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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Besides...who does it hurt? |
Any business that provisions inventory and schedules labor based on reservations. Also, legitimate customers competing for limited service.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Besides...who does it hurt? |
Any business that provisions inventory and schedules labor based on reservations. Also, legitimate customers competing for limited service.
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That's a stretch when you're projecting impact on the industry.
The method I suggest wouldn't allow enough time for businesses to commit inventory, labor or accomodations to the point of incurring any kind of loss.
Twenty four hours for the process would be sufficient to illustrate to business owners that they are being negatively affected by the conduct of the
city police in Constitución.
In that twenty four hour span, especially given where we are, I doubt too much thought, let alone expense, would be invested in preparation.
I also doubt we need discuss "limited service" these days. "Limited customers" continues to be the regional problem and that makes this plan that much
more affective.
Personally, I can live out what's left of my life without ever going through that snake-pit again, but those here who plan on doing that should
consider being a bit more proactive in controlling the safety of their environment.
I honestly don't care...and when I have to sit here and defend my motives and procedures, I care even less.
You folks are on your own.
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Iflyfish
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This to Mag Bay Tours:
"I have stayed at Manfred's RV Park in Ciudad Constitution in the past and hoped to stay there again this year and perhaps hire you to put me into
some Kayak fishing. Now I hear, Baja Nomads, that the cops in Ciudad Constitution are shaking down people from the US. Unfortunately I am not going
further than Guerro Negro if this is not stopped.
Thank you."
I have tried to find and Email to Patricia, who is a wonderful owner of Manfred's and could not find an email for her. This is one of the finest RV
Parks I have stayed at in the Baja. I had hoped to do some Kayak fishing with Mag Bay Tours, they look awesome.
If anyone can come up with an email address for Patricia at Manfred's I would appreciate that.
Iflyfish
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Iflyfish
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Thanks Dennis for posting the links and for weighing in on this. I am steamed!! I will think more about who I might contact, who would benifit from
our going south of Ciudad Constitution. I had planned to travel to La Paz, eat at Tres Virgines, Stay at the camp ground in town, visit Todos Santos
again....will think of who I also might email and encourage other Nomads to do the same. We do have strength in numbers and Dennis, I hope you will
not give up because of a post that was offensive to you. I appreciate your thinking on this.
Iflyfish
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Iflyfish
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Here is a list of businesses in Ciudad Constitution:
http://www.bajaquest.com/baja17.htm
Iflyfish
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bajaguy
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Contacts
SECTUR - Secretaría de Turismo de México
Making tourism a national priority is one of the fundamental axes of the new tourist policy laid down in the National Tourism Program 2001 – 2006. One
of the main purposes of the program is to consolidate the production and dissemination of information to strengthen the sector.
The information is more than important to our tourist work, it is indispensable, and we can use it to provide a solid basis for the decision-making
process. We place at your disposal information that we have compiled from a number of recently conducted surveys and research exercises. Additional
information will soon be available on our Secretaría de Turismo web site.
I N F O T U R ….. It is a privilege to help you …..
The Ministry of Tourism, through INFOTUR, part of the Tourist Services Division, provides free information to Mexican and foreign tourists, including
co-nationals, about tourist destinations, attractions and services.
You may contact us by telephone, mail and e-mail, or visit our tourist information office, where we will also be happy to assist you in finding
lodging.
http://www.sectur.gob.mx/wb2/secturing/sect_1052_tourism_inf...
You may write to us at:
MINISTRY OF TOURISM - INFOTUR
Av. Presidente Masaryk 172, ground floor, Chapultepec Morales, Miguel Hidalgo,
Mexico City, México D. F.
Telephone: 30 02 63 00 Ext. 1151.
Or contact us by e-mail at: correspondencia@sectur.gob.mx
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Profeco - (Procuraduría Federal del Consumidor)
How to file a complaint with Profeco
Attention to Foreigners
Profeco is committed to always provide the best service. We extend our protection to the people who do not live in Mexico and acquire any product or
service from a Mexican supplier and are not satisfied with the good or service.
More details about how to file a complaint with Profeco.
For further information you can contact us at the following numbers:
(52) 55-68-87-22 (phone); (+52) 55 5211-2052 (fax), or E-mail: extranjeros@profeco.gob.mx
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Fonatur - Fondo Nacional de Fomento al Turismo
MISSION - “To take part in the consolidation of the country’s sustainable development through the promotion of the nation’s tourism industry”.
VISION - “As a federal government agency, to serve as a leading institution in promoting the development of diversified tourism projects that are in
keeping with global trends, by relying on a business structure that encourages private investment in projects that spur regional development, thus
securing economic and social gains for those regions, by facilitating funding and credit, and by adopting an active and hands-on approach in areas
where assured recovery will help lead to self-sufficiency and generate resources, as well as strengthen the institution’s role as a financial
instrument within the tourism sector”.
Fondo Nacional de Fomento al Turismo
Tecoyotitla No. 100, Col. Florida C.P. 01030 México D.F.
Tel.: 50 - 90 - 42 - 00
COMPTROLLER’S OFFICE: COMPLAINTS AND REPORTS
http://www.fonatur.gob.mx/_ingles/indexmis.html
This page opens to their "About Us" page. Click on "Contact Us" on the left side of the page - At the bottom of the page there is a link to the
Comptroller's Office: Complaints and Reports. This form is in Spanish.
www.fonatur.gob.mx
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Ministry of Tourism
Tourism Help Department - La Paz
La Paz, Baja California Sur, Mexico
Fax: (612) 124 - 0768 (From Mexico)
Fax: 01 (612) 124 - 0722 (From USA)
Phone: 01 (612) 124 - 0100 to 03
E-mail: turismo@gbcs.gob.mx
La Paz, Baja California Sur, Mexico. Km 51/2 Carretera al Norte Edificio Fidepa2
Apartado Postal # 419 CP. 23090
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Secretaría de Turismo de Baja California Sur
Departamento de Auxilio Turistico
Sr. Adolfo Gonzalez Garcia
Jefe del departamento de Auxilio Turistico
Phone: 01 (612) 124 - 0100 to 03
Fax: 01 (612) 124 - 0722
E-mail: turismo@gbcs.gob.mx
La Paz, Baja California Sur, Mexico. Km 51/2 Carretera al Norte Edificio Fidepa2
Apartado Postal # 419 CP. 23090
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Los Cabos Tourism Office - Secretaría Municipal de Turismo
Director: Lic. Jose Manuel Gonzalez Arreola
If you have comments, complaints, suggestions or need help from our city government,
please let us know.
Location: Blvd. Mauricio Castro s/n, Plaza San José, Locales 3 y 4
San José del Cabo. Baja California Sur, C.P. 23400 México.
Tel(s): (624) 146-9628 | E-mail: turismoloscabos@prodigy.net.mx
http://www.loscabos.gob.mx
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Los Cabos Convention & Visitors Bureau
Oficina de Convenciones y Visitantes de Los Cabos
Sr. Ruben Sanchez, General Director
Lazaro Card##as Edificio Posada, s/n, Colonia el Medano
Cabo San Lucas, Baja California Sur, CP 23410 Mexico
Telephone: (624) 143-4777 (from USA and Canada dial 011-52 first)
USA Toll Free: 1-866 LOS CABOS - (866) 567-2226
info@loscaboscvb.com
This phone number is answered by a recorded message asking that callers leave their address for mailing of information on Los Cabos or leave a message
if they have a more detailed issue.
To receive a free copy of the Visit Los Cabos Guide call: 1-866 Los Cabos - 866-567-2226
(note: this is not Los Cabos Magazine or Los Cabos Visitor's Guide)
This phone number is answered by a recorded message asking that callers leave their address for mailing of information on Los Cabos or leave a message
if they have a more detailed issue
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Lee
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Huh?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Peloncito
He told me he was going to keep my license and I could come get it at 8:00 the next morning at the police station or........ $500 pesos right now. I
pondered letting him keep my license and just getting a new one when I returned to the states, but figured that might not be that bright.
After negotiating for several minutes, we agreed on $400 pesos and we were on our way.
Mike |
Do you know what a ''throw away license'' is?
$400 pesos instead of $500 pesos? With this kind of negotiations, the cops will continue to stop gringoes.
Good luck.
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Baja&Back
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
I have tried to find and Email to Patricia, who is a wonderful owner of Manfred's and could not find an email for her. This is one of the finest RV
Parks I have stayed at in the Baja. I had hoped to do some Kayak fishing with Mag Bay Tours, they look awesome.
If anyone can come up with an email address for Patricia at Manfred's I would appreciate that.
Iflyfish |
I posted Patricia's email at the top of this page. It is npso@hotmail.com
Manfred's is now called "Misiones RV park".
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BajaBlanca
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BajaGuy - that is a fantastic list you put together, thanks a lot. I am going to write to some of them about a number of issues ... recently some
friends were given a hard time by the tour quide for the Cueva del Raton. they think they were overcharged and they were not handled with a smile
since they were only a couple and not a group. Very unprofessional. 
They are the same couple who got their tires slashed in Ensenada's Home Depot and while "being helped" got all their docs, passports, money, cameras
stolen.
Les and I drove thru Constitution 3 weeks ago when returning from Copper Canyon and saw NO SIGN of cops. but a friend in La Paz got a ticket when she
didnt come to a complete stop and her fine, I think, was $300. They didnt care that she idled thru ever so slowly !! But she was Ok with it - she was
guilty as charged 
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Frank
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Just sent off a letter to all of these.
correspondencia@sectur.gob.mx, extranjeros@profeco.gob.mx, www.fonatur.gob.mx, turismo@gbcs.gob.mx,turismoloscabos@prodigy.net.mx
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Peloncito
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Lee,
I know exactly what a throw away license is, but could it be possible that I simply didn't care (at brief moment in time) if the officer kept my real
CDL allowing me to be on my way?
My two 5 year olds in the back seat started crying when they saw the two officers approaching my window, one holding an assault rifle. I am sure that
can be just a tad intimidating to a child. So I think my $500 to $400 peso deal was good enough to get me and my family out of there under MY
circumstances. I am sorry that I could not help the cause in the manner you obviously would have liked, but then again, my family is a much higher
priority to me than worrying about $40+/-.
Just thought I would share a recent similar shakedown event so that everyone knows, nothing has changed in CC.
Sorry to insult you with my lack of beach side jewelry bargaining skills.
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BAJA.DESERT.RAT
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Hola, thank you bajaguy for taking the time to inform us in trying to resove the C.C. problem. i hope electronic messages do work ?
i will take my time and direct complaints/inquiries very soon.
thsnk you agin,
BIEN SALUD, MRS. RAT.
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Iflyfish
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The following is a response to one of my emails:
"Unfortunately it's true that moto cop number 045 has hit a couple of my friends and me too. Cost me $300 pesos on the spot. This guy tried to get
one of my friends for $80 dollars but they gave him 500 pesos and said "that's it" ..then drove away . moto cop 045 did not follow them.
Lets keep focused here folks. Time to use the internet and contact people who might have some influence with this. Are you prepared to be shaken down
each time YOU go through Ciudad Constitution? There is strenght in numbers.
Iflyfish
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bajaguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BAJA.DESERT.RAT
Hola, thank you bajaguy for taking the time to inform us in trying to resove the C.C. problem. i hope electronic messages do work ?
i will take my time and direct complaints/inquiries very soon.
thsnk you agin,
BIEN SALUD, MRS. RAT. |
Please let us know if there is a response and what they say
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Iflyfish
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My letter to SECTUR
"There have been a number of reports on Baja Nomads website about how police in Ciudad Constitution are stopping US Citizens and requiring a bribe
from them by threatening them with a ticket if they do not pay them the "fine" on the spot. The following is an example of this:
"Unfortunately it's true that moto cop number 045 has hit a couple of my friends and me too. Cost me $300 pesos on the spot. This guy tried to get one
of my friends for $80 dollars but they gave him 500 pesos and said "that's it" ..then drove away . moto cop 045 did not follow them."
You will find numerous reports here on this illegal activity by the police who are supposed to be protecting tourists!
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=46302&pag...
My wife and I had planned to visit Ciudad Constitution and stay at Manfred's RV Park, one of the finest in the Baja, we also planned to eat at least
three meals in town and to hire a guide to take us to Maglena Bay to watch whales. We then planned to travel further south to La Paz, Cabo and Todos
Santos.
Now we will not be traveling past Guerro Negro unless this problem is resolved. I know of one caravan of motor homes that will also not be going thru
Ciudad Constitution because of this problem.
Please attend to this very serious matter for the sake of your country and it's important tourism industry."
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Iflyfish
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Baja and Back
Same letter sent to Patricia, Profeco, Turismo, Los Cabos Tourism and Visitors and Convention and Visitors Bureau.
Thank you Bajaguy for posting these important contacts.
I hope all Nomads who plan to travel to and thru Ciudad Constitution will follow suit and inform these people of the impact this mordida, occuring on
the MAIN HIGHWAY thru Southern Baja State, has on you and your plans to visit Mexico.
Iflyfish
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k-rico
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Thanks bajaguy, I copied and saved the info you posted to a file on my desktop. I hope I don't have to use it but I will if needed.
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chnlisle
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Lets keep focused here folks. Time to use the internet and contact people who might have some influence with this. Are you prepared to be shaken down
each time YOU go through Ciudad Constitution? There is strenght in numbers. |
There is even more strength in the numbers that just stay away until somebody asks, "¿donde estan los turistas?"
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karenintx
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The Gringo Gazette is always looking for a good story of gringos being ripped off!
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monoloco
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I think that the best thing we can do is make ourselves a pain in the ass, demand to go to the station, file complaints about being extorted, and take
up as much of their time as possible. If we cease to be easy marks then the problem will go away.
[Edited on 6-28-2010 by monoloco]
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