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Don Alley
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Sunday morning, 7:00 AM. Low tide (approx -1.30).
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Don Alley
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The new concrete:
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Maybe it's just the photo but that does not look like a properly prepared substrate with a min. 5 inches of concrete...
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
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backninedan
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Bus, it is about 5" thick, with lots of re-bar. I don"t know if thats properly prepaired or not.
Just got back from the marina and they are going at it hard. The remaining half of the ramp is almost stripped of the old concrete. They have been
working 7 days a week in 100 degree heat, if it doesn't get finished by tourny time, it sure isnt the workers fault.
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Jeez! A 20'x50' slab on a slight incline? Factor in the tide etc. Who the heck is running the operation? They should have been finished and gone in 4 days at the max.
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backninedan
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4 days Idaho time is about two weeks here, mas o menos. It's kinda like dog years.
[Edited on 6-17-2007 by backninedan]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by backninedan
..... It's kinda like dog years. |
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Guess they don't have a unlimited supply of illegals to do all the heavy hand work.
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flyfishinPam
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Hi there,
so any reasonable assesment on when this thing appears that it will be useable? I know nada about construction so asking because this affects how we
need to work this season. My Captain Fidel commented that the old ramp used large concrete forms placed at the waterline which went below the
waterline. He is concerned that this poured concrete will end up breaking at the base where the concrete meets the soil, over time and that will be
difficult for boats launching. Any opinions here on that? I think they're working fairly quickly on this but something will go wrong, it always does
here, what that will be is anyone's guess. Remember all the streets in town were supposed to be completed in May! Now it looks as though they have
at least 6 months work ahead of them or more at the rate they're moving on it.
Beach launching is working out well for the pangas. How are the other larger boats doing?
The first tournament is Saturday, this ramp won't be ready by then. The second is the Vagabundos tournament which I think is the first weekend in
July, and the thirs is the Fishing for the Mission tournament which is on the 12th,13th and 14th. Then there's all those local and visiting boats
that need to also accommodate. Wonder how this is effecting evaryone's fishing trips and expenses destined for vacations. That is $30 per boat per
day that won't be spent on a local taco stand or gift shop, etc.
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Alley
The new concrete:
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Pam,
If this is the lower section and they are planning to pour uphill from there, they may eventually have a problem at the joint. They should have left
rebar sticking out of the first pour to connect to the second and third pours, etc.
if the tidal action begins to undermine the lower slab, things will get interesting.
It should last a few years or until the next big storm !
Timeframe ?? Come'on, you're in Baja.
It could theoretically all be poured within 2 days and useable within a few days after that; theoretically !
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Don Alley
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These guys had a little trouble getting through the loose gravel higher on the beach, it looked like no 4x4.
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Don Alley
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Back just a little more. And I think these Pacific plate aluminum boats are light, probably much easier to beach launch than a big glass boat.
[Edited on 6-18-2007 by Don Alley]
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backninedan
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My 22 foot tin boat beach launches just fine (with 4X4). Pam, I talked to a vacationer yesterday down at the loading dock and he was pretty peeed at
not having any notice on the ramp repair. He said it had ruined his trip and he wouldn't be coming back to Loreto again.
Not saying he is justified or not, just giving his reaction to the re-build.
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Capt. George
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and the pueblo loses out big time. What a shame. I can't believe it's stupidity, no one running a town could possibly be this stupid. It has to be
arrogance and a sheer disregard for anything sensible.
there are lots of other places besides Loreto, this could cost a lot of people, an awful lot of business. What a disgrace. I ran a small business n a
tourist community, ya only got so much time to make your bread. Well, we know the local politicos will still get there checks, theyoughta be locked
up instead!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
It cures slowly but thoroughly under water. On dry land, calcium chloride can be added to the mix to accelerate drying. It would probably work
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Except that calcium chloride will accelerate the degradation of the rebar...
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DENNIS
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Use Mexican calcium chloride. Dog years. Remember?
There should be a footing at the edge of the slab, where it ends. Lots of weight at the edge is like a lever. It would probably be the first part
to show disintegration.
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LaTijereta
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Originally posted by Don Alley
The new concrete:
The concrete looks a little rough at the bottom? Is that the real finish?
Democracy is like two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
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kellychapman
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well long time no posts.....as a result of my computor getting some tequilla in it late one night while posting..... has taken 7 months to get the problem fixed.....just like the roads in Loreto....the
reason why I left for awhile....it sucks bigtime and now I see they have torn up the marina...for goodness sakes what on earth where they
thinking????? I am embarressed to see the way they have done our beautiful town and had to leave until the streets are completed because I cannot
stand all the dirt filled with crap that blows around...hope it gets completed soon so life can get back to normal in beautiful Loreto.....
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flyfishinPam
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The bottom Don showed is really the bottom. That concrete was poured on Saturday morning as I send off the boats. Yesterday (Sunday) as I sent the
boats one of the workers was walking at the base and those holes are his footprints. I think it looks like shoddy work but I know nada about
construction. There's no footing at the bottom of that slab there's rebar but its poured directly over the soil. Doesn't the salt affect the
concrete like some of the older buildings in town that once used beach sand? Maybe this is a special cement that doesn't do that.
Yes George the timing on this is beyond stoopid. See some of my comments at the first part of this thread, I think it is an effort to anger average
citizens here to the point of vacating and making room for the rich beautiful people and their yachts, jets and fancy cars. Us average working people
are taking up their prime space so they want us out but they will leave the very poor around so they can have their toilets cleaned then they'll be
shipped to some worker encampment out of town until their next day's work.
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