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Timo1
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OK
Here's a question for you
What do you think about Malaysia where DA-DA is death ???
You get caught....you die
any amount
Its even posted at the airports....DA-DA is death
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k-rico
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The Brits started this business model over 100 years ago running Afghan and Indian opium into China. Got the whole freaking country addicted. The
Commonwealth profited handsomely.
As an aside.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
Nope. You'd be introducing a form of regulation and bureaucracy and the black market would still exist. That's the core of the problem we are trying
to solve. Either let them buy, inexpensively, as much as they want wherever they want and have an orderly supply side or extinguish the market. This
half baked approach has had no positive impact. |
You may be right, as far as I'm concerned they can sell the
stuff at 7-11. I just don't want some crackhead crawling through my window and stealing my stuff to trade for dope. Let them have as much as they
want, if they OD they will no longer be a problem.
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oldlady
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
IHistorically, the US was not in such a position. However, after 1975, the incarceration rates began to skyrocket, as a result of getting tough on
crime attitudes of the prevailing government. (think- Nixon didn't like all the potheads returning from Viet Nam who mostly didn't smoke pot until
they went off to war).
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Think something else...Nixon resigned in 74.
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
We tried that |
I meant HARSH and STRICT not...
MINIMUM and MAYBE.
Draconian penalties, mandatory arrests, no plea bargain or expungement, no nada. |
You already can have that today - and more. Just move to China, and you'll have draconian enforcement of drug use and sales while having growing
corruption spurred by prolific drug trafficking. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-06/23/content_624028...
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Timo1
OK
Here's a question for you
What do you think about Malaysia where DA-DA is death ???
You get caught....you die
any amount
Its even posted at the airports....DA-DA is death |
I don't think it would work here. With all the appeals
that go with a death sentence it takes about 10 years to execute even the most heinous of murderer. We would need a lot of new prisons just to hold
the backlog.
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Timo1
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I kinda doubt the cartels want to ship to Malaysia...no market
Maybe its time to re-vamp some laws
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
| Quote: | Originally posted by Timo1
OK
Here's a question for you
What do you think about Malaysia where DA-DA is death ???
You get caught....you die
any amount
Its even posted at the airports....DA-DA is death |
I don't think it would work here. With all the appeals
that go with a death sentence it takes about 10 years to execute even the most heinous of murderer. We would need a lot of new prisons just to hold
the backlog. |
If it came to that, it would be likely such intolerance would also spread to other facets of American life. In that case I'd apply to move to Canada
or elsewhere because the U.S. would no longer be America in the sense of the word. I have an even better idea, those who want Singapore or Muslim
style justice could just simply move to a suitable country today. Problem solved.
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Dave
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Threats?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
You are referring to incarceration? That threat has been around since the 1930s. |
You and I both know that most recreational users don't feel in the least threatened by incarceration. What are the chances going to jail for
possession of a joint...or a bit of blow?
Consequences mean exactly that.
I'll leave you to figure it out. 
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oldlady
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
Problem solved. |
Is your implication the staus quo is acceptable? And, that those who have issue with it should leave Mexico or the US?
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Not Thinking Something Else
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
IHistorically, the US was not in such a position. However, after 1975, the incarceration rates began to skyrocket, as a result of getting tough on
crime attitudes of the prevailing government. (think- Nixon didn't like all the potheads returning from Viet Nam who mostly didn't smoke pot until
they went off to war).
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Think something else...Nixon resigned in 74. |
The stats began to rise in 1975. It was Nixon and his Justice Department that laid the groundwork for the rise, during the Nixon administration.
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Bajahowodd
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I'm Dense
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
You are referring to incarceration? That threat has been around since the 1930s. |
You and I both know that most recreational users don't feel in the least threatened by incarceration. What are the chances going to jail for
possession of a joint...or a bit of blow?
Consequences mean exactly that.
I'll leave you to figure it out. |
Why don't you help out this feeble old guy and give me a hint?
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| Quote: | You and I both know that most recreational users don't feel in the least threatened by incarceration. What are the chances going to jail for
possession of a joint...or a bit of blow?
Consequences mean exactly that.
I'll leave you to figure it out. |
Where exactly would we put them if we were to lock up everyone caught with small amounts of dope? Would you be willing to accept a
large tax increase to pay for the needed facilities?
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Gay Rights
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Do you think those programs had the same level of commitment and money behind them as Global Warming? Gay Marriage? Pro-Choice? Cigarettes?
Trans-fats? Political Campaigns of Hope and Change?
We've turned controlling sheeple into an art form. |
Curious as to what forces you believe were behind the legalization of gay marriage in Mexico City the other day.
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Aha! Now we are into implementation! The citizens of the US and Mexico are paying big time now...If I really worked at it I believe I could come up
with a plan that would be "deficit-neutral" relative to incarceration. I'm serious. If Dave's theory is right, and I believe it is, both countries
would see a steep decline in users. After the first few years and a corollary "education" program, drug use would loose a lot of it's appeal.
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Packoderm
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldlady
| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
Problem solved. |
Is your implication the staus quo is acceptable? And, that those who have issue with it should leave Mexico or the US? |
I'd say that my issue lies with those whose first reaction to challenges in our society is to curtail liberty. Bonus points for whoever can name who
quote this: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
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Timo1
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Bozo the clown ????
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Lets play pretend
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Why don't you help out this feeble old guy and give me a hint? |
Pretend you're a recreational drug user. Would there be a definite consequence that would correct your behavior?
And Monoloco, I'm not convinced that it would necessarily include incarceration.
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The infrastructure was already in Mexico to move it (drugs) as it has been a very, very long time
What's the name of the "gulch/ravine" on MEX 1 as you reach the top of the grade on the way to Playas Tijuana..
Black tar and pot have been the main stays for some time, coke just fell into Mexico's "lap" so to speak after the U.S. did in Pablo Escobar..
Columbia's coco plants did not know they should stop growing, nor did the poor folks the grow them after the end of Mr Escobar.
So production continues, demand continues what was needed was a means to get them to the States and who had things ready for that..
Legalization, jail, death .. it's all been tried.. about the only Countries who have had some degree of control are completely totalitarian in
nature.. Myanmar/Burma has pretty much move the Heroin trade to Afghanistan though the use of automatic death of anyone messing with it... and we know
what kind of success the world is having addressing the production of poppies in Afghanistan..
Still believe that if one wants to shoot junk or what ever, they should have the right to do it.. as for the problems this create within society.. if
there is no War on Drugs.. the funds could be used to pay for the drugs and the users long term medical care once moved into the "recovery" stage...
as we are paying it all now plus the War on Drugs.. we could just cut out the impact to the non-involved parties in the process to some degree
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Timo1
Bozo the clown ???? |
NOT! It was some clown named Benjamin Franklin. We all know what a clown he was.
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