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Cypress
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Also had a wierd Border Patrol encounter north of Yuma on a state HWY. Regular checkpoint, several uniformed agents, broad dayliight. Emptied my rig,
searched with K-9, was asked all sorts of questions. Examples " Have you ever been in prison?" "Do you do drugs, smoke pot?". Made me spread eagle
while they frisked me. I was very polite and cooperative. To top it of I had to replace all the stuff they pulled from my truck, both up in the cab
and under the canopy. The govt. guys south of the border treat me with much more courtesy etc.
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fixtrauma
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As I was reading this thread through from the beginning I thought that there had to be a U-haul component to it somewhere!
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Howard
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So, are you are you or are you not going to report this to the authorities?
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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oldlady
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Reasonable suspicion is less constricting on law enforcement than probable or reasonable cause and has been upheld by the courts for quite awhile
particularly in situations where law enforcement stops a vehicle.
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BAJACAT
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This story remind me of one about a death body in Catavina, the only difference is that this one is real.
I hope your mom gets well, I still have my two parents, my dad is 88 years old and still strong..
Ps. the death body story is not the one about the italian tourist..
[Edited on 4-10-2009 by BAJACAT]
BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
Reasonable suspicion is less constricting on law enforcement than probable or reasonable cause and has been upheld by the courts for quite awhile
particularly in situations where law enforcement stops a vehicle. |
And resonable suspicion is a gringo in a vehicle with Baja plates? That is enough to stop, detain, search and treat with total disrespect? If so,
that is a really sad statement of where we are in this country.
If anyone on this board had been treated this way at one of the Mexican army stops, everyone would be screaming loud and long.
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k-rico
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An email to the two CA senators would be a good idea if you want to report it. Telling the cops about it won't do much good. I once wrote both
senators about an issue and was surprised when I heard back from both of them.
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soulpatch
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Border Patrol can detain within, I believe, 100 miles of the border with no probable cause.....I am wrong often, though.
I am most often treated professionally in south of the line inspections but there have been a few times where they were complete jerks and one time
they were drunk, high and very aggressive and I just took off.
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mulegemichael
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the border patrol is REALLY out of control at this point...case in point; my farm manager is mexican and a naturalized U.S. citizen as is his wife and
three kids...he's run my farm in my absence for over 10 years and is an upstanding member of our community,(in washington state).
Last month, while we were in mulege for the winter, he was at a friends house in town,(sequim, washington), helping to work on a vehicle with some
other buddies...all of a sudden, the door was kicked in, and in piled a half dozen border patrol, guns drawn...my guy raised his hands and tried to
tell them he was a citizen and was rewarded with a face plant and a bloody nose, then was cuffed, along with all the rest of the guys.......now...is
that reasonable force?....i was in law enforcement for 20 yrs and that doesn't comply with any of the guidelines i was taught...they are out of
control..
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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Howard
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So, are you or are you not going to report this to the authorities? If you don't that is your choice, however in my opinion if you do not, it just
will allow this jerk and their procedures to continue.
I still beleive in the good old USA (OK, maybe not the stimulus package) and as naive as I may be, I think that if it goes on this idiots record, he
will get what he has coming in the long run.
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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Pescador
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
I have two observations.
First, who the hell goes 65mph between Oceanside and San Clemente?
Second, you can blame Cheney for this crap. Gonna take years before we ratchet down this frenzy based on 9/11.
And, most important, we are all hoping the best for your mom. |
Look Odd Boy, you recently requested that political crap be posted in the political section and then you go and disrespect your own suggestions. I am
glad you have an opinion but it was not really needed here and since the elections are over try to just deal with the facts and don't try to play cool
and continue with the political bashing.
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Cypress
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mulegemichael, Agree! If I'd made one wrong move during my encounter that would have been my fate.
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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Howard
This is still America, not some 3rd world Bull S--t country and our government employees MUST treat it's citizens with respect and not with strong
arm tactics.
I am not old enough to actually experience it (Thank God) but it almost sound like Germany in the 1930's!
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Don't know how many Border Patrol agents are jerks, or even how many Border Patrol agents there are but there will be 10's of thousands in Obama's new
Civilian National Security Force (CNSF) and they will be trained to be armed jerks. Recruitment for CNSF has already started under the auspices of the
new DoD 1404.10 direrctive (google it, and I realize that this should be a new thread on off-topic)
Bob Durrell
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comitan
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Pescador
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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Bajahowodd
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Sr. Fisherman- So, you really don't believe that there is a connection between overzealous law enforcement and the paranoia that was whipped up after
9/11?
Seriously, I do believe that political opinion generally does not belong on the main boards. But, in this case, it just seemed to fit. Sorry if I have
transgressed.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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Ron I am sorry to hear about your mom and I hope she recovers soon. I will say a prayer for her.
That person who pulled you over is just a plain A**-Hole (Adam-Henry). Any police officer whether federal, state, county, or city, who, pulls someone
over in an unmarked car wearing civilian clothing, then does not have the courtesy of showing an official picture ID is again just a plain Adam-Henry.
What made this Adam-Henry even a bigger one is the way he conducted himself and the way he did the search. I do not know what probable cause or
reasonable suspicion, if any the border patrol needs to conduct a car-stop then a search but what happened to you does not sound right. I think you at
least have a legitimate complaint. Then again I may just running off at the mouth. At a bare minimum he needs a good verbal A-whipping from his
bosses.
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Cypress
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Pescador!!! Thanks!!!
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BajaGeoff
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Sorry to hear about your mom BajaGringo. Glad she is stable.
This agent sounds like a real jerk and I think you should absolutely report the incident. His behavior was totally out of line and unacceptable.
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24baja
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Senior BajaGringo,
My prayers are with you and all of your family as your mom continues on her journey. As we progress in age and our bodies give up it becomes
increasingly hard for our families to accept at times and the only consolation I have to offer you is that the some of best times I had with my
Grandfather were when I spent his last weeks with him, caring for him, it was then that I realized what an honour it was to be his granddaughter and
although I was losing him I charished each and every moment, and still do. God Bless.
Now to your story, I was so drawn up in this that when I awoke this morning my first thought was "Oh boy, the story could be finished, then I thought,
yeah just your luck he would say it was just a dream and he woke up".... Boy was I wrong, sorry you had to go through what you did and although I do
not feel that the officer in question needed to be rude and hasty in his assumptions, I can kind of understand his duties and orders. That said, I
hope that this kind of thing doesn't continue to happen on either side of the border.
Be careful out there, it is a strange world we live in! Connie
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Paula
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This sounds more like a highway intimidation program than a highway intervention program! There is no reason for law enforcement to behave this way
EVER, no matter what your nationality, race, or personal appearance. This guy was a thug, and his supervisor was no better.
If it happened to me I would send a letter to my senators, with carbon copies to the governor's office, and the departments of homeland security and
immigration. And I might make a formal complaint against the officers.
As a society we shouldn't tolerate this kind of bullying by so-called law enforcement.
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