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toneart
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He does obey my commands when he hears my serious voice. |
I am positive that Paco heard your "serious voice" in that situation. |
Paco! Go get me another Pacifico!
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Hey Big Fella, got a minute for a free education?
Quote: | Originally posted by Marc
To mcfez. Hey Big Fella. My son is a CHP officer in Weaverville, Ca. He is now on temp loan to the county. His job is busting pot growers and meth
labs. He also works with the Fish & Game people. He has two small children. Do you think he is going to shoot a bear illegally. Who is the dope??
Look in the mirror!!
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]
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Did I say anything about the legality of shooting a bear in California? I said what a dope for shooting the bear. Ever heard of trap and release?
Tranquilizing dart? Hello? Hello? Anyone home? Who is the dope?? Look in the mirror!!
The plain statement of "shot two bears" without saying he was with Fish&Game...was trolling. The statement also projected "so what...we kill
bears for the hell of it" . Killing the bears with no mercy was projected too..intentionally I believe. I have to assume everything else you said is
not on the up and up. You may not give a damn about wildlife...but I sure do. Killing is not the only option. This aint some shoot em up John Wayne
western movie Dude. It's life!
Assuming you are full of B.S. Keep reading.
Section 4181.1 of the Fish and Game Code states that landowners may kill a bear encountered in the act of molesting or injuring
livestock.
No one can go out in their back yard and just kill a bear. Period. In Tahoe for example.....you be arrested for killing a bear...and other wildlife.
Up in our cabin at Tahoe Donner...the same goes. And we have more bears up there than people it seems.
I find it hard for a CHP is be playing Fish and Game. My Father in Law agrees....him being a CHP in Oakland! CHP has been overwhelmed with Home Land
Security issues and letting their personnel on loan is hard to believe.
Here....some real detail stuff for you to learn about taking out bears:
http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/bear/depredation.html
DFG's bear depredation policy represents a progressive response system based upon the degree of damage being caused. Bear situations are categorized
and then addressed. In the first category, a bear strays into a populated area and cannot readily return to bear habitat. This bear has simply found
itself it the wrong place. In most situations, removal of the antagonists or distractions from the area will allow the bear to return to nearby bear
habitat with no other incident. Designated a "no harm no foul,"techniques to remove the bear may include, but are not limited to the use of sound
makers, pepper spray, rubber slug shot shells or sling shot projectiles to drive the bear away or haze the bear out of the area. Tranquilizing and
removing the bear can be used if other methods are determined to be unsafe or have been unsuccessful.
In the second category, a bear becomes habituated to humans and may be a nuisance problem (no property damage involved) by tipping over garbage cans,
invading compost piles, walking across porches, and so forth. Previously captured bears that have returned to areas of human habitation are included
in this category. In these cases, the landowner or tenant is informed of reasonable corrective measures as a solution to the problem, which include
but are not limited to: area clean-up, removal of trash or other food attractants, bear-proofing food storage areas, electric fencing, temporary
closure of campsites. As mentioned above, techniques to remove the bear may include, but are not limited to the use of sound makers, rubber slug shot
shells or sling shot projectiles to drive the bear away or haze the bear out of the area.
In the third category, a bear causes real property damage to a dwelling(s), structure(s), vehicle(s), apiaries, etc., or is a repeat offender (the
bear has been previously captured or hazed by DFG employees). If the damage is minor and there are no other previous reports of damage ? the first
action is implementation of reasonable corrective measures to remove attractants as outlined for the second category. Corrective measures must be made
prior to, or in addition to, issuing a depredation permit. When a bear has caused extensive or chronic damage to private property (such as livestock
killed or injured, or entered into a home or cabin), repeated damage where corrective or bear-proofing efforts have failed, etc., DFG issues a
depredation permit.
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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toneart is NOT the bear killer!!!!!
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Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
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Wow you live off the Red Dog area by any chance? My 1800's ancestors founded the town of Red Dog (Henry Stehr). Up by the Camel's Hump and Chalk
Bluffs area.
For the bear killer that is really probably just trolling:
Killing off bears because they are in your backyard ....what a dope you are. Move to the city if wild life is too much of a nuisance for you.
Gods forbid for those big pines in your rear yard, interfering with your view....lets mow down them wild things too.
[Edited on 12-3-2010 by mcfez] |
Mcfez-
Yes! I go right up Red Dog Road, up Banner Lava Cap in Cascade Shores...the back side of Scott's Flat Lake. The main boat marina is across the lake,
but we have our own boat ramp on our side too, where we can launch a boat. Chalk Bluff, where they blasted the cliffs with water cannons, mining gold,
is right below my property. Fortunately, I look out over the canyon to the mountains beyond and cannot see the water-eroded cliffs. They are on the
face of the rear of my property.
Just to be clear to anyone who may read your post hastily, I am NOT the bear killer! I am the wildlife lover and don't mind sharing my land with them.
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We got maps of the whole area from the late 1800's. The actually site of Red Dog is NOT where the marker says it is. Yeah...the 70's and 80' my
brothers and I explored every cranny up there, including the mines. You live in a great area!
Have you "heard" the baby crying at the Red Dog Cemetery? At sundown ....there is always a baby crying from the distance. Turns out that there is one
one grave there (all the graces are adults, no kids)...is a baby child of 3 years old. Died from falling in a mine . I have experienced hearing this
baby myself. It happens! Yeah...many strange things up there.
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Quote: | Originally posted by Marc
To mcfez. Hey Big Fella. My son is a CHP officer in Weaverville, Ca. He is now on temp loan to the county. His job is busting pot growers and meth
labs. He also works with the Fish & Game people. He has two small children. Do you think he is going to shoot a bear illegally. Who is the dope??
Look in the mirror!!
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc] |
Yeah- so.. whyyy'ed he shoot them bears?!
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Go Mcfez!
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On the question of Wiley Coyote
Mr. Coyote is getting his day in court, I recommend you read on.
In The United States District Court
Southwestern District, Tempe, Arizona
The Honorable Homer Simpson, Presiding
Wile E. Coyote, )
Plaintiff )
v. ) Case No. B19293
Acme Company, )
Defendant )
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Opening statement of Mr. Ralf Rinkle, attorney for Mr. Coyote:
My client, Mr. Wile E. Coyote, a resident of Arizona and contiguous states, does hereby bring suit for damages against the Acme Company, manufacturer
and retail distributor of assorted merchandise, incorporated in Delaware and doing business in every state, district, and territory. Mr. Coyote seeks
compensation for personal injuries, loss of business income, and mental suffering caused as a direct result of the actions and/or gross negligence of
said company, under Title 15 of the United States Code, Chapter 47, section 2072, subsection (a), relating to product liability.
Mr. Coyote states that on eighty-five separate occasions he has purchased of the Acme Company (hereinafter, "Defendant"), through that company's
mail-order department, certain products which did cause him bodily injury due to defects in manufacture or improper cautionary labeling. Sales slips
made out to Mr. Coyote as proof of purchase are at present in the possession of the Court, marked Exhibit A. Such injuries sustained by Mr. Coyote
have temporarily restricted his ability to make a living in his profession of predator. Mr. Coyote is self- employed and thus not eligible for
Workmen's Compensation.
Mr. Coyote states that on December 13th he received of Defendant via parcel post one Acme Rocket Sled. The intention of Mr. Coyote was to use the
Rocket sled to aid him in pursuit of his prey. Upon receipt of the Rocket Sled Mr. Coyote removed it from its wooden shipping crate and sighting his
prey in the distance, activated the ignition. As Mr. Coyote gripped the handlebars, the Rocket Sled accelerated with such sudden and precipitate force
as to stretch Mr. Coyote's forelimbs to a length of fifty feet. Subsequently, the rest of Mr. Coyote's body shot forward with a violent jolt, causing
severe strain to his back and neck and placing him unexpectedly astride the Rocket Sled. Disappearing over the horizon at such speed as to leave a
diminishing jet trail along its path, the Rocket Sled soon brought Mr. Coyote abreast of his prey. At that moment the animal he was pursuing veered
sharply to the right. Mr. Coyote vigorously attempted to follow this maneuver but was unable to, due to poorly designed steering on the Rocket Sled
and a faulty or nonexistent braking system. Shortly thereafter, the unchecked progress of the Rocket Sled brought it and Mr. Coyote into collision
with the side of a mesa.
Paragraph One of the Report of Attending Physician (Exhibit B), prepared by Dr. Ernest Grosscup, M.D., D.O., details the multiple fractures,
contusions, and tissue damage suffered by Mr. Coyote as a result of this collision. Repair of the injuries required a full bandage around the head
(excluding the ears), a neck brace, and full or partial casts on all four legs.
Hampered by these injuries, Mr. Coyote was nevertheless obliged to support himself. With this in mind, he purchased of Defendant as an aid to mobility
one pair of Acme Rocket Skates. When he attempted to use this product, however, he became involved in an accident remarkably similar to that which
occurred with the Rocket Sled. Again, Defendant sold over the counter, without caveat, a product which attached powerful jet engines (in this case,
two) to inadequate vehicles, with little or no provision for passenger safety. Encumbered by his heavy casts, Mr. Coyote lost control of the Rocket
Skates soon after strapping them on, and collided with a roadside billboard so violently as to leave a hole in the shape of his full silhouette.
Mr. Coyote states that on occasions too numerous to list in this document he has suffered mishaps with explosives purchased of Defendant: the Acme
"Little Giant" Firecracker, the Acme Self-Guided Aerial Bomb, etc. (For a full listing, see the Acme Mail Order Explosives Catalogue and attached
deposition, entered in evidence as Exhibit C.) Indeed, it is safe to say that not once has an explosive purchased of Defendant by Mr. Coyote performed
in an expected manner.
To cite just one example: At the expense of much time and personal effort, Mr. Coyote constructed around the outer rim of a butte a wooden trough
beginning at the top of the butte and spiraling downward around it to some few feet above a black X painted on the desert floor. The trough was
designed in such a way that a spherical explosive of the type sold by Defendant would roll easily and swiftly down to the point of detonation
indicated by the X. Mr. Coyote placed a generous pile of birdseed directly on the X, and then, carrying the spherical Acme Bomb (Catalogue #78-832),
climbed to the top of the butte. Mr. Coyote's prey, seeing the birdseed, approached, and Mr. Coyote proceeded to light the fuse. In an instant, the
fuse burned down to the stem, causing the bomb to detonate.
In addition to reducing all Mr. Coyote's careful preparations to naught, the premature detonation of Defendant's product resulted in the following
disfigurements to Mr. Coyote:
1. Severe singeing of the hair on the head, neck, and muzzle.
2. Sooty discoloration.
3. Fracture of the left ear at the stem, causing the ear to dangle in the after shock with a creaking noise.
4. Full or partial combustion of whiskers, producing kinking, frazzling, and ashy disintegration.
5. Radical widening of the eyes, due to brow and lid charring.
We come now to the Acme Spring-Powered Shoes. The remains of a pair of these purchased by Mr. Coyote on June 23rd are Plaintiff's Exhibit D. Selected
fragments have been shipped to the metallurgical laboratories of the University of California at Santa Barbara for analysis, but to date, no
explanation has been found for this product's sudden and extreme malfunction.
As advertised by Defendant, this product is simplicity itself: two wood- and-metal sandals, each attached to milled-steel springs of high tensile
strength and compressed in a tightly coiled position by a c-cking device with a lanyard release. Mr. Coyote believed that this product would enable
him to pounce upon his prey in the initial moments of the chase, when swift reflexes are at a premium.
To increase the shoes' thrusting power still further, Mr. Coyote affixed them by their bottoms to the side of a large boulder. Adjacent to the boulder
was a path which Mr. Coyote's prey was known to frequent. Mr. Coyote put his hind feet in the wood-and-metal sandals and crouched in readiness, his
right forepaw holding firmly to the lanyard release. Within a short time Mr. Coyote's prey did indeed appear on the path coming toward him.
Unsuspecting, the prey stopped near Mr. Coyote, well within range of the springs at full extension. Mr. Coyote gauged the distance with care and
proceeded to pull the lanyard release.
At this point, Defendant's product should have thrust Mr. Coyote forward and away from the boulder. Instead, for reasons yet unknown, the Acme
Spring-Powered Shoes thrust the boulder away from Mr. Coyote. As the intended prey looked on unharmed, Mr. Coyote hung suspended in air. Then the twin
springs recoiled, bringing Mr. Coyote to a violent feet- first collision with the boulder, the full weight of his head and forequarters falling upon
his extremities.
The force of this impact then caused the springs to rebound, whereupon Mr. Coyote was thrust skyward. A second recoil and collision followed. The
boulder, meanwhile, which was roughly ovoid in shape, had begun to bounce down a hillside, the coiling and recoiling of the springs adding to its
velocity. At each bounce, Mr. Coyote came into contact with the boulder, or the boulder came into contact with Mr. Coyote, or both came into contact
with the ground. As the grade was a long one, this process continued for sometime.
The sequence of collisions resulted in systemic physical damage to Mr. Coyote, viz., flattening of the cranium, sideways displacement of the tongue,
reduction of length of legs and upper body, and compression of vertebrae from base of tail to head. Repetition of blows along a vertical axis produced
a series of regular horizontal folds in Mr. Coyote's body tissues--a rare and painful condition which caused Mr. Coyote to expand upward and contract
downward alternately as he walked, and to emit an off-key, accordion-like wheezing with every step. The distracting and embarrassing nature of this
symptom has been a major impediment to Mr. Coyote's pursuit of a normal social life.
As the court is no doubt aware, Defendant has a virtual monopoly of manufacture and sale of goods required by Mr. Coyote's work. It is our contention
that Defendant has used its market advantage to the detriment of the consumer of such specialized products as itching powder, giant kites, Burmese
tiger traps, anvils, and two-hundred-foot-long rubber bands. Much as he has come to mistrust Defendant's products, Mr. Coyote has no other domestic
source of supply to which to turn. One can only wonder what our trading partners in Western Europe and Japan would make of such a situation, where a
giant company is allowed to victimize the consumer in the most reckless and wrongful manner over and over again.
Mr. Coyote respectfully requests that the Court regard these larger economic implications and assess punitive damages in the amount of seventeen
million dollars. In addition, Mr. Coyote seeks actual damages (missed meals, medical expenses, days lost from professional occupation) of one million
dollars; general damages (mental suffering, injury to reputation) of twenty million dollars; and attorney's fees of seven hundred and fifty thousand
dollars. By awarding Mr. Coyote the full amount, this Court will censure Defendant, its directors, officers, shareholders, successors, and assigns, in
the only language they understand, and reaffirm the right of the individual predator to equal protection under the law.
[This lawsuit appeared in a column, written by Scott Anderson. You can subscribe to this column, delivered by email, by sending a message to the
following address: joke-request@tdkt.skypoint.net. On the first line of the message, type the word 'subscribe' without the '. - staff]
[On 12/12/95 we received the following e-mail:
>Subject: Re: Wiley Coyote v. Acme Company
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>I read the above item at your web site, and it seems to be an almost
>verbatim copy of "Coyote v. Acme" by Ian Frazier, which was published
>in the New Yorker magazine on 2/26/90, pages 42-43. However, you give
>no credit to Mr. Frazier. . . .
Since we have no idea who, if anyone, actually has rights to this work we hope that these acknowledgements will satisfy. If not, let us know. - staff]
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Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
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Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Wiley catches the RR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRzcCbjQ_5I
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Amen ....
Don't believe everything you think....
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Wiley says, "You feed me, nature feeds me...whatever. Either way I'm a creative survivor.
...yeecchhh..those damn feathers..."
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
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He does obey my commands when he hears my serious voice. |
I am positive that Paco heard your "serious voice" in that situation. |
Paco! Go get me another Pacifico! |
Toneart that is a beautiful picture. I knew a guy that had a yellow Lab that he taught to open the ice box and get a beer and bring it to him. He said
he would have showed him how to open the can but thought the dog might drink the beer.
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Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
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He does obey my commands when he hears my serious voice. |
I am positive that Paco heard your "serious voice" in that situation. |
Paco! Go get me another Pacifico! |
Toneart that is a beautiful picture. I knew a guy that had a yellow Lab that he taught to open the ice box and get a beer and bring it to him. He said
he would have showed him how to open the can but thought the dog might drink the beer. |
Yep! Dogs can be wily that way! When it comes to bears or beer, you have to
use your serious voice.
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After this little guy ripped a window off of the house while trying to break in to my office (where no food is kept) the Department of Fish and Game
issued a Depravation Permit and he is now fertilizing some trees that he once enjoyed the fruit from. I love having the animals around and it was
their territory first, when they become destructive and threatening to my family, my love ends. JH
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by bajamedic]
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Quote: | Originally posted by bajamedic

After this little guy ripped a window off of the house while trying to break in to my office (where no food is kept) the Department of Fish and Game
issued a Depravation Permit and he is now fertilizing some trees that he once enjoyed the fruit from. I love having the animals around and it was
their territory first, when they become destructive and threatening to my family, my love ends. JH
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by bajamedic] |

After these little guys tried to steal my picnic basket , Mr. Ranger gave me a Deprivation Permit - They made my day and now are fertilizing the
wildflowers ..
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if it was me looking down the nose of that blackie..... the first one to blink would be pushing up daisies.
there are benefits to being at the top of the food chain, and having an opossable thumb! they were here first, of course. but the smart ones learn
that the easy meal isn't always the best course.
something humans could learn from.....
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Quote: | Originally posted by Marc
To mcfez. Hey Big Fella. My son is a CHP officer in Weaverville, Ca. He is now on temp loan to the county. His job is busting pot growers and meth
labs. He also works with the Fish & Game people. He has two small children. Do you think he is going to shoot a bear illegally. Who is the dope??
Look in the mirror!!
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc] |
I sincerely hope that your son did not inherit your disposition. "My son is CHP", so what!! Anyone can be a "triple-A with a gun". That piece of tin
on a peace officers chest means nothing if the person wearing it is a m oron.
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by sanquintinsince73]
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by sanquintinsince73]
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I think this guy is getting his Deprivation process too.
The ranger here is bout to do him in for being a nuisance.
I just love some of these wanna be John Wayne types here at BN. Talking tough about killing bears for breaking a window or stealing last nights dinner
left overs. Yeah...just kill them dead. It's faster, cheaper, and more thrilling than simply putting the critter asleep and do relocation.
Now if the bear is directly coming in for attack towards one...sure...do it in. But raiding your garbage can? You John Wayne "wanne be's" belong at
the Holiday Inn.......sounds like you cant handle a little nature

[Edited on 12-5-2010 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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No Bears, No Elk, No Moose in Baja
Just some (very) Odd Fellows.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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Sorry - all this macho (make my day bear) gun talk is a problem with me . I think such people fear and/or are of touch with wildlife. Bears come
round where I live in the fall - they are desperate for food to consume enough calories to survive hibernation. People aren't responsible - trash,
barbecues, bird feeders, open windows . They scare easily - banging pots and pans sends them running. Round hear the policy of the Division of
Wildlife seems to be to monitor the animal - they wait and see if the animal leaves - if it hangs around they shoot it with a tranquilizer dart and
relocate it . Anyway , no humans killed around here lately from bear attacks to my knowledge - many bears killed to human ignorance and negligence.
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Quote: | Originally posted by mojo_norte
Sorry - all this macho (make my day bear) gun talk is a problem with me . I think such people fear and/or are of touch with wildlife. Bears come
round where I live in the fall - they are desperate for food to consume enough calories to survive hibernation. People aren't responsible - trash,
barbecues, bird feeders, open windows . They scare easily - banging pots and pans sends them running. Round hear the policy of the Division of
Wildlife seems to be to monitor the animal - they wait and see if the animal leaves - if it hangs around they shoot it with a tranquilizer dart and
relocate it . Anyway , no humans killed around here lately from bear attacks to my knowledge - many bears killed to human ignorance and negligence.
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Right on. These and coyotes are beautiful creatures and to actually see one in person, in the wild, is an awesome experience. I say shoot the
shooters!!!
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Shari,
Now you see all the trouble you have caused by feeding a sick old coyote  You have
clearly upset the balance of nature and a bunch of bad stuff has ensued. 
Why don't you just stick to sitting back in BA and stop upsetting everyone???
There seems to be some sensitivities ruffled....you have folks shooting bears and cougars....others shooting at the bear and cougar hunters, and you
have even managed to get Wile E. killing a poor bird
I just am so upset by all this
I think you are an insensitive anarchist just toying with the good folks of this No Mad forum....stop trolling....so we can get back to picking on DK
or complaining about la mordida surges...
         
Don't believe everything you think....
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