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lizard lips
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Love my Spot even though I haven't used it recently.
I had work in Jordan and had it on when I traveled from Amman up to the Syrian border. It worked great in Haiti, Kyrgyzstan, and all over India and
Sri Lanka.
I have a trip planned next month to Bulgaria and plan to reinstate my use.
This is a necessity when traveling in fact I'm tracking a friend right now with his family south to GN.
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LancairDriver
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20/20 hindsight is always great, but I wish Gary Patton would have had a Spot tracker. The outcome could have been considerably different. Hopefully
incidents like this, as well as with the Italian biker who went missing near Catavina, will bring more attention to the importance of this very
affordable technology. On my last trip, my designated spot followers commented on what a nice camping spot I had on the beach on conception bay after
looking at my location on google earth.
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24baja
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Hijack of thread? Come on people! Shoulda woulda coulda. Think of the family.
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 24baja
Hijack of thread? Come on people! Shoulda woulda coulda. Think of the family. |
Thank you, 24baja.... The ideas floating around are of little value to the
family....and have been covered ad nauseum on other posts for traveller info.
Folks, respect this family's wishes as stated....they will ask for help when they are ready to use it.
Just because this is supposed to be a discussion forum doesn't really justify insensitive or off-topic discussion....in my opinion.
Don't believe everything you think....
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Just because this is supposed to be a discussion forum doesn't really justify insensitive or off-topic discussion....in my opinion.
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Just consider it chatting during intermission. 
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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Marla Daily
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Gary's car was found 3/20/2014. Family members have come and gone to Catavina. So what now?
Is there an "investigation" taking place?
Is anyone searching?
Closure for the family would be a good thing.
[Edited on 3-25-2014 by Marla Daily]
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SoCalPattonCrew
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I have made calls yesterday and today to my contacts, asking for status on the investigation:
- We have to wait for them to 'conclude' their investigation before we can pick up the vehicle;
- We also have to wait for their conclusion and description to know where the vehicle was found, with more precision than a 40 mile stretch of dirt
road;
- And, we do not know if there is any kind of organized search being done, this was not made clear.
I prefer to think that the police are searching in their own way, and want this resolved with minimal intervention by the family, because they do
not need folks in any further endangerment in their town. I am sure the police became very aware of how much how guys wanted to go to the site, and
personally I am grateful that they withheld that information for now, but I have to believe it is because they are out there searching. At some point,
they'll get pressure from us, but we were asked to give them some time. And, yes, it's hard, but after all this time, it's not cruel or unfair on
their part to be ultra-considerate of our guys safety.
We still pray with hope, and if anyone reports anything at all, any call back to me, I'll let you know asap.
And we so appreciate the kind words and willingness of the nomads to jump in and help -- you're all a God-send.
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apple
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Any idea if the vehicle is running? Or what condition it is in?
Our thoughts are with your family
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EnsenadaDr
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Thanks for the update, Family. I am for one behind you 100% though I tend to get quite zealous in my ideas at times. Sounds like you are taking the
right steps. | Quote: | Originally posted by SoCalPattonCrew
I have made calls yesterday and today to my contacts, asking for status on the investigation:
- We have to wait for them to 'conclude' their investigation before we can pick up the vehicle;
- We also have to wait for their conclusion and description to know where the vehicle was found, with more precision than a 40 mile stretch of dirt
road;
- And, we do not know if there is any kind of organized search being done, this was not made clear.
I prefer to think that the police are searching in their own way, and want this resolved with minimal intervention by the family, because they do
not need folks in any further endangerment in their town. I am sure the police became very aware of how much how guys wanted to go to the site, and
personally I am grateful that they withheld that information for now, but I have to believe it is because they are out there searching. At some point,
they'll get pressure from us, but we were asked to give them some time. And, yes, it's hard, but after all this time, it's not cruel or unfair on
their part to be ultra-considerate of our guys safety.
We still pray with hope, and if anyone reports anything at all, any call back to me, I'll let you know asap.
And we so appreciate the kind words and willingness of the nomads to jump in and help -- you're all a God-send. |
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SoCalPattonCrew
- We have to wait for them to 'conclude' their investigation before we can pick up the vehicle;
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Reminds me of a story. Years back I had a Mexican buddy here who had his house robbed. He reported it to the police and they caught the culprits
with my friend's property...the most cherished item being a cassette player.
He went to the station to identify his property asking the police if he could take it with him.
"No," they said...."we have to keep it for evidence."
"For how long?"...asked my buddy.
"Forever," was their answer. 
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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SoCalPattonCrew
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Car has no obvious body damage. Our guys couldn't turn on the car so no telling as yet about running condition. Tires need air, don't appear to be
damaged, again, all these things still need to be verified. The engine was very dusty, and Interior items appeared undisturbed, but a thorough check
as to receipts and other items could not be done, so many details not covered may still offer clues.
Mileage was where it should be, nothing surprising there. Nothing is calling out to us, just still missing him.
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Whale-ista
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Thank you for the update. Hope you are closer to some answers.
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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EnsenadaDr
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I agree with Dennis in a way, especially when it comes to the Mexican police. In the words of the great late Ronald Reagan, "Trust but verify."
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mtgoat666
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Bureaucracies specialize in burying problems through neglect. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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EnsenadaDr
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When you say "our guys" does that mean no one in the family went down to Baja? If no one was there that was an actual family member the Mexican
police will be less likely to cooperate if at all. | Quote: | Originally posted by SoCalPattonCrew
Car has no obvious body damage. Our guys couldn't turn on the car so no telling as yet about running condition. Tires need air, don't appear to be
damaged, again, all these things still need to be verified. The engine was very dusty, and Interior items appeared undisturbed, but a thorough check
as to receipts and other items could not be done, so many details not covered may still offer clues.
Mileage was where it should be, nothing surprising there. Nothing is calling out to us, just still missing him. |
[Edited on 3-27-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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SoCalPattonCrew
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Yes, our family did meet with the Catavina Police officers for the vehicle inspection at their headquarters. We were only able to take photographs
and were not permitted to enter the interior of the vehicle. The Police had towed Gary's vehicle to their Police department.
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EnsenadaDr
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Ok cool. So you were referring to your family when you said our guys. I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification.
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willardguy
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so at this juncture its not clear if the 4runner had mechanical issues or simply got stuck, sending gary off for help?
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EnsenadaDr
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Well it's understandable that they might want to keep the car indefinitely for evidence in a missing person's case.
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SoCalPattonCrew
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Question Nomads: 1. Are any of you nomads familiar with any road that is south of Catavina heading west toward the ocean that leads to the FISH
CAMP as labeled on DavidK's map, see pg. 39? That is, south of Catavina but north of El Pedregoso on DavidK's map? I notice also that elevation
becomes an issue when traveling toward the ocean south of Catavina.
2. Also, are there surf spots then at the FISH Camp? Are there others nearby just south of there?
3. Are any of you nomads within 5 hours of this area? It is so very remote, and a ranch maybe nearby but no cell sites anywhere.
To help replies, I numbered the questions -- Thanks, all
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