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Sharksbaja
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Maybe something about being born on exactly the same day dictates my Nomad fate
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Sharksbaja
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and I hear you....
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajablue
Shark, I hear ya. I am just having a hard time putting my hands around this. So what you are saying is, no one should be grading lots, to build homes,
restaurants and hotels any where on the coast in Baja? Or only golf coarses? I am not trying to drag this on, I am just trying to get to where you are
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Let me give you an analogy:
We have this elk trail that skirts our property. It is well known that Elk and for that matter many animals establish paths and trails on which to
move from one area to another on a regular cycle.
This is necessary and fundamental for a wide range of species in order to propagate and/or feed. Sometimes weather drives animals to take distinct
paths.
The elk in this case are very stubborn and will do anything to continue there migration be it a logging clearcut or a mini-ranch.
As i have been witness to the changes here and the annual sight from our window of these magnificent animals it's testimony of their need.
Surely in Mexico it is different than CA or OR but these corridors are more vital for a variety of species for propagation and existence and is not
well publicized.
It does not behoove a deveoper to locate his golf course 100 yds or so inland. It would make sense in Baja however to leave "wildlife corridors" or
natural land adjacent to any new ones.
On the other point. I do believe coastal tracts should be broken up allowing breathing room.
I know, if it were my property would I like it? No. But these issues are not even considered by zoners. who is the god who delves out the yes or no.
Hell, I don't know.
I kow, I know screw the elk. Or at least shoot the stupid animals for grazing in the clear-cuts.
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Sharksbaja
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Oh, by the way... I only kept posting replys so I could top 1000.
Suckers,  hehehehehehehehe
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bajablue
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Nice analogy and that makes a lot of sense, but you still didn't answer my question. Does this pertain to only golf courses? If someone puts there lot
on that same bluff, is that wrong? I just don't get the "shot across the bow" at only the golf courses.. We both agree that excess in anything, is
never good, so we got that going for us...
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bajablue
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by the way, congrats on 1000. I have a lot of arguements to go and I don't think I have that many, other than golf and insults to others.......
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Sharksbaja
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I really think it pertains to all
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajablue
Nice analogy and that makes a lot of sense, but you still didn't answer my question. Does this pertain to only golf courses? If someone puts there lot
on that same bluff, is that wrong? I just don't get the "shot across the bow" at only the golf courses.. We both agree that excess in anything, is
never good, so we got that going for us... |
Some coastal lands should always be set aside just like they do here in Oregon. Our extensive State Parks & Rec beach area leave plenty of room
for ALL to enjoy.
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bajablue
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I swear this is the
last thing I say on this.. There are over 90 golf courses in San Diego County alone and in Baja, about 10, so I think we are all going to be happy....
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Sharksbaja
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It really is personal issue with me and I have been involved legally and directly involved in the determination of coastal land access involving State
laws therefore protecting my "right of access to public domain" in which I did the general public a service. Today there is public access where once
it was fenced. Good for you and me. This not necessarily a good thing anymore however as far as stress on the tidepools etc.. Especially when the
place is near millions of people.
I think this is thread dead on the vine too. Gnight. Thanx for hearin'.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
It really is personal issue with me and I have been involved legally and directly involved in the determination of coastal land access involving State
laws therefore protecting my "right of access to public domain" in which I did the general public a service. Today there is public access where once
it was fenced. Good for you and me. This not necessarily a good thing anymore however as far as stress on the tidepools etc.. Especially when the
place is near millions of people.
I think this is thread dead on the vine too. Gnight. Thanx for hearin'. |
So what! "Fore!, playing through."
I'll bet none of those wasted access to beach areas stopped the people in Bandon, Ore from building world class golf courses and the people who own
homes there love the price inflation. Wealth building is such a good pastime. It is almost as good of a time as getting laid. Shark, you should try
either of them and take a break from saving the earth. That is unless you are too busy patting yourself on the back.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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jrbaja
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I've always wanted to
hit a hole in one into the Old Faithful geyser. But for some reason, they wouldn't let me. Wonder why?
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jrbaja
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Speaking of front yards,
Seems like a good time for my speed bump story.
When Carol and I were first going out, we used to stay at Quinta del Mar occasionally with friends. One night, we returned late and stayed in my van
because the door was locked to the house.
This house was about 3 blocks from the beach and public restroom. I woke up in the morning with a serious need to go to the bathroom but the house
was still locked.
So I tried to P-nche it while walking to the restroom. I made it almost there and tripped over a speed bump and that was the end of my P-ncheing
it. Down my grey Aftco fishing shorts and into the street it went.
So I go to the restrooms and clean up as best I can and start walking back to the van. By this time, Carol is walking down and starts complaining
about the dogs doing their business right in the street.
I get back to the van in hysterics and lock the doors so I can change, clean up and get away with it. But, Carol gets back and starts about the dogs
again and I can't control myself. I tell her that it wasn't the dogs that did that but you know who.
Well, after our uncontrollable laughter, she helped me out with my "chituation" and we are still together after 17 years. And we still tell the
speed bump story.
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Sharksbaja
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 Good story. It's amazing what a woman will put up with. 23 yrs here of bliss
and still not flaming. We do have strong opinions tho. Gotta go get laid now.
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bajablue
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from tree hugging to fecal matter, this is good entertainment...
I may have to use that story one day....
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jrbaja
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Just don't step in it!
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RJM
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The three critical factors for all wildlife are: water, air and habitat. When a golf course comes into an area it will ruin some habitat that was
critical for a VERY FEW wildlife species (because of the land disturbance) that could exist on scarce water supplies in coastal or desert areas.
However, the water that a golf course brings attracts and holds animals that could never exist on the water starved areas before. Most animals
especially in desert areas are nocturnal and will frequent the edges of courses at night and establish new homes in great quantities around golf
courses that were marginal wildlife habitat before the golf course. Most golf course have to deal with wildlife problem of some sort for the rest of
their existence. In the US, these golf course operators have to apply for special permits from state and federal agencies to deal with their wildlife
problems because most golf courses are a wildlife magnet. This is extremely true in a desert environment.
Next time you make your drive through hundreds and hundreds of miles of Baja desert and farmland, try to convince yourself that a few hundred acres of
green water logged habitat is bad for animals.
The houses, roads and parking lots that come with a new course is a different story and discussion.
Generally, golf courses are a lot better for wildlife than just about any other type of development. Some could argue that they are actually a benefit
to wildlife. When a new course is going to be constructed, wildlife and natural areas should be incorporated into the plan and management should
understand that wildlife problems are a fact of doing business and they should not be so quick to want to destroy native vegetation that can be left
as wildlife habitat. In other words new golf courses should be designed to benefit wildlife. Owners should also not be so quick to kill problem
animals or destroy nests that they have attracted.
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bajablue
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Well said RJM...
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time to kiss and make up....
heres a pic of sharks and gull at their make-up party
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Sharksbaja
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You make a good argument RJM
and didn't have to get nasty, thanks.
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Sharksbaja
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you started it
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
While I have never been a big fan of golf. It may be because I never grew to accel at the sport, not playing more than a few times. Always I have
wondered who these players were.
I grew up catching glimpses on TV of the elite experts vieing for title at Pebble Beach or on Maui. What spectacular views from those places.
Where I grew up in P.V. we had fields of garbanzo beans and strawberries. We actually had to cross these bountiful crrops evreyday on our way down to
surf or fish or dive. What fun we had. For many years.
My love so strong for the lush tidal pools and ocean I mounted historic causes and helpe to forestall coastal development.
I had already seen what was happening statewide to oure shores.
As Skeet mentioned back a ways" stand back and watch it happen. You can't stop it. True, but we managed to slow it's inevitable doom.
Too bad, the area so prolific I did a tomography and bio study for my thesis.
Not any more though. Not much sealife there now. Very sad for me personally. Hey, but theres a golf couse up there on the bluff now, with a big wide
path to the rocks below.
Won't find abs here anymore.
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Here is the problem as I see it . Golf courses built on the ocean shores are problematic if not conpletely ill-conceived.
THe construction in the areas adjacent to beaches is illogical in many respects.
Biological interference with many species and the land pedator, forager interface. Nesting and biodiversity is typically higher along the beachheads.
Nearshore flora can be very fragile and golf courses eliminate a perfect arena for many plants and animals.
The courses afford easy access for multitudes of people.
But only a few own the developments generally. Other nearby developments will spring up filling in any adjacent land.
Why can't we all not enjoy the natural transition between the ocean and the land.
Of course water consupmtion is a another huge issue.
Golf belongs inland. |
No...brainchild, you started it. Now back up what you say with facts.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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