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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Are you saying then that the Mexican police will not reveal the exact location of where the car was found and have not started searching around the
area for Gary? |
Would expect no less from the police. Bureaucracy before humanity! The motto of all government.
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Nope, never said that the authorities would not reveal the location but I did say that a search was conducted around the area where the vehicle was
found. I don't know to what extent.
As soon as more information is learned either I or the family will post.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Are you saying then that the Mexican police will not reveal the exact location of where the car was found and have not started searching around the
area for Gary? |
Would expect no less from the police. Bureaucracy before humanity! The motto of all government. |
I would not want a bunch of idiots tramping around aimlessly.
And I think, Ense nada, if you would bother to read the police "apparently" did do a search.
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I hate to assume anything but rotting food in the cooler must indicate the vehicle has been there awhile? Cold trail after so many weeks/months.
Let's hope the family can find him & take him home. Good Luck. Tio
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So RTS, what does "apparently" mean to you? Apparently to me means not much information was forthcoming. | Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Are you saying then that the Mexican police will not reveal the exact location of where the car was found and have not started searching around the
area for Gary? |
Would expect no less from the police. Bureaucracy before humanity! The motto of all government. |
I would not want a bunch of idiots tramping around aimlessly.
And I think, Ense nada, if you would bother to read the police "apparently" did do a search. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
My condolences to the family first of course. Are you saying then that the Mexican police will not reveal the exact location of where the car was
found and have not started searching around the area for Gary? | Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
I'm sure that the family will do whatever is necessary to help and of course they will be there when the search is organized.
This past few months has been very hard on all of them. I can't imagine what they have been through and to provide closure is something that has to be
done.
None of the family is in Baja right now. There is no need. Once we learn of the exact location and the vehicle is released we can organize the search
and do this in such a way that it is completed in an organized manner and get it right the first time. |
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...we don't have the exact location of the where the vehicle was located. Apparently the scene and surrounding area was searched and nothing was
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Janene-This thread is not about semantics. If you need to ask rts something please use u2u. I don't want to get the thread caught up with useless
posts. Please…..
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I agree Dan. Then likewise RTS should not use this thread to insult me and call me Ense NADA. My thoughts are these: The family was called and told
Gary's car was found. They come all the way down to Baja, and then are sent home until the police are good and ready to let them search for him and
not give them any specifics? This seems apparent to me that they sent the family on a wild goose chase, and for what? Can't they point them into the
general direction so they can do a search? | Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
Janene-This thread is not about semantics. If you med to ask rts something please use u2u. I don't want to get the thread caught up with useless
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How was the Danielle Van Dam case solved? They had cell tower records of David Westerfield driving along the road to Sycuan so some volunteers combed
the area and found her mummified body. The police didn't tell everyone to steer clear, and wait for the OK. I know we are talking about two
different countries here, but what's wrong with getting a search going?
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Whatever happens regarding this case is determined by the family, not us. I'm prepared to help in any way I am capable if and when asked by the family
or a representative and have made that known to them. Until then, I wait and respectfully keep my ideas to myself.
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I am sorry I just hate to see the family's strings being pulled any further. I am frankly shocked that the Mexican police didn't lay out the whole
and complete scenario after they traveled all the way down to Catavina. Not entirely shocked but why give them only part of the puzzle and make them
wait? And then have them come all the way back down again? I'm sorry but I can't sit back and just watch this terrible injustice quietly.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
....... I'm sorry but I can't sit back and just watch this terrible injustice quietly. |
For the families sake why not give it a try?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
Janene-This thread is not about semantics. If you need to ask rts something please use u2u. I don't want to get the thread caught up with useless
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"...the Mexican police didn't lay out the whole and complete scenario?
I'm thinking maybe there are facets to the region's crime and politics that the police are considering. They may know of other forces such as drug
smuggling, resident cartel members, local thugs and crime rings; and reporting protocol by superiors, initial contacts to people who might have seen
something; the fact this is an American citizen. The situation may not be as simple as it appears.
Hang in there Patton family.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
"...the Mexican police didn't lay out the whole and complete scenario?
I'm thinking maybe there are facets to the region's crime and politics that the police are considering. They may know of other forces such as drug
smuggling, resident cartel members, local thugs and crime rings; and reporting protocol by superiors, initial contacts to people who might have seen
something; the fact this is an American citizen. The situation may not be as simple as it appears.
Hang in there Patton family. |
Are you suggesting it was murder? Probably need to find the body before leaping to that conclusion.
P.S. the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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I'm not suggesting nor concluding anything. A thorough, professional investigation, and the local knowledge of the police, in their jurisdiction,
with their resources, should be allowed to happen, within the parameters of a wide perspective.
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I agree with lizardlips, wilderone and mulegena. The family and the police need space and time. Sometimes we think of the Mexican police as the guy
that pulled us over looking for a moridida. In fact at some level they can be very efficient. When lizardlips and the family ask for assistance I'm
sure many Nomads will be available- until that time all we can do is hope/pray for the family.
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In fact at some level they can be very efficient. |
I can remember when the Judicial Police wouldn't even come to your house to investigate a robbery unless you paid for their gas and lunch.
I wonder if they still do that? 
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I am not in any way, shape or form suggesting to disregard the family's decision and go over their heads and act independently. However as Goat said,
the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Don't you feel enough time has elapsed? Time is of the essence here. I would be pressing the Mexican police for
more information and more specifics is all I am saying. Or like Dennis suggested, a mordida might be in order. Anything to speed this thing along.
The more time that elapses the less clues might be uncovered as to where Gary is. | Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
I agree with lizardlips, wilderone and mulegena. The family and the police need space and time. Sometimes we think of the Mexican police as the guy
that pulled us over looking for a moridida. In fact at some level they can be very efficient. When lizardlips and the family ask for assistance I'm
sure many Nomads will be available- until that time all we can do is hope/pray for the family. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
I agree with lizardlips, wilderone and mulegena. The family and the police need space and time. Sometimes we think of the Mexican police as the guy
that pulled us over looking for a moridida. In fact at some level they can be very efficient. When lizardlips and the family ask for assistance I'm
sure many Nomads will be available- until that time all we can do is hope/pray for the family. |
Amen --- until help is requested, all the speculation, criticism, advice, etc. is not helpful.
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