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Crusoe
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Skipjack...Thank You for a more clear understanding of sand movement. It must be a very fastenating subject. ++C++
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
So knowing one thing extensively, provides for a general claim of knowing everything better than others? Or at least it provides a bully pulpit from
which to pontificate about the shortcomings of others in one person's eyes?
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Listen, I never volunteered my background. You asked for it. You goaded us to provide proof that we knew what we were talking about. So I did.
The subject is coastal soft sediments and I spent 5 years of my life on it. If that comes across as pontification to you, so be it. Put yourself in my
shoes. You read statements over and over again that are clearly wrong and you should be silent about them? Why?
As for my shortcomings in having extensive knowledge of a single subject. How do you know that? You don't even know me. I left school when I was 30.
My curiosity was such that I was willing to sacrifice wealth and a family life to just learn. You couldn't be further from the truth.
I would like to thank all of those of you who have supported me here. |
For such a learned person, your reading talent seems a bit off. I didn't suggest you had shortcomings, because I don't know you and seriously don't
want to. You are likely to get a muscle spasm from patting yourself on the back for being such a wonderful person as to forego wealth and family. So
be careful.
Some people on this board seem to be able to point out other's shortcomings based on an assertion of greater knowledge as if there is nothing unsavory
in doing so. That holy-than-thou 'tude seems to crop up frequently. If the shoe fits...
What modesty to acknowledge the many who support you...applause, applause, applause.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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vgabndo
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It has to be difficult to get any story straight in this culture. Let's face it, not all "men" are created equal; some of them create the market on TV
for professional wrestling, soap opera, American Idol, and any number of programs on the FOX network that specialize in far right panel shows having
several people talking at the same time. (CNN sometimes does the same thing) There was a time in America when a TV program said it was NEWS, it had
damned well better not be opinion. The FCC would have your butt for claiming, especially a partisan opinion, was factual news. The last of the FCC's
teeth were pulled during the GW Bush Admin.
Yet, on my TV every word out of the mouth of the alcoholic Glenn Beck has a spinning icon under it saying it is NEWS. Every twisted enuendo from the
lips of Sean Hannidy says NEWS under it. Every hateful screech out of Bill O'Reilly says NEWS under it. "Lush Limpbaugh"  , the convicted pill head Viagra smuggler openly advocates for the failure of the
American government. Imagine if any middle of the road news organization advocated for the failure of the Iraq war. The flying spittle from the
flapping lips of these men would likely destroy several video cameras and a microphone! Don't even get me started about the disgraced, thrown out of
the Marine Corps, evidence shredding , international terrorist Oliver North strutting around the FOX "news" Network advertised as a military hero.
How could it be a surprise that citizens who are in the lower percentiles of the intelligence spectrum still think that FOX was telling the truth
about weapons of mass destruction.
The insidious little jabs come from everywhere. Certainly DK knows how to spell Al Gore's name, yet he diminishes his argument by making it "algore".
All of the above is my opinion, but I believe I can prove every word.
Debate is a wonderful, NECESSARY, thing, but the opponents have to have a factual background for their arguments. It takes a LOT of works these days
to ferret-out what is real.
Its late, I'm wound up, and I never argue with my wife!
[Edited on 10-16-2009 by vgabndo]
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
What modesty to acknowledge the many who support you...applause, applause, applause.
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It wasn't modesty, just plain gratitude.
Strange how you missed that. You're a very cynical man, Gull.
Actually you're just pulling my chain now. You have no real points to make on the subject at hand. These are just personal attacks for reasons that
are only known to you.
I'll have no more to do with you.
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jeans
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vgabndo
It has to be difficult to get any story straight in this culture. Let's face it, not all "men" are created equal; some of them create the market on TV
for professional wrestling, soap opera, American Idol, and any number of programs on the FOX network that specialize in far right panel shows having
several people talking at the same time. (CNN sometimes does the same thing) There was a time in America when a TV program said it was NEWS, it had
damned well better not be opinion. The FCC would have your butt for claiming, especially a partisan opinion, was factual news. The last of the FCC's
teeth were pulled during the GW Bush Admin.
Yet, on my TV every word out of the mouth of the alcoholic Glenn Beck has a spinning icon under it saying it is NEWS. Every twisted enuendo from the
lips of Sean Hannidy says NEWS under it. Every hateful screech out of Bill O'Reilly says NEWS under it. "Lush Limpbaugh" , the convicted pill head Viagra smuggler openly advocates for the failure of the
American government. Imagine if any middle of the road news organization advocated for the failure of the Iraq war. The flying spittle from the
flapping lips of these men would likely destroy several video cameras and a microphone! Don't even get me started about the disgraced, thrown out of
the Marine Corps, evidence shredding , international terrorist Oliver North strutting around the FOX "news" Network advertised as a military hero.
How could it be a surprise that citizens who are in the lower percentiles of the intelligence spectrum still think that FOX was telling the truth
about weapons of mass destruction.
The insidious little jabs come from everywhere. Certainly DK knows how to spell Al Gore's name, yet he diminishes his argument by making it "algore".
All of the above is my opinion, but I believe I can prove every word.
Debate is a wonderful, NECESSARY, thing, but the opponents have to have a factual background for their arguments. It takes a LOT of works these days
to ferret-out what is real.
Its late, I'm wound up, and I never argue with my wife!
[Edited on 10-16-2009 by vgabndo] |
Wow...after slogging through 4 pages of mostly predictable rhetoric on this subject, I can see how simplistic my own explanation was on this subject.
I had assumed that pictures I had seen in the travel magazines...much like the one BajaWarrior took, were taken on the rare minus tide days when the
sand was exposed. Those days could be predicted with a tidal calendar so the photographers & models could be ready for the photo shoot.
That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
Mom always told me to be different - Now she says...Not THAT different
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
What modesty to acknowledge the many who support you...applause, applause, applause.
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It wasn't modesty, just plain gratitude.
Strange how you missed that. You're a very cynical man, Gull.
Actually you're just pulling my chain now. You have no real points to make on the subject at hand. These are just personal attacks for reasons that
are only known to you.
I'll have no more to do with you. |
Well, well, well, I just can't stand being rebuked by the likes of you. Sniff, sniff, snuffle, cry...calling me very cynical and calling DK other
things are not personal attacks Mr. Hypocrisy? DK has every right to provide whatever he wants on this board without your feeble attempts at
censorship.
Oh how some people fool themselves into thinking they are near perfect, if not perfect, then certainly better than others. Throw the first stone in
this glass house, buster.
The mirror reveals much about your strident nature.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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capt. mike
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wow.....i think i'll head over to off topic.
these sections are way too controversial!!
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Now joined L. Ron Hoover\'s church of Appliantology
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Bajahowodd
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You actually make a good point Mike. For the past several weeks, I've been siurprised at what has been left on the general board. I can only guess
that between the threads started here about a "gentler" off-topic, and the usual nasty political and race stuff in off-topic, there was a decision
made to allow a bit more lattitude on the general board. JMHO.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Very sad that you posted a lie about me, and with my attempt to be nice and ask you to correct it (or prove where I said such a thing)... you respond
with this. How un-mature and un-Nomad-like...
You know very well if I misquoted you (or posted a photo you took without credit), you would be all worked up about it. Heck, you even tried to jump
on me when I posted Wayno's photo WITH HIS PERMISSION... and you couldn't even apologize for that after Wano told you it was okay.
If I am found to be in error, I am, big enough to apologize and delete any error.
I also see that Perry was upset that I mis-spelled his hero as 'algore'... So, I will no longer do that, as I don't want to upset Perry. I did that
because the guy (Al Gore) gets no respect from me with his lie and profitting from the lie of man made global warming... flying in his Gulfstream,
using more energy in each of his homes in one month than the aveage family uses in a year.
I don't think political leaders are better than taxpayers or should tell us to live one way, while they live another... That happens in dictatorships
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A truly pathetic post, David---really pathetic ---but you did manage to throw in your political agenda.
It always seems to be someone else. Sad, really sad.
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vandenberg
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What happened to the sand under the Arch?
I wanna see that.
When is the next event.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
What happened to the sand under the Arch?
I wanna see that.
When is the next event. |
Judy said about every 8 years and BW said his photo was from 1989-----so, what would that be? Too early to do the math.
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Bajahowodd
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And here I thought there was sand under the arch every four years. I guess that by my age, 8 years seems like 4.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
And here I thought there was sand under the arch every four years. I guess that by my age, 8 years seems like 4. |
Could be, I don't have a clue---
I do know a bit more about these arches. They have water in them almost every day, and dogs under them quite often.
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Natalie Ann
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
In relation to this, many of us believed that the totuava are endangered due to overfishing. But it turns out that those fish spawn in the colorado
delta and require a certain flow of water and sediment to do it effectively. It will be interesting to see how much this will effect their comeback
now that they have to be released by fishermen.
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Many of you have seen these pix before, still.....
not much left of the mighty Colorado as it heads to the Sea these days:
nena
[Edited on 10-17-2009 by Natalie Ann]
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Natalie Ann
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and more.....
nena
Be yourself, everyone else is already taken.
.....Oscar Wilde
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David K
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Beautiful Photos Natalie Ann, as always... Thank you.
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Skipjack Joe
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Why the arch changes
When Bascom did his work at Scripps these processes weren't well understood. For example, Santa Barbara harbor was created by building a protective
sea wall along it's north edge. This resulted in sand being dumped at the end of the wall, right at the harbor entrance. In effect the construction
was causing the harbor to fill up because the waves lost their force right there. This resulted in an ongoing dredging operation to keep the harbor
open.
The US Army Corps of engineers greatly benefited from Bascom's work and began to develop models at the start of every project. These models simulated
the coastline in structure, with waves being generated and sand movement being observed. I don't know, perhaps much of this is now being done with
computers. These days the Corps probably knows as much about the dynamics of Shell Beach and Land's End as anyone.
The following link contains one of their recent projects in Maine. Page 11 (pdf page 20) is of interest as it shows an image of a completed model
ready to collect data. Changing the variables will affect how and where the sand will be deposited.
http://chl.erdc.usace.army.mil/Media/7/8/2/CERC-TR-95-11.pdf
It's unlikely that the Escalera Nautica is researched to this degree. That's unfortunate. It should be.
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Natalie Ann
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I would agree that they're great images of the area, David... much of this can be seen from the regular commercial airplane, so I'm sure it is
familiar to many of us.
But the thing is.... this area used to be really truly incredibly lush and beautiful. (not my personal knowlege, but info from and pix seen in books
telling the history of this area and of the damning of the Colorado)
The lower Colorado was a full rushing river with much aquatic life, the north-east boundaries of Baja were thick with grasses and the area was good
for agriculture and raising animals. Farming and fishing were the way of life for the locals.
Now the lower Colorado it is a pathetic excuse for a river slowly moving through concrete and mud flats. The land is not a place where the natives of
Baja can live anymore.
This understanding leaves me feeling quite sad when I look at these pictures.
nena
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DianaT
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Nena,
Those are great photos----really beautiful of something rather sad.
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Tomas Tierra
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Give it a thousand years or so,a relative spec in time...all will be resolved..the colorado will flow, the ice caps will be back, and the MOLD that
inhabited this earth will have grown to large to be supported, and will be long gone...maybe a few hearty remnants of the mold will survive with
greater respect, for itself and its host..
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