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Thoughts & Hopes
Wow, I have read all 46 pages of ‘stuff’, not very well developed, on the pros and cons of the ‘new’ Arizona law …which is the same as preexisting
federal law. I really have a great deal of difficulty understanding many of your comments as they somehow seem to change to support you position as
it relates to others comments. Some of you seem able to develop a new defense of your positions at the drop of a hat.
One of you even decided to attack the other side, whatever that is, by talking about individual tax cheating, speeding tickets, etc…such a bunch of BS
when it comes to adult discussion of this topic. This even got some positive play with the folks who wish to give our country away for whatever
reason…you even chose to forget that the Mexican Law as it relates to ‘illegal” aliens …mostly on it southern borders THEY ARE BASICALLY THE SAME AS
THE ARIZONIA/ US FEDERAL laws.
The when Irenemm posts the following everyone ignores it
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posted on 4-29-2010 at 12:33
My 17 year old granddaughter born in Ensenada and has lived her whole life in Vicente Guerrero sums it up for me. She does have a green card.
If you did not do anything wrong what is the problem. If they ask me for papers and I have them what is the problem. If I don't have them then I guess
I am breaking the law. You pay the price for breaking the law
I like her thinking
Just 17
I am at totally loss because she is obviously a Mexican Citizen who it attempting to lend some rationally to this thread…AND she it totally
ignored.
Guys and Gals this is simple a case of Sovereign Statehood and nothing else…Captain Mike posted a list of Country’s that protected their own
borders…he failed to mention Mexico who is very forceful is protecting it’s own southern border…Oh! Yeah…Canada is becoming much more forceful in
protecting it’s own…
My friends…just look around the world and you will find that America is the least forceful in enforcing our own borders ,,,both North and South.
And I believe that our country will drown and be lost should we continue our current path.
Just an old mans thoughts!
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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I too found it refreshing Bernie...
This was that reply:
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My 17 year old granddaughter born in Ensenada and has lived her whole life in Vicente Guerrero sums it up for me. She does have a green card.
If you did not do anything wrong what is the problem. If they ask me for papers and I have them what is the problem. If I don't have them then I guess
I am breaking the law. You pay the price for breaking the law
I like her thinking
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BRAVO! SHE'S A GENIOUS! SAYS IT ALL...
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Yicks, the usual crowd will probably label her a "racist redneck".
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Yicks, the usual crowd will probably label her a "racist redneck".
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Yeah Man...Irene had better watch her step or she risks being added to this list:
http://www.cracked.com/article_15677_9-most-racist-disney-ch...
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17 yo with green card?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
My 17 year old granddaughter born in Ensenada and has lived her whole life in Vicente Guerrero sums it up for me. She does have a green card.
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if she is 17 yo, has green card and still lives in mexico, she probably comes from middle- or upper-class mexican family; and she can only have green
card because mommy or daddy arranged it. 17 yos do not know about what it takes to make a living and feed a family. they are impulsive immature
adolescents, and often think they know it all
it is like meg whitman (in midst of her campaign to buy the governorship) spouting off during the campaign about how the poor on welfare should be
terminated from welfare. in midst of a depression, meg says "go get a job." where are the jobs, meg? 
ain't it grand when the wealthy and privileged tell the poor how to live? 
the 17 you sounds like a typical adolescent, mouthing off from the perspective of a 17 yo privileged know-it-all.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
in midst of a depression, meg says "go get a job." |
Reminds me of when Nancy Reagan suggested that the homeless wouldn't be without a roof over their head if they just went out and bought a condo.
Yeah...stay in touch, Nancy and Meg.
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Mexicorn Pops ?
"Last Mexican American in Arizona dont (sic) forget to turn off the lights! "
IF "Mexican-Americans" leave Arizona, it will be of their own free, so no tears need be shed.
Regardless of what the Mongol Libs say, I doubt (and would wager money) that there will be NO statistical evidence that a significant number of
Mexican-Americans or Legal Residents flee Arizona.
Those that do, should be careful WHERE they go, especially in California.
Sunday's Press-Enterprise has a lengthy article on the Police Checkpoints in the Inland-Empire (San Bernardino, Murrieta, Perris, Temecula, etc) where
they are checking vehicles for proper licensing and registration, including Driver's Licenses. Those without the proper docs are having their
vehicles impounded for 30 days. The Illegals are whining that THEY are being targeted because they don't have proper documentation. Well,
DUH !
One amusing aspect to the brouhaha is that "activist" Illegals in the area spot the checkpoints, go down the road and alert traffic to the checkpoint.
SO, the police stakeout the "alerters" and watch for cars behaving suspiciously. Caught some that way. Cool.
Of course, they're simply letting the offenders themselves go on their way AND redeem the vehicle if they can.
That's because California is so loving and caring.
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HIDTA task force on border mired in corruption charges
Posted by Bill Conroy - May 16, 2010 at 11:43 am
ICE agents who blew the whistle on fellow law enforcers’ fraud, waste and abuse faced swift retaliation from their agency
A law enforcement task force in New Mexico that is supposed to target drug-trafficking criminals is instead awash in charges that it is using its
nearly $600,000 taxpayer-subsidized budget to fund its own corrupt practices.
The task force was previously the target of an investigation by the internal affairs unit of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that revealed
a disturbing trail of bookkeeping irregularities and multiple mysterious bank accounts. In the wake of that investigation, nothing of consequence
happened to the task force or its operations, and it continues to operate under the same leadership to this day.
Now, a former ICE agent who participated in the task force has stepped forward with revelations that, at a minimum, raise serious questions about the
integrity of a major federal drug war initiative known as the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas (HIDTA) program.
The Deming, N.M.-based task force, composed of local and state law enforcers as well as federal ICE agents, serves primarily three counties (Luna,
Grant and Hidalgo) in southern New Mexico. The task force, called the Border Operations Task Force, or BOTF-Deming, is part of New Mexico’s larger HI
DTA program, which is overseen by the White House Office of National
Drug Control Policy (ONDCP).
The former federal agent who is now talking, Christopher DeSantis, served as an ICE agent in Deming from 2001 until mid-2007. He is currently
embroiled in litigation with ICE over claims that the federal law enforcement agency discriminated against him and eventually fired him because he
blew the whistle on the corruption in the BOTF-Deming.
DeSantis, in a series of interviews with Narco News, claims that the leadership of the BOTF-Deming engaged in a massive waste of taxpayers dollars in
order to spend down budgeted funds to assure the same level of funding, or greater, in the following budget cycle. DeSantis alleges some task force
members claimed overtime pay while bird hunting; attended "training" junkets in places like Tucson and Las Vegas that they viewed as paid vacations
and where they spent a good deal of their time in bars and strip clubs; and spent thousands of dollars on useless equipment, such as two
cellular-based tracking systems for use in a remote corner of the border where there was no cell service.
“They were even buying refills for disposable pens just to burn up the budget money,” DeSantis says. “They didn’t give a chit. They just wanted to use
up the money because the fiscal year was ending.”
DeSantis also alleges that it was common practice for the task force leadership to double count drug seizures. In other words, he claims that if ICE
made a drug seizure in the area independent of the task force, then the task force also would count that same seizure in its drug-bust numbers to help
bolster its standing for future HIDTA funding.
More disturbing, however, are DeSantis claims about the task force’s use of a particular informant, designated SA-163.
As part of one BOTF-Deming operation, DeSantis says he was part of a team that bought heroin every week, “like clockwork,” for a year based on
information provided by SA-163, whom DeSantis says was a “doper.” The task force would pay that informant for the information, often dipping into both
the task force’s funds as well as ICE funds so they could dole out more money to SA-163 and not trigger ICE reporting requirements that kicked in when
informant payments reached a certain dollar level.
“We would meet someone who was bringing the drugs across the border, and we made the purchases in a parking lot or hotel [on the U.S. side],” DeSantis
recalled. “We were wired for sound and someone was in a van or in an adjoining hotel room [for backup and monitoring.] Most of the time, we were just
buying the drugs, and every one in a while, we would arrest a [low-level] mule.”
However, DeSantis says the operation, which he did not control, never made an effort to work its way up the drug organization’s hierarchy to bust its
leadership, which he stresses should be the goal of any major drug sting operation.
“We were just going through the motions,” he says. “We had a lot of buy-walks, where we would just get the dope, but no one was arrested. The CI
[informant] would just let his handler [a New Mexico cop with the task force] know there was another batch of heroin for sale, and ask if we wanted
it.
“After doing this forever [the heroin purchases], it dawned on me that this CI [informant SA-163], that it was his heroin,” DeSantis continues. “He
was getting paid by law enforcement and getting street value for his drugs with no risk (and the task force was getting to count the heroin purchase
as drug seizures, which helped them justify the HIDTA funding and bolster careers.)
DeSantis says he and another ICE agent on the task force did report their concerns to a federal prosecutor in New Mexico. (That other ICE agent was
later removed from the task force and reassigned to a different ICE post, according to DeSantis.)
The prosecutor, DeSantis says, scheduled a polygraph test for the informant. However, the ICE supervisor overseeing the Deming office at the time
claimed the informant could not be found, DeSantis says.
That same supervisor, DeSantis alleges, subsequently approved a $10,000 relocation payment for the very same informant, SA-163 — after telling the
prosecutor that the informant could not be found in order to take the polygraph test.
“So that means either (the supervisor) lied to the prosecutor, which is obstruction of justice, or he stole the $10,000,” DeSantis says. “Either way,
he should have been criminally indicted.”
DeSantis’ claims about this ICE supervisor are also echoed in legal case brought before the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) in 2007 by
another agent at the ICE Deming office. That agent, who served as the Residence Agent in Charge of the ICE office in 2005, after the allegedly corrupt
supervisor had retired, also claims she was retaliated against for blowing the whistle on the task force corruption – including alleging that some
$300,000 in federal funds under the control of a HIDTA task force in Deming had mysteriously disappeared.
In her EEO filing, the agent, Caroline Richardson, claims the allegedly corrupt supervisor had problems with the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Las Cruces
because he “was hiding” an informant to avoid having him take a polygraph.
Covering Up The Paper Trail
Although the legal trail for both Richardson and DeSantis has been long, several years in the making now, and is complicated, in essence each is
claiming that ICE ruined their careers because they sought to expose corruption within the federally funded HIDTA program in New Mexico.
Both Richardson and DeSantis filed administrative cases with the U.S. Merit Systems Protection board alleging, in part, that ICE supervisors
retaliated against them for seeking to expose alleged corruption in the HIDTA-funded BOTF-Deming.
Richardson and DeSantis both served in the ICE Deming office (Richardson from 2003 to the fall of 2005 and DeSantis from 2001 to mid-2007 — when he
was terminated). Each of them reported the corruption problems within the BOTF-Deming, which eventually prompted an ICE internal affairs investigation
in 2006 and a subsequent report of findings issued in 2007. (Narco News obtained that report the same year through a Freedom of Information Act
request and wrote about it at length in a news report that can be found at this link.)
Although the New Mexico HIDTA program funding was suspended for a short time in 2007, due in part to the problems of the BOTF-Deming, the funding was
restored within a matter of months, in large part because of the intervention of a powerful U.S. Senator in New Mexico — Republican Pete Domenici, who
has since been replaced in the Senate by Democrat Tom Udall.
According to the findings of the ICE internal affairs investigation of the BOTF-Deming’s operations “reviewers … experienced considerable resistance
when trying to obtain documents” relating to the task force’s funds.
From the ICE report:
OPR [the Office of Professional Responsibility, ICE’s internal affairs unit] reviewers concurred with the ONDCP auditor’s opinion that records are
disorganized and extremely difficult to review or audit. This fact was confirmed [regarding] … “discretionary funds” expenditures and to some extent
[in the] payments made to informants. With respect to the overtime payments, many times the reimbursement requests were not submitted until well after
the overtime assignment was performed and frequently the support documentation for the payments was incomplete.
Other findings of the ICE OPR investigation (released in March 2007):
• The Task Force made multiple payments to a source of information, evidence or service [an informant]. … The review [of informant] payments disclosed
possible reciprocal payments to two confidential informants. … Report forms in four informant files disclosed insufficient documentation. …
• [The BOTF-Deming] HIDTA Executive Assistant erased financial records from the computer. …
• ICE is not in control or in possession of its own Deming BOTF HIDTA initiative financial records.…
In addition, shortly after Richardson was demoted and relocated to El Paso in September 2005 (after reporting her corruption concerns about the
BOTF-Deming operations to the Department of Justice) an unknown thief paid a visit to the BOTF-Deming office.
From the ICE OPR report:
The break-in occurred shortly after Richardson had been reassigned to El Paso…. On Sunday, September 25, 2005, at 0208 hours, the Deming Police
Department was dispatched to the physical location of the Office of the RAC Deming [the location of the BOTF-Deming] where they met the federal agent
who had called to report a break-in following Sector’s telephonic advise that the building alarm had sounded.
DeSantis claims that there was never an investigation conducted by ICE, or any other federal agency, of the break-in. In a comment he provided to
Narco News previously, DeSantis described the break-in as a big “hoax”:
The abuses [by the BOTF-Deming) were so egregious that the Agency [ICE) will never allow the truth to see the light of day.
Overtime was paid for hunting trips, travel funds spent for strip-club patronage, and money just outright missing along with the accompanying
accounting ledgers. As to the “break-in” of the RAC Deming office, what a hoax; the building compound was surrounded by 15’ chain link fences topped
with razor wire and multiple video cameras recorded 24/7 video surveillance.
The Deming Police Department was called regarding the break-in but no investigation was conducted. I was in the building that morning and no effort
was made to take fingerprints or examine the video surveillance tapes. The locks to the building were not damaged and [the task-force administrative
assistant] mysteriously left the door to her office, where the HIDTA bookkeeping records where stored, unlocked; something she never did.
Absolutely nothing of value was taken from anywhere in the office…; only the HIDTA bookkeeping records were “stolen.”
Shooting the Messengers
Katherine Bush, a public affairs spokesperson for the ONDCP, provided Narco News with the following information about the current status of the
BOTF-Deming in response to an e-mail query:
The total FY 2010 budget for the New Mexico Region of the SWB [Southwest Border] HIDTA is $8,317,832.
The NM Border Operations Task Force (BOTF), located in Deming, is still one of the initiatives for the New Mexico Region and therefore received HIDTA
funds. For FY 2010, BOTF received $589,022.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement is very much a part of the NM BOTF (Deming) and provides fulltime agents as part of that task force.
So, it appears, despite the serious claims of corruption, and what appears to be considerable evidence in that regard, the BOTF-Deming remains
operational. According to law enforcement sources and press reports, the same two individuals who headed the BOTF-Deming (an ICE agent and a New
Mexico law enforcer) at the time Richardson, DeSantis and others brought forward the corruption charges, remain in charge. Those individuals are Bart
Skelton, who replaced Richardson as ICE RAC in Deming; and New Mexico Sixth Judicial District detective Larry Lutonsky — who is also now apparently a
candidate for Luna County Sheriff.
DeSantis and Richardson’s MSPB cases, as well as an EEO complaint filed by Richardson, eventually became the basis for now-pending lawsuits filed in
federal court in New Mexico alleging that ICE engaged in discriminatory practices against each of them. (Richardson is Puerto Rican; DeSantis suffers
from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and is now drawing a disability pension from the government.)
The discrimination and retaliation employed by ICE against the two federal agents led to DeSantis being fired from his job and to the demotion of
Richardson from a Resident Agent in Charge post in Deming to a group supervisor job with ICE in El Paso, Texas, according to the trail of litigation
in their cases.
DeSantis’ federal lawsuit is slated to go to trial in August and Richardson’s case is scheduled for trial in November.
Narco News did attempt to contact a representative of the BOTF-Deming, but the available telephone numbers have been disconnected, including numbers
that have worked in the past. The ONDCP’s Bush explains that the task force “could be operating in some local police department’s basement” now,
adding that every HIDTA operation is different.
Narco News also contacted ICE El Paso, which oversees the Deming RAC office. A spokesperson for that office has so far failed to respond to questions.
However, attorney Mark Conrad, a former supervisory special agent with U.S. Customs, which was merged into ICE, has some pretty harsh words for the
government’s handling of the BOTF-Deming matter. Conrad is now representing DeSantis in his discrimination lawsuit against ICE.
After the documentary and testimony came out in the 2008 MSPB [Merit Systems Protection Board] discovery and hearings, I was astonished to learn that
ICE is back in the thick of things again [with respect to the BOTF-Deming]. I am sure that ICE will tell you that they audit the [HIDTA] funds to
insure that they are used appropriately. That is like asking Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to audit themselves. It is a fraud on the American people.
I am also astonished that the U.S. Attorney's office in New Mexico has not launched a criminal investigation into the allegations of intentional
double payments to informants from two different pots of government money, but I have to assume that is … to protect the AUSA's that knew what was
going on, and to protect their "defense" in the civil case Mr. DeSantis has against ICE (which is part of Homeland Security).
The documents and testimony are there. Any first-year prosecutor could convict some of these people of flat out fraud. …
Stay tuned ….
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AND
That has to do with WHAT aspect of the Arizona Law ?
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I'm astonished that these abuses raised any eyebrows. The little fish are learning from the big fish. If they pass the tests they'll be on their way
to Washington with raises and cushy desk jobs.
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They were acting like bankers and stockbrokers do!
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The Nature of Man
Is NOT Good. It is self-interest.
MOST People are naturally corrupt. Most struggle with Venal attractions throughout life.
Society is properly structured when we accept that fact and put in place safeguards and penalties to hold that natural corruption in check.
Nobody should EVER be surprised when anyone, Big Fish or Small, acts on their corrupt tendencies IF they believe they'll succeed.
That's Life.
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Hmmm. Safeguards and penalties. You sound like a big government liberal.
But, seriously, no successful society has ever been able to function without setting limits, rules and penalties on day to day activities. The corrupt
nature of man, as you mentioned, is fundamentally what resulted in the rulers of yore to create religion. Fear of man is nothing like fear of God.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
That has to do with WHAT aspect of the Arizona Law ? |
Bill
The Arizona law attempts to right wrongs, it's attempt to get a handle on a problem with illegal immigration which is directly related to crime,
kidnapping, murder and gangs, immigration is supposed to be managed by ICE and Border Patrol some of whom according to the article, are mired in
corruption as opposed to being effective and there is no accountability.
The connection between ICE corruption and illegal immigration is obvious and direct, illustrating the large problem, there isn't effective
enforcement, those who are assigned responsibility are more concerned with personal benefit and fail to do their job. While Johnny tourist is hassled
for an illegal kiwi in his camper, the border is wide open to those who want to pass without a visa or inspection.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The corrupt nature of man, as you mentioned, is fundamentally what resulted in the rulers of yore to create religion. Fear of man is nothing like fear
of God. |
That's an interesting statement of fact. Where did you get it?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Is NOT Good. It is self-interest.
MOST People are naturally corrupt. Most struggle with Venal attractions throughout life.
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Bill actually there are few people who are corrupt unfortunately the system as it is benefits antisocial narcissists who use corruption to their
benefit. On the other the majority are good people and believe most other people are too, so they fail to see their misleaders as corrupt. Many people
fall into the game of believing their team is good and the other is bad, which is how the left-right paradigm plays out the public. People blame the
other party instead of recognizing the complicity and connectivity between politicians and failure.
As a public we must be critical and skeptical of any politician or manager and never trust they would behave properly without direct oversight. We
must break out of the false left-right paradigm and see ourselves as co-leaders.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
The corrupt nature of man, as you mentioned, is fundamentally what resulted in the rulers of yore to create religion. Fear of man is nothing like fear
of God. |
That's an interesting statement of fact. Where did you get it? |
It was either Bill Maher, or my culo, if you must know.
Seriously, I have studied comparative religion at two universities. I have also read extensively on the subject. While there is no button on this
forum to identify fact from opinion, I confess that it is my opinion that religions were devised by people in power, to control their flock. Much as
the same that happens today in politics. Why else would there be so many similarities amongst disparate religions, who by virtue of their
similarities, should be moving together, as opposed to be trying to kill each other?
[Edited on 5-18-2010 by Bajahowodd]
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Response to bajahowodd about religion
Amen,
I have spent over fifty years trying to understand religion and politics and have basically decided that any thing that has an 'ISM' behind it's name,
indeed, is out to use it's power to gain MORE power and to control the masses...Yep! They are all in the same game and the name is control and
power...and to hell with the masses.
Sadly! That is what I labor with each and every day...and the thirst for power has been elivated over 100 times over the past 20 years....Yep! that
is Clinton, Bush, and Obama.
If we get out of this mess alive I will be most confused.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
That has to do with WHAT aspect of the Arizona Law ? |
Bill
The Arizona law attempts to right wrongs, it's attempt to get a handle on a problem with illegal immigration which is directly related to crime,
kidnapping, murder and gangs, immigration is supposed to be managed by ICE and Border Patrol some of whom according to the article, are mired in
corruption as opposed to being effective and there is no accountability.
The connection between ICE corruption and illegal immigration is obvious and direct, illustrating the large problem, there isn't effective
enforcement, those who are assigned responsibility are more concerned with personal benefit and fail to do their job. While Johnny tourist is hassled
for an illegal kiwi in his camper, the border is wide open to those who want to pass without a visa or inspection. |
Kid- you hit the nail on the head. Hey, by the way do any of you Nomads know of any local corruption at the San Ysidro Point of Entry by any members
of Immigration Customs Enforcement Agents. I had been told that they cannot be in possession of Cellular Telephones while on duty. Furthermore, they
are not notified of which lane they will be working and are shifted about every 15 minutes. Whats that all about?
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I had been told that they cannot be in possession of Cellular Telephones while on duty. |
Unless it's absolutely essential to their job should carry a cell phone at work. Yesterday, I watched a clerk at a Home Depot hold off a
customer while he was on a cell phone. If he would've done that to me the phone would be up his a$$...Sideways.
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