: It was a great trip. We're glad you were entertained, hopefully inspired to leave the cyber-comfort zone. I'm reading Yvon Choinard's book,
"let my people go surfing", and I'm realizing that this journey wasn't anything radical, especially compared to what Yvon's and others were doing back
in the day. He was pioneering climbing routes in Yosemite with home-made gear. The difference between then and now is just, in my opinion, that there
are more barriers to exploration, and more excuses to not have an adventure in the Great Outdoors. Trust me, my entire life I've been looking at a
computer screen instead of wandering in those hills off in the distance. This trip was able to bridge the natural world to the cyber, old world with
the new.
Keep an eye out for the end product! (sorry-it's not coming next week or the week after...)
Go for a walk.
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micah202
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....WELL SAID!!
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chuckie
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What Dennis said, is pretty profound...About interfering with memories...That, mixed with a lil sour grapes perhaps, may cause a coloring of our
comments..They did it, we didnt...Congrats to them....
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whatiswest
Graham- You're so right! It did seem like yesterday, and there I was fooling myself and so anxious over a 3+month journey. We know Time.
Serge- Sorry we missed each other, the timing wasn't right, hard to plan with 4 dudes. Next time!
Blanca/Les- Sorry we couldn't stop in on the way home. 'Til next time...
Nomads: It was a great trip. We're glad you were entertained, hopefully inspired to leave the cyber-comfort zone. I'm reading Yvon Choinard's book,
"let my people go surfing", and I'm realizing that this journey wasn't anything radical, especially compared to what Yvon's and others were doing back
in the day. He was pioneering climbing routes in Yosemite with home-made gear. The difference between then and now is just, in my opinion, that there
are more barriers to exploration, and more excuses to not have an adventure in the Great Outdoors. Trust me, my entire life I've been looking at a
computer screen instead of wandering in those hills off in the distance. This trip was able to bridge the natural world to the cyber, old world with
the new.
Keep an eye out for the end product! (sorry-it's not coming next week or the week after...)
Go for a walk. |
Right on! A follow up adventure could be to try and find your SPOT device in the desert east of San Ignacio!??
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durrelllrobert
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Backed into a corner?
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Lets not confuse the issue with information and fact. |
Everybody's just getting warmed up for the Urinal Boat excursion.
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EnsenadaDr
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Mood: Move on. It is just a chapter in the past, but don't close the book- just turn the page
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Don't apologize...
Don't downplay your experience or apologize for it. Just the fact that two mean, lean guys got out from under the comfort of their computers in
cyberworld and decided to move their arms and legs in the southern direction of a few hundred miles was an awesome feat. Back in the day, there was
no entertainment online, and people wanted to get out of their boring four walls and do anything that would get them out of the house. Let's face it,
the most boring and painful thing in the world, or at least for the majority of Americans, is exercise. That is why the majority of the population is
obese. Start walking and live longer!! | Quote: | Originally posted by whatiswest
Graham- You're so right! It did seem like yesterday, and there I was fooling myself and so anxious over a 3+month journey. We know Time.
Serge- Sorry we missed each other, the timing wasn't right, hard to plan with 4 dudes. Next time!
Blanca/Les- Sorry we couldn't stop in on the way home. 'Til next time...
Nomads: It was a great trip. We're glad you were entertained, hopefully inspired to leave the cyber-comfort zone. I'm reading Yvon Choinard's book,
"let my people go surfing", and I'm realizing that this journey wasn't anything radical, especially compared to what Yvon's and others were doing back
in the day. He was pioneering climbing routes in Yosemite with home-made gear. The difference between then and now is just, in my opinion, that there
are more barriers to exploration, and more excuses to not have an adventure in the Great Outdoors. Trust me, my entire life I've been looking at a
computer screen instead of wandering in those hills off in the distance. This trip was able to bridge the natural world to the cyber, old world with
the new.
Keep an eye out for the end product! (sorry-it's not coming next week or the week after...)
Go for a walk. |
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BajaBlanca
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Hi boys ! Hope we run into you again one day. Your trip was very inspiring!
We just got back from our walk,
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