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woody with a view
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eggsackly!
i can picture many spots with a 2-3 mile straight and the sign says, "60 kph"!!!!!!!!
Neptune willing, we'll be testing the outer limits of an internal combustion engine in 16 days, and a wake-up! lock up the kids and small furry
animals......
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rocmoc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by viabaja
Who the hell drives that road at the posted limit? |
We do/WILL! Over 10,000 miles on the mainland at speed limit.
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
[Edited on 10-14-2009 by rocmoc]
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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MrBillM
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Legally Feeling Good !
Viabaja asks: "Who the hell drives that road at the posted limit" ?
And, the answer is those who wish to feel good about themselves and how repsonsible they're being in their journey across Mother Earth in tune with
Nature and their fellow-man, Thoreau's thoughts on strict adherence to laws notwithstanding.
It's a bunch of Crap, but it makes them feel good.
Given the speeds at which Internal Combustion engines operate most efficiently, perhaps there should be a study done on the effect of slowing for
these abnormally low limits and then accelerating again. IF it turns out that there is an additional fuel factor involved, then those who adher to
those changes when it doesn't involve traffic safety are being wasteful of a limited natural resource. Would that mitigate their positive Karma for
being rigid adherents to arbitrary government dictates ?
Enquiring mInds wonder.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Given the speeds at which Internal Combustion engines operate most efficiently, perhaps there should be a study done on the effect of slowing for
these abnormally low limits and then accelerating again. IF it turns out that there is an additional fuel factor involved, then those who adher to
those changes when it doesn't involve traffic safety are being wasteful of a limited natural resource. Would that mitigate their positive Karma for
being rigid adherents to arbitrary government dictates ?
Enquiring mInds wonder. |
Billy,
we already know that unnecessary accelerating/braking and speeding waste fuel. more importantly, y'all should be driving an econo car and towing
mountain bikes instead of ATVs. you should give up your power boats and be as one with a sailboat.
live heart healthy!
give a hoot, don't pollute!
yes we can!
[Edited on 10-14-2009 by mtgoat666]
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MrBillM
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Living Responsibly During the Warming
Driving the MOST Economical vehicle at the MOST Economical Speed is OUR responsibility in this time of Global Wounding. One thought that comes to
mind is:
IF the most economical speed for our vehicle is DIFFERENT from the posted speed, are we then morally obligated to drive at that most economical speed
to aid in healing our planet home ?
Another thought that occurs is that, by driving at ALL in pursuit of pleasure, aren't we being selfish and irresponsible ? Rather than wastefully
driving ANYWHERE that is not necessary, shouldn't we park that Hybrid Eco Vehicle at home and read a book ? Avoiding TV or any other Electrical
extravagance, of course. The reading should preferably be done during daylight hours to avoid the unnecessary use of said electricity.
IF we all just stayed home, wherever that is, our planet would heal more quickly.
Just an idea.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Driving the MOST Economical vehicle at the MOST Economical Speed is OUR responsibility in this time of Global Wounding. One thought that comes to
mind is:
IF the most economical speed for our vehicle is DIFFERENT from the posted speed, are we then morally obligated to drive at that most economical speed
to aid in healing our planet home ?
Another thought that occurs is that, by driving at ALL in pursuit of pleasure, aren't we being selfish and irresponsible ? Rather than wastefully
driving ANYWHERE that is not necessary, shouldn't we park that Hybrid Eco Vehicle at home and read a book ? Avoiding TV or any other Electrical
extravagance, of course. The reading should preferably be done during daylight hours to avoid the unnecessary use of said electricity.
IF we all just stayed home, wherever that is, our planet would heal more quickly.
Just an idea. |
we should be working on spaceships so after we ruin this mother earth we can abandon the earth for greener pastures.
or maybe it would be easier if we had population control 
mr bill, i am impressed, we traded comments w/o an insult. now if i see you on the OT, i will rip you a new one
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Driving the MOST Economical vehicle at the MOST Economical Speed is OUR responsibility in this time of Global Wounding. One thought that comes to
mind is:
IF the most economical speed for our vehicle is DIFFERENT from the posted speed, are we then morally obligated to drive at that most economical speed
to aid in healing our planet home ?
Another thought that occurs is that, by driving at ALL in pursuit of pleasure, aren't we being selfish and irresponsible ? Rather than wastefully
driving ANYWHERE that is not necessary, shouldn't we park that Hybrid Eco Vehicle at home and read a book ? Avoiding TV or any other Electrical
extravagance, of course. The reading should preferably be done during daylight hours to avoid the unnecessary use of said electricity.
IF we all just stayed home, wherever that is, our planet would heal more quickly.
Just an idea. |
The answer is yes if you are an Amish-Mennonite. But most of the rest of us indeed pleasure ourselves in more liberal ways. 
Regarding speed limits, three thoughts come to mind: the law and tickets, safety for oneself and others, and fuel economy. Obviously, not everyone
considers all three, nor in that particular order.
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Barry A.
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ToneArt--------Yep, I totally agree with your priorities vis-a-vis speed limits, and in the same order. Ahhhhhh, the left and the right coming
together, again------gives me goose bumps!!!
Barry
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
ToneArt--------Yep, I totally agree with your priorities vis-a-vis speed limits, and in the same order. Ahhhhhh, the left and the right coming
together, again------gives me goose bumps!!!
Barry |
Awwww Jeez, Barry...What were we thinking" Now ya got me all conflicted with tears, slobber and snots.
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Bajahowodd
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Get over it. Why don't you just go and follow your own advice and pleasure yourself.
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rocmoc
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None of the greenie stuff has anything to do with driving the speed limit for us. We are enjoying the trip and don't want to worry about looking over
the shoulder for the law. Especially with a wide-body 53' long rig. Speed has nothing to do with it since at 60 I am still racing an INEX Legends at
our local tracks, both oval & roadrace. Besides, we bring the toys along for speed in the dirt off-road for the Adrenalin rush. If I see ya, I
will pull over and let ya pass. Just flash your lights!
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
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Baja&Back
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Quoted from Vgabndo (somehow):
" Coming up behind your mile long slow moving business venture is one of the unluckyest things that will happen to most of us on highway one."
"I find being called a pious roadhog by a Baja motorhome tour operator absolutely hilarious!"
Times have changed, Amigo, and so have caravans. You're livin' in the 90s.
The operative word here is "pious". Difference between you & us is that you DELIBERATELY impede traffic in a self imposed role as Defender of the
Public Moral.
You're not, really - just a traffic hazard.
Please find a different road to travel.
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Martyman
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Regarding speed limits, three thoughts come to mind: the law and tickets, safety for oneself and others, and fuel economy. Obviously, not everyone
considers all three, nor in that particular order. |
Here are my three thoughts
3. It will be dark soon, I better drive faster to get off the road, there are banditos.
2. I have to get there quickly before the licores closes
1. I multi-task so... I never go faster then still being able to twist up a fatty with one hand while steering with the other. 
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DanO
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I too have three thoughts when it comes to deciding how fast to drive:
1. How badly do I have to go to the bathroom and where am I in relation to an appropriate pit stop?
2. How hungry am I and where am I in relation to the next good taco stand?
3. How close will it be to being dark when I'm in the Rosarito/TJ corridor?
Therefore, I tend to drive fastest when it's late afternoon, I'm northbound south of Maneadero, starving half to death, and have to pee like a
racehorse. Conversely, I drive the slowest when leaving Maneadero headed south after an early lunch and a bathroom break at Tacos Los Poblanos.
Under those circumstances, in the very same stretch of road south of Maneadero, I tend to haul ass going north and take it easy going south. Weird,
huh?
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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Bajahowodd
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Not so much. At least for many of us heading South, we are looking forward to spending quality time in Baja. Heading North, for many of us usually
involves the deadline of getting back home for work.
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DanO
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Not so much. At least for many of us heading South, we are looking forward to spending quality time in Baja. Heading North, for many of us usually
involves the deadline of getting back home for work. |
Oh go ahead, just try to splash cold reality on my snark, it won't work. There's more where that came from.
I never exceed the speed limit when driving on dirt roads. Here's the proof: When my wife is driving our truck at exactly the same speed at which I
drive it on the exact same dirt roads, the truck is actually travelling faster than when I drive it. She therefore exceeds the speed limit and,
conversely, I do not. Why? Because I establish the speed limit (I can do that because there are, of course, no posted limits to confuse me with the
facts).
The fact that my speed limit is the only correct speed limit is demonstrably true because (a) when my wife is driving it feels like the truck is about
to fishtail wildly, whereas when I drive it is in complete control, and (b) when she is driving I therefore must attempt to assist in bringing the
truck under control by stomping my right foot on the phantom brake pedal on the floor of passenger side of the truck while gripping tightly to the
grab handle above the door and yelling "Jesus Christ, can you keep it under 60?!" This often leads to an ugly confrontation while other dangers of
the road and safety concerns are being ignored.
The moral of this story is that a man is entitled to choose his own speed limit, but he'll have to face the consequences of trying to force his choice
on others.
[Edited on 10-16-2009 by DanO]
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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toneart
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"Oh go ahead, just try to splash cold reality on my snark, it won't work."- Dan-O
Dan, I am going to steal this line and make it my stock reply from now on to anyone on this board. It should suffice to counter any curmudgeonly
attacks on my unassailable stances expressed herein. 
Besides, it will save me lots of time and verbosity, while at the same time offering a welcome respite to all sufferers.  
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! (Toneart bowing to deafening applause).
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DanO
I never exceed the speed limit when driving on dirt roads. Here's the proof: When my wife is driving our truck at exactly the same speed at which I
drive it on the exact same dirt roads, the truck is actually travelling faster than when I drive it. She therefore exceeds the speed limit and,
conversely, I do not. Why? Because I establish the speed limit (I can do that because there are, of course, no posted limits to confuse me with the
facts).
The fact that my speed limit is the only correct speed limit is demonstrably true because (a) when my wife is driving it feels like the truck is about
to fishtail wildly, whereas when I drive it is in complete control, and (b) when she is driving I therefore must attempt to assist in bringing the
truck under control by stomping my right foot on the phantom brake pedal on the floor of passenger side of the truck while gripping tightly to the
grab handle above the door and yelling "Jesus Christ, can you keep it under 60?!" This often leads to an ugly confrontation while other dangers of
the road and safety concerns are being ignored.
The moral of this story is that a man is entitled to choose his own speed limit, but he'll have to face the consequences of trying to force his choice
on others.
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Not only is that so true on dirt roads, much of it applies to the highway----
And when you hit a pot-hole, is it because you had no choice out of safety concerns, and when your wife hits a pot-hole is it because she does not
know how to avoid them -- in fact it is because she aimed straight for the pot hole?
Thanks for that.
[Edited on 10-16-2009 by DianaT]
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MrBillM
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More Lawful Disorder
After the News caught the Austrian RINO's squeeze talking on her Cell Phone while driving, I started paying attention once again to that phenomenon.
Coincidentally, there was a column in the Times ayer about the same subject with much the same conclusions I've reached.
Driving down to get a haircut this a.m., during the 2 mile drive, I counted three others using theirs. I'm sure I probably missed some. Another one
of those laws that will ALWAYS be ignored by the majority, including me. Whenever I call, I always preface my talk with the fact that I may drop off
without notice if I see a Cop.
It's hard to say whether the law is a net plus or minus since, on the positive side, it makes us more aware of our surroundings. At least, aware of
the Bad guys in the Black and Whites.
On the other hand, one of the negatives is that it's made Texting while driving MORE popular since it can be done with the phone out of sight, but
with your attention below the windshield.
"I've fought the Law and (so far) I've won".
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
After the News caught the Austrian RINO's squeeze talking on her Cell Phone while driving, I started paying attention once again to that phenomenon.
Coincidentally, there was a column in the Times ayer about the same subject with much the same conclusions I've reached.
Driving down to get a haircut this a.m., during the 2 mile drive, I counted three others using theirs. I'm sure I probably missed some. Another one
of those laws that will ALWAYS be ignored by the majority, including me. Whenever I call, I always preface my talk with the fact that I may drop off
without notice if I see a Cop.
It's hard to say whether the law is a net plus or minus since, on the positive side, it makes us more aware of our surroundings. At least, aware of
the Bad guys in the Black and Whites.
On the other hand, one of the negatives is that it's made Texting while driving MORE popular since it can be done with the phone out of sight, but
with your attention below the windshield.
"I've fought the Law and (so far) I've won". |
This reminds me of that old Shelly Berman (comedian) bit, when he describes dropping his cigarette in his lap while driving, and then fidgeting around
with a pained expression on his face, and a tourist bus rolls by and they all see him.
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