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Slowmad
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It's official: This thread has devolved into a bunch of old mossbacks banging their canes on the porch.
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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MrBillM
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Conclusions ?
Although I tend to think I'm beyond surprise, a comment will come along and surprise me again.
WHAT in my measured comments, would provoke Osprey to assume that I have a negative attitude towards Sport Fishing ? The comments
themselves only questioned what statistics there were available to support the contention that the degradation of the Sport Fishery would have a
substantial negative effect on Foreign Dollars in Baja. It seems a reasoned, rational question. I don't know, but having witnessed the direction
Baja is heading, it seems that Sport Fishing will become a smaller contributor by percentage as time goes on.
How much Fishing do I do today ? Due to back problems, a heck of a lot less than I would like. I've been Fresh-Water fishing since I was 10 years or
less and I've fished the Pacific off of Southern California from piers, barges (Redondo Beach) and boats (commercial and my own) out to Catalina and
San Clemente Islands since about the same age. I still remember fishing off of Ensenada in the late 50s when you could fill the boat with Yellowtail
and Barracuda at will. Time and again we made trips to San Felipe to fish from the rented Pangas.
I wish nothing but the best for the Sport Fishing Industry and the people who enjoy it. Nonetheless, facts are facts and wishing won't make them
different. Others said that Mexico was making a big mistake that would result in a net loss of Foreign revenue. I questioned what factual
Knowledge we had to support that analysis.
Talk about shooting the messenger.
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Slowmad, us old Crank Yankers live to make you whipper snappers unhappy and bored. One day, if you still have your faculties, a porch, a cane, you
can try it.
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Slowmad
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
Slowmad, us old Crank Yankers live to make you whipper snappers unhappy and bored. One day, if you still have your faculties, a porch, a cane, you
can try it. |
Touché.
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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wilderone
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Analysis and factual knowledge abundant:
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:A1yg7cnCHu0J:billfish.org/files/A%2520Short%2520Review%2520of%2520Existing%2520Scientific%2520Justification%2520of
%2520the%2520B.doc+statistics,+baja+ca,+sportfishing&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=us
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Here it is in text. Now imagine all the newly permitted boats which hope to take advantage of the new regs; all the unpermitted boats, and all the
existing permits - all within the sportfishers' range. I think it's safe to assume the by-catch will be wasted, at least in any event, not available
for the sportfisherman. The past protections are now gone when they're needed the most.
A Short Review of Existing Scientific Justification of the Fisheries
Benefits of Mexico’s Fifty Mile and Core Area Conservation Zones. April 26, 2004
Russell S. Nelson, PhD1, The Billfish Foundation
Introduction : Between 1984 and 1987 Mexico established reserve areas extending fifty miles from the nation’s coast and two larger “core area”
conservation zones (off Cabo San Lucas and Salina Cruz) in which the commercial utilization of certain species of fish ( sailfish, striped marlin,
blue marlin, black marlin, swordfish, dolphinfish, roosterfish and tarpon) was prohibited. These areas were established to provide extra protection
to these fish species upon which Mexico’s sport fishing industry is heavily dependent. In recent months controversy over proposed regulation of
longline and drift gillnet gear proposed in a new shark management plan (Norma 029), has called into question the justification for maintaining these
zones. In this short report we review the history of longline exploitation of the pelagic apex predator fishes off Mexico’s west coast and existing
research which is relevant to the biological implications of increasing commercial fishing effort in the conservation zones.
History of exploitation : The use of high seas longline gear began with the expansion of Japanese distant waters fleets beginning in the early 1950s.
Japanese longliners began accessing resources off the west coast of Mexico in 1964 and continued fishing within 200 miles of the coast until the late
1980s, with fishing effort continuing beyond 200 miles through the present. Attachment 1 shows the historical catch-per-unit-effort (CPUE) for tunas
and billfishes of the Japanese high seas longline fleet over this period. CPUE off Mexico’s Pacific coast peaked in the early 1960s at rates of 3-4
tuna and billfish per 100 hooks and recent years have seen catches within 600 miles of the coast at rates of 1-2 fish per 100 hooks. This data is
consistent with the overall observed reductions in CPUE for tunas, billfish and sharks in the larger sub-Tropical Pacific on the order of
approximately 50% to 90% (Figure 1) (Myers and Worm 2003). Landings data from the IATTC for blue and black marlin show similar declines over the last
decade (Figure 2 and 3). United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization catch data from this period also document the significant reductions in
billfish catch across this time (FAO 2003)
This long history of exploitation and the apparent reduction in CPUE over this period of time lent support to Mexico’s efforts in the 1980s to end the
cooperative fishing agreement which allowed Japan to fish within the 200 mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). Squires and Au (1988) studied the
effects of this Japanese fishing effort on catch rates of the Cabo San Lucas based sports fishing fleets. They concluded that the longline effort was
causing a localized depletion of striped marlin in the Pacific Ocean off the coast of Baja and Baja California Sur, and that this depletion was the
source of reduced catch rates by the Cabo sports fleet. The results of this unique study were used to support the establishment of the Core Area
Conservation Zones. The marlin resources of the Mexican Pacific have been subject to a long history of longline fishing with commiserate declines in
stocks. The only significant conservation regulations in place for these fishes are the 50 mile protected zone and the Core Area closures.
Unfortunately an adequate and accurate time series of Mexican commercial or recreational catch statistics does not exist (Ramirez 1988; Sala et al
2004) from which to analyze the effects of fishing on a finer scale. However, anecdotal interview data taken from sport fishing captains and
commercial fishers (SEAWATCH 2004) show opinions consistent with overall reductions of apex predator species (marlins, swordfish, tunas, sharks) in
the waters of the Baja Pacific and Gulf of California on the order of the 50% to 90% reported by Myers and Worm for the entire sub-Tropical Pacific.
Status of striped marlin : As of this writing there exists no definitive assessment of the status of striped marlin stocks in the eastern Pacific.
Recent assessment work by staff of the Inter-American Tropical Tuna Commission indicates that information is needed to define the geographic
distribution of this species in the eastern Pacific (Robin Lewis 2003). If a single striped marlin stock exists models indicate that the stock
biomass is approximately that which will sustain Maximum Sustainable Yield (MSY). If separate stocks exist north and south of the Equator the
southern stock is fully exploited and the northern stock is seriously overfished and has been reduced to about 50% of the level that will support MSY.
At present ongoing genetics research and tagging efforts are being undertaken to address this question. Stock status of striped marlin is uncertain,
but the majority of the data indicates that at best, the species is fully exploited, at worst seriously overfished, and additional fishing effort and
mortality on the species is not warranted.
Two ongoing research efforts are yielding information which is useful in considering the management needs of striped marlin in Mexico. Southern
California U.S.A. marks the northern limit for the species in the eastern Pacific. The striped marlin which migrate to that area in the late summer
months are believed to come from Mexico. CPUE in the recreational fishery in southern California has declined consistently over the last 30 years
(Nelson 2004). Figure 4 shows these historical trends from long term data sets maintained by angling clubs and
a striped marlin tournament in southern California. All three data sets indicate a decline in numbers. Weight data taken from the Avalon Tuna Club
shows a similar decline in annual average weight and the frequency of large (> 200 pounds) fish over the same 30 year period (Nelson 2004). Such
declines in abundance and mean size of fish are singularly accurate indicators of overfishing (Dayton et al 2002).
Over the past three years detachable satellite transmitting tags have been placed on 146 striped marlin in the Pacific, with 115 of these placed on
fish taken at Bahia Magdelena (Domeir 2004). These tags are programmed to remain attached to a fish for a predetermined period of time and then to
release. Upon release the tags float to the surface and transmit via satellite information on the geographic and depth movements of the fish while
tagged. Figure 5 shows the area in which all 115 striped marlin tagged off Baja traveled during 1 to 289 days at liberty. The majority of the fish
were at large for more than 90 days. No fish traveled further south than the Guatemala border. The fact that no fish were observed moving north to
southern California is likely an artifact of the November and December tagging effort. Of five striped marlin tagged in Ecuador and one in Costa Rica
no northward movement has been observed into the area utilized by the fish tagged off Mexico. Other tagging efforts in the western Pacific similarly
reveal that striped marlin seem to generally form localized groups or stocks associated with major land masses (Domeir 2004).
We can conclude a few things from these two new pieces of information. The declining CPUE in southern California would be consistent with preliminary
IATTC modeling results indicating an overfished northern stock of striped marlin in the eastern Pacific. The tagging data also seems to support the
fact that there is a discreet stock of fish remaining north of Central America. While not absolutely conclusive this information does also support a
cautious approach to managing striped marlin.
The satellite tagging data is clearly conclusive of one point. The striped marlin which support Mexico’s sport fisheries are almost entirely under
the control of Mexican management. The fish do move far offshore, but seem to maintain a consistent latitudinal affinity with Mexico’s northern and
southern borders. Even the present 50 mile conservation zone serves to protect striped marlin in only a narrow part of their range off Mexico.
Clearly the actions taken by Mexico will have the paramount impacts on the abundance of this group or stock of fish.
The future health of this resource lies in Mexico’s hands.
Status of the fisheries of the Sea of Cortez
Recently Sala et al (2004) have documented the shift in fisheries within the Sea of Cortez from large, long-live pelagic and demersal species to lower
food web species of lesser commercial value (Figure 6). The declines they documented resulted from dramatic increases in fishing effort in the 1970s
and early 1980s.
Figure 7 shows the shifts in catches by trophic level and size between 1970 and the present. This fishing down the food web phenomena has been
described for other overfished ocean ecosystems around the world (Pauly et al 1998).
In documenting the general decline in trophic level and mean size in these fisheries the authors conclude: “The overall patterns of species shifts,
and decline of CPUE and mean trophic level indicate that coastal fisheries in the southern Gulf of California are unsustainable.” The authors contend
that immediate reductions in fishing effort and increased enforcement of existing regulations are needed to restore these stocks to sustainable
levels.
The trend in stock abundance seen here is the same as that seen for the previously described fisheries for marlin and other apex predators.
Conclusions : Although a lack of adequate fisheries dependent data precludes the use of most quantitative assessment techniques for the species of
concern in Mexican Pacific waters, the overriding conclusion that can be drawn from the limited existing data is that further increases in fishing
effort are ill advised. Further, if Mexico is to support sustainable production of commercial and sport fisheries in these waters, reductions in
effort and fishing mortality will be necessary.
Clearly any actions taken to increase effort and mortality on these stocks will have negative consequences for the future of Mexico’s sport fishing
fleets and the production of food. An expansion of effort within the historically protected 50 mile zones and Core Areas will increase the risk of
collapse of these valuable resources.
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mike odell
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Another update,
On the the Baja Pony express,
One long time resident Mossy back Fogy, says in his sage wisdom to the gringo masses, Oh! Shat! what ever you do, dont physicaly get involved in
protesting this New fishiing rule,Imigration is watching!!!!!!!!! But I do support all the effort as I fish too! To which I repy ,Up Yours With A
Rusty Boathook!! Im not ready to turn my Penn 50 wides into toilet paper holders as was suggested today.
And also Up Yours El Migre!
 
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Skeet/Loreto
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"YOUTH THINKS ITS HAVING FUN. AGE KNOWS WHEN IT IS"
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Skeet/Loreto
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A suggestion on "How to stop the Physical Acts aganist Fishing with very Little effort;
Several years ago at the Annual RattleSnake Festival Protesters showed up to try and make a Statement about the Catching and Eating and SKinning the
Rattlers.
On the Night following the First Day of Protest there appeared in the Vehicles and Motels Rooms of the Protesters, several very Large and Active
Rattlers.
Got their Attention--They left with their Tails between their Legs.
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MrBillM
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Rattler Attacks
I hate to nitpick on consistency, but Skeet appears to be not only condoning, but lauding, a very Un-Christian act.
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Skeet/Loreto
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"If you are going To Dance, You must Pay the Fiddler"!!
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What? Snakecharming? What religion is that anyhoo?
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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So let me get this straight, if I protest the Shark Norm, then I should always look the doors to my vehicle and stay way from motels otherwise I might
be a victim of large and active bycatch?
If I choose to dance, I'll bring my own music. Skeet can keep his fiddling to himself.
P<*)))><
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Jorge
| Quote: | Originally posted by mike odell
Im not ready to turn my Penn 50 wides into toilet paper holders as was suggested today.
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Can't blame you there, although the Cabo would be a very nice bathroom! Ouch!
Anybody turtled any boats on the can lately at Rcho. Leonero or am I the last idiot to do that? 
[Edited on 5-23-2007 by Don Jorge] |
THAT sounds like a good U2U story.
Boat is still at Rincon...........I'm out of Vaseline, can you help?
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Hook
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I will perform an old Indian ghost dance before bed, Jorge.
Get em.
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Skeet/Loreto
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Trigger Fish would do a right Smart Job on their Skinny Butts!
Has great Teeth for Biting their Butts.
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In protest of SHARK NOM-029 I sent off emails to all the addresses suggested and look below to see what I received back a couple of days later! Can
you believe this @orse @hit!! It also included an attachment in Spanish which I couldn't read and think it's probably the Spanish version of this same
one.
DEAR MR./ MS.:
I would like to inform you the federal government throughout CONAPESCA has elaborate and publish the NOM-029 to promote the sustainable exploitation
of sharks and rays and to contribute with the conservation of elasmobranches and other bycatch species.
The NOM-029 is an obligation for owners of sharks and rays permits or authorizations and for all those who catch these species incidentally.
Before the NOM-029, there was no regulation for the exploitation of those fisheries (just some administrative dispositions to don´t increase the
fishing effort). Any commercial fishermen could fish anywhere any time.
The NOM-029 includes areas and fishing gear restrictions that will help out not only to promote the conservation of sharks, rays and bycatch species,
but also to benefit all stakeholders (including commercial and reacreative
fishermen) and reduce the conflicts among them.
In addition, the NOM-029 is also an international accomplishment with FAO.
For these reasons, I want to tell you that the NOM-029 is a strategic tool for taking care of our natural resources and to avoid the overexplotation
of sharks, rays and other bycatch species.
The Federal Government will be following the impacts of the NOM- 029 in order to make sure that our measures promote the conservation and sustainable
exploitation of marine resources.
There is wrong information and misunderstandings about the NOM-029, please don' support it.
*****
Héctor Ulises Estrada Ley
Subdirector de Comunicación Social
[Comunicación Social/Diseño e Imagen, Mercadotecnia y Publicidad]
t. 915.69.00 e. 1122 f . 1106
Just do it!
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Don Alley
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The commercials have been trying for years to get inside the 50 mile limit and inside the Sea of Cortez to take dorado and billfish.
Now they have suceeded by loading NOM 029 with a coat of greenwash.
Has anyone seen any defense of NOM 029 that does not ignore the removal of the 50 mile limit and the inclusion of billfish and dorado as bycatch? 
And my guess is that we will continue to be able to smell the nearby decaying carcasses of small, undersized sharks while on the white sand beaches of
our so-called Marine Park at Loreto.
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Oh yea! I'll take all the bycatch I can get.  Once it's caught it's pretty much
bye-bye, no matter how you you slice it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
widerone! We've got to give 'em a break. |
Even though it may already be too late .... that shouldn't stop us
from doing all we can to slow it down ..... although , I do believe the search for protein for those six billion on this planet is not going to
abate.... God, I pray I'm wrong. CaboRon 
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