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David K
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Thanks TW... It looks like it will do fine in sand... I will let everyone know.
The Toyos worked at 15 psi. The Cooper STTs at 10 psi.
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comitan
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Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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BAJACAT
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all terrain pro-comps
This are my new Baja shoes, so far I have only take them to Laguna Hanson,but they will be test it on the 09 Matomi trip and then on my March Baja
trip to Loreto..
They are 35"X12.50 R17
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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vgabndo
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This is neither pro nor con, just info.
While cutting firewood in an area of burned Juniper and the occasional Mountain Mahagany, I arrived back at the pavement with a low tire. Upon
checking I found the interesting damage below, and subsequently learned that the tire was irreparable. $100.00 with a 50/50 wear guarantee at Costco.
BFG All Terrain T/A
The stick was about 7/16" in diameter. Rear tire.
Three ply sidewall, but wouldn't that damge be right through all the steel belts?
[Edited on 11-25-2008 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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David K
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Hi Perry,
Why I don't use BFG T/As is I have seen more sidewall punctures on them than standard 2 ply sidewalls... Don't understand why, but me thinks the
sidwall plys on BFG T/As are not that strong, not steel either... ?
Bummer on the puncture... Amo Pescar had a stick go through his brand new BFG T/As on the road to Yubay back in '01.
Edit: The Cooper STT 3 ply sidewalls (told to me to be superior to BFGs from a dealer that sells both) are polyester:
ARMOR-TEK3 CARCASS CONSTRUCTION
Cooper's STT is now 33% stronger in the sidewalls and 2.5 times more resistant to tearing. It's the heavy duty carcass that makes the new STT so
special. In a normal 4WD tyre there are rubber gaps between the sidewall cords. The rubber gaps are the weakest point of the tyre. A nail, a stake or
sharp outback grass can push against the sidewall cord, deflect off and penetrate through the weakest point, (the rubber) and you get a flat. What
Cooper has done is reduce the rubber gaps by taking its outstanding 2 ply STT and added a third ply on an angle (as 8 degree angle). It's called
Armor-Tek3 technology and it's unique to Cooper. While some other 4WD tyres have three plies, none of them have the Armor-Tek3 angle ply.
[Edited on 11-25-2008 by David K]
[Edited on 11-26-2008 by David K]
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pappy
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david - i am on my second set of those coopers-best tire for what we do since those tru-tracs you speak of. i've gone thru nfg's and goodyears fast
and with sidewall or wear issues. the cooper just keeps on trcukin. i got over 40k on my first set without any issues.i think you'll be happy with
them..
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rts551
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Everyone has their own story. Had ATR's on my F250. 5K replaced one for chunking. Dealer said it was the way I drive. 10k 2nd tire chunking.
Dealer said it was the roads I drove on. 15k. 2nd replaced tire split. 50% money back and replaced them with BFG's. 20K. no more problems
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I think any side wall puncher and the tire needs replaced because a patch will not flex with the tire properly. There is very little flex in the tread
area in comparison.
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Ken Cooke
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Luck of the draw
During the 7 day Baja Grande this year, the only tire failure was with my 1 yr. old set of Interco TrXus MTs. Unbelieveable! I actually had a large
thorn puncture the shoulder area of the sidewall/tread, causing the tire to lose air pressure overnight while camped in Gonzaga Bay at Campo Beluga.
I have 2 spares - 1 of which will be mounted and balanced instead of purchasing another new TrXus MT. My next set will be the BFG MT/KM2 since these
ride smoothly and quietly like All-Terrains, but with improved sidewalls, and stick like "glue" on the rocks (according to Ron) who attended Baja
Grande '08.
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Bob and Susan
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you guys better be buying the road hazard policy when you purchase these expensive tires
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
you guys better be buying the road hazard policy when you purchase these expensive tires |
TrXus MT repaired at local Goodyear Tire Center - free of charge!
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David K
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Ken... please, your Baja Grande Trip Report + photos... we are waiting!
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Ken Cooke
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This year was as crazy as the last
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ken... please, your Baja Grande Trip Report + photos... we are waiting!
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I have someone to call in half an hour. Tomorrow morning, I'll get started on everything. It took 2 hrs. to clean up the Jeep, and it still isn't
100% clean yet. I didn't wake up until almost 1 p.m. Mañana, amigo...
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marek
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We run the Toyo Open Country M/T on our truck. I suspect I'll get about 35,000-40,000 miles out of them and they take a beating. Our truck is heavy
and we run them soft for miles on end. On this last trip, we sustained a slash from the rim to the tread on the sidewall that was probably about a
half an inch deep. No leaks, no worries.
For an agressive tread, they are relatively quiet on the road. Traction is excellent, and as long as you don't goose it too hard in the sand, they
float over just about everything.
I honestly can say that I probably won't purchase another type of tire for this truck.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by marek
We run the Toyo Open Country M/T on our truck. I suspect I'll get about 35,000-40,000 miles out of them and they take a beating. Our truck is heavy
and we run them soft for miles on end. On this last trip, we sustained a slash from the rim to the tread on the sidewall that was probably about a
half an inch deep. No leaks, no worries.
For an agressive tread, they are relatively quiet on the road. Traction is excellent, and as long as you don't goose it too hard in the sand, they
float over just about everything.
I honestly can say that I probably won't purchase another type of tire for this truck. |
I would sure like to hear the Toyo M/T to compare to the Cooper Discoverer STT (almost the same type tread), which was very loud (even though their
info said it was made with 'quiet technology'). They sure look good, however!
My Toyo A/Ts sure didn't provide the life I expected out of them... that's why I am trying the Cooper ATRs.
Thanks Marek!
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Ken Cooke
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| Quote: | | Originally posted by David KMy Toyo A/Ts sure didn't provide the life I expected out of them... that's why I am trying the Cooper ATRs.
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How many miles did you get out of them?
Did you run these tires on dirt roads w/gravel, and lots of worn asphalt? That may have something to do with the mileage you got out of them. 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
| Quote: | | Originally posted by David KMy Toyo A/Ts sure didn't provide the life I expected out of them... that's why I am trying the Cooper ATRs.
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How many miles did you get out of them?
Did you run these tires on dirt roads w/gravel, and lots of worn asphalt? That may have something to do with the mileage you got out of them. |
Ken, go up about 20 replies for the answer, and photos of the three, after BFG... Here it is with some added details:
So, here is a quick history of tires on my '05 Tacoma:
BFG Rugged Trails 0-25,000 miles (ie. 25,000 miles)
Cooper Discoverer STTs 25,000-60,000 (57K & 63K) miles (ie. ~35,000 miles)
Toyo Open Country A/Ts 60,000 (57K & 63K)-85,000 miles (ie. ~25,000 miles)
Cooper Discoverer ATRs: 85,000 - ?
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Yes, I could have gotten perhaps 5,000 more miles out of them... But, I don't like having almost no tread on my tires... You are more suseptable to
flats with less rubber... gas milage and traction is also reduced. I am running the recommended pressure for the load, and have my alignment checked
and adjusted if needed.
As for what I drive on... the same roads and highways as the rest of us in San Diego... all very good, no pot holes, etc. Only the trips to Baja to
give them a bit of dirt... not a big enough % to matter in the whole life of the tire.
I would like to hear from other Tacoma owners an honest mileage their tires last. My previous ('01) Tacoma also required new tires at ~30,000 miles
+/-. 2 sets of BFG Rugged Trail T/As & 2 sets of Cooper/ Futura Dakotas.
Because 98% of the time I am on pavement, the tire that is quiet running is more important than the really cool looking (STT, MT, etc.) off road
tires... Most of my four wheeling is in deep sand (Shell Island), and a highway tread works much better at floating than an aggressive mud tread,
which digs into the sand.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Because 98% of the time I am on pavement, the tire that is quiet running is more important than the really cool looking (STT, MT, etc.) off road
tires... Most of my four wheeling is in deep sand (Shell Island), and a highway tread works much better at floating than an aggressive mud tread,
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I agree with that statement completely. Driving our Xterra 95% on asphalt roads at highway speed, road noise and longevity are my 2 top priorities.
I have been running Michelin tires for years and without exception I get over 50,000 miles on 4 wheel drive vehicles.
F250 4x4 diesel with 10' camper
Toyota SR5 PU 4x4
Both of these had/have LTX m&s
I currently am trying their new AT/2's which have a little more agressive tread but are as quiet, and with 20,000 miles they are sure to last at least
another 30,000 miles as well.
I just went through Titus Canyon in Death Valley over loose rock and some soft sand and they performed well.
Ken
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David K
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Thanks Ken... my web host uses them and loves them (Costco sells 'em).
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Skipjack Joe
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Got about 60,000 miles on the Tacoma with BFG M/T tires. They went everywhere but were unbelievably noisey. Had them replaced with Michelin AT/2 tires
from costco and now I can actually hear the engine. Did some 4WD driving so far but nothing serious. I'm expecting more than 60,000 miles on the
Michelins. I don't think I could afford to replace tires every 25,000 miles.
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