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woody with a view
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1 yes
2 not at the camp but in the area
3 yes, only satellite phones
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Ateo
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What Woody said above.
There are definitely Nomads 5 hours from this area. I'm not one of them currently.
No cell service there. Sat phones only. You can rent them.
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BooJumMan
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Just to reiterate, I was there in December, I took that same road in, and drove south to P. Blanco. I did quite a bit of driving, hiking, etc over the
course of 2 weeks in the area, and did not see Gary's 4runner. (I was aware of him missing, and had a silver 4runner just like his so I was on the
look-out).
I did not pass to the north labeled Fish Camp on DavidK's map. However, I am unaware of any good surf spots in that exact area. If the word was the
4runner being up in that area, I believe the roads are pretty rough to the N and direct South.
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bajaguy
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I am within 5 hours of Catavina.
Stopped at the hotel at Catavina today on our way north, glanced at delegation office on the highway. The 4 Runner is there and looks to be in good
shape.
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Mexitron
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Actually I have gotten occasional cell phone service out at P. San Jose---the signals apparently travel over water from El Rosario/San Quintin.
Francisco, one of the fisherman out there, has a cell phone. However, if the phone was inland/in a canyon it would likely be blocked.
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pappy
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confirm waht mexitron said. surprised the cells even worked there, but they can in certain spots.
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Ateo
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If the family is prepping for a search, I wouldn't count on cell service. There may be areas where you get a signal, but if you want solid, reliable
connections, in that area, you need a sat phone.
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Taco de Baja
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I’ve driven that road almost every year since 1995, so yes, I’m familiar with it.
There are not many spots that are "sandy" where one would get stuck as described happened to the 4Runner, unless he turned up or down one of the sandy
washes for camping for the night; and even those are few and far between. The one I'm thinking of is about 2/3 of the way to the coast (3-4 hours off
the pavement, plus an hour south of El Rosario). I’ve camped here before, and if you go far enough up the wash you can't be seen from the dirt road.
If he was stuck closer to Cataviña in the boulder fields it is likely the vehicle would have been found a lot sooner. There are numerous surf/fishing
spots up and down the coast from San Jose, but again if the vehicle was at the coast it would have been seen a lot sooner, lots of traffic and no real
out of the way places where a vehicle would remain hidden. My money would be in a "remote" inland area.
Hand held radios may be the best way for limited communication for any searchers in the area.
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tiotomasbcs
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Amigos, I have been out there and I remember only an hour to hour n half ride out there-coast. My trouble was at the rivermouth crossing. If he was
off the main road into San Jose then it was well travelled by fishermen, etc. Easy to get stuck! Was it a rainy, wet oct/Nov?? I came thru hwy 1
during early October. Send in the Nomads! Tio
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woody with a view
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the estuary isn't an issue. too many folks pass by daily. the only issue is past the green school/church/ejido building when there is a fork in the
road. we almost got stuck in an offshoot road once, where there was a corral.... i guess if you were trying to be lost from the main drag there are
spots, but who does that when the coast is SO CLOSE?
i smell a rat......
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woody with a view
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by "rat" i mean something isn't kosher here.... why won't SOMEONE say where the car was found?
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vgabndo
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I'm within 5-7 hours, don't know the road, have a TelCel, a quad and a 4x4.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
by "rat" i mean something isn't kosher here.... why won't SOMEONE say where the car was found? |
It could be. It's really unfair to the family. They should complete their report as fast as possible, or at least keep the family abreast of what
they're doing and what their plans are. Most likely they're looking for Gary now in the vicinity of the vehicle and we won't get any further
information until they find him. That could take a very long time. If I was dealing with heat exhaustion I would climb into the coolness of a cave or
beneath some rocks, places that are more difficult to search.
On the other hand, the whole procedure may be stalled waiting for some approval from Mexico City. Stalled for bureaucratic reasons. That would be sad.
Actually the only reason we went from being abducted to being stranded is that they found loose sand beneath the tires. Yet since they moved the
vehicle there is no way of confirming that. You would think that anyone pondering leaving his vehicle in a dash for safety would first do everything
he could to get the car out of the situation. There should be signs of heavy digging around the vehicle with dead cactus and branches and rocks jammed
around the tires. So far nothing like that was reported or confirmed.
[Edited on 3-29-2014 by Skipjack Joe]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
So far nothing like that was reported or confirmed.
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Do I not recall someone saying the tires were flat or low? Perhaps he aired down in an effort to get out.
We'll probably never know what really happened.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
We'll probably never know what really happened. |
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bajaguy
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Maybe, just maybe.....the authorities (and possibly the family) don't want a bunch of amateur sleuths screwing up the area before the authorities
conduct a search or gather evidence.
Why don't we all give it a rest until the family decides what they want to do.
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
by "rat" i mean something isn't kosher here.... why won't SOMEONE say where the car was found? |
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EnsenadaDr
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The worst thing in the world is for the "experts" to criticize people who are interested in the outcome of this situation and want to help. I don't
see how reflecting on this situation can hurt anyone, after all the family (through Blanca, bless her heart) brought it here to begin with.
Questioning a situation is not a sign of ignorance, rather it can be a way for all of us to learn especially the SPOT technology that I was unaware
of. I think we all now agree that this is an indispensable part of our travels out of big cities in Mexico and possibly everywhere when we are away
from our families. To condescend and insult others because they ask questions is the most ignorant action of all. I for one welcome the information
and explanations that many of you have brought here for safety purposes. We have many bright people here on this board and I am amazed each day at
the amount of knowledge they share willingly to enlighten others. The ignorant ones are the people who insult others because someone decides to think
outside the box and doesn't have a police or detective badge posted on their chest. | Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
by "rat" i mean something isn't kosher here.... why won't SOMEONE say where the car was found? |
It could be. It's really unfair to the family. They should complete their report as fast as possible, or at least keep the family abreast of what
they're doing and what their plans are. Most likely they're looking for Gary now in the vicinity of the vehicle and we won't get any further
information until they find him. That could take a very long time. If I was dealing with heat exhaustion I would climb into the coolness of a cave or
beneath some rocks, places that are more difficult to search.
On the other hand, the whole procedure may be stalled waiting for some approval from Mexico City. Stalled for bureaucratic reasons. That would be sad.
Actually the only reason we went from being abducted to being stranded is that they found loose sand beneath the tires. Yet since they moved the
vehicle there is no way of confirming that. You would think that anyone pondering leaving his vehicle in a dash for safety would first do everything
he could to get the car out of the situation. There should be signs of heavy digging around the vehicle with dead cactus and branches and rocks jammed
around the tires. So far nothing like that was reported or confirmed.
[Edited on 3-29-2014 by Skipjack Joe] |
[Edited on 3-29-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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EnsenadaDr
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Dennis, if a car sits around for 6 months or so do the tires lose air automatically? | Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
So far nothing like that was reported or confirmed.
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Do I not recall someone saying the tires were flat or low? Perhaps he aired down in an effort to get out.
We'll probably never know what really happened. |
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Maybe, just maybe.....the authorities (and possibly the family) don't want a bunch of amateur sleuths screwing up the area before the authorities
conduct a search or gather evidence.
Why don't we all give it a rest until the family decides what they want to do.
| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
by "rat" i mean something isn't kosher here.... why won't SOMEONE say where the car was found? |
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Good advice. 
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