| Pages:
1
..
3
4
5
6 |
gnukid
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4411
Registered: 7-2-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
At the risk of losing your patience, it's apparent that important discussions take longer. Let's take a closer look at the factors that relate to the
dumbing down of the voters (blurps):
For ever in time, there has been the struggle to reign control over the masses by those who claim right to govern over them. Over time, greater
understanding of the collective psychology of man has revealed more about the inner psychology of the human being as both capable of logical reasoning
yet more so controlled by irrational thoughts and desires that Sigmund Freud researched and wrote about, later his nephew Edward Bernays used the ideas to further propaganda into political science and public relations which he used successfully to promote marketing of many products such as cigarettes
and the take over the banana republics among many other political feats.
Language plays a big part as well, language is both localized and globalized, language is the programming of the people, the meaning of words has both
implicit and explicit meaning for example, the word Kid means child and it also means goat in english. Goats are herded by masters. Those who seek
power use words throughout society to both communicate implicit and explicit meaning-this is one form of implicit control.
People may be able to use language to describe their world, but if they can not they remain unable to discuss the way things are or the way things
used to be or the way things ought to be. So education plays a critical role in either giving people the tools they need to think or reducing their
ability to think and discuss ideas.
As Royals and warlords became aware of the peoples ability to form liasons and factions they discovered they could be led regardless of their
inclination, so, it was determined that by creating and controlling the opposition one can lead the both the power center and the opposition, by
fractionalizing larger groups into smaller ones, groups could be corralled and led against one another.
Ultimately there were societies that were controlled with an iron fist, but this is costly, instead it was discovered that people could be led to
demand the very goals of the Royal warlords, for example to demand taxes for certain goals, to demand enslavement of certain groups, to vote for and
demand a fictional representative leader as the image of their collective ideals such as the modern mayor, governor and president while behind these
public images are the real yet hidden leaders, a shadow government that you will never see.
By reducing peoples ability to reason with logic and discuss ideas they could be led more easily, false arguments could be used. Plato was among the
philosophers who joined a society known as the Socratic Society who explored these ideas and wrote about them in works such as Plato's Republic. Led
by Socrates, Plato, Xenophon and Aristophanes wrote about the meaning of justice and truth.
The study of of logic and critical thinking involves the trivium and quadrivium, the trivium is made up of the lower of the seven liberal arts, logic, grammar and rhetoric. The quadrivium is the four
higher four liberal arts, geometry, astronomy, arithmetic, and music.
By removing the study of these arts from education, false or fallacious arguments may be used to fractionalize the people in subgroups and lead them to battle each other, ultimately demanding the goals
outlined by the power elite. Some examples of false arguments or fallacious arguments are first the ad hominem attack, instead of attacking the
subject you attack the person. For example, if person A made an argument for free education for all, a fallacious argument against that might be, you
are liberal retard. Another false argument is the false premise, for example, most people are stupid therefore free education for all would never
work. There are hundreds of false arguments, they are often see here on BN and easily spotted if you know the trivium you can identify them if not you
may find yourself arguing in circles and losing your focus and energy toward a logical outcome.
Over time, there has been increasing skill to control the discussion as well as limit education, by doing so those who seek to lead the masses use
many false arguments. A common example is the false strawman argument or fallacy of extension, for example, person A claims an exaggerated position of
person B and attacks that position as wrong. Another common false argument is the fallacy of the anonymous authority, for example Experts agree... but
you don't name the source as it does not exist. The list is long but you get the point, other common false arguments are Needling, Lies, Inflation of
Conflict etc...
So you see by educating yourself about logic, grammar and rhetoric (dialect) you can empower yourself to recognize false arguments that are used to
fractionalize communities, divide and conquer and control the population in order to lead them to demand their own enslavement under a self-appointed
ruler.
This process of control through control of language and education has been going on for eons, there are countless books written by both those who seek
to promote self-education such as Plato and those such as Manley P. Hall who seek to promote the control of the masses for the benefit of a few, we've
discussed many of those here as well as witnessed their incarnation. While this process has gone on forever, the influence of the few over the masses
has grown by those who attempt to control the language, the media and subsequently the message, as Marshal McLuhan noted "the medium is the massage".
Take the time to learn about the trivium and how to spot these clearly obvious false arguments and you will find yourself free to pursue clarity and
truth toward your independence and education.
[Edited on 2-4-2011 by gnukid]
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
Gnu....it's about your avatar...what's cookin'?
|
|
|
Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
Barry: May I answer Goat?
Goat You will never be successful at changing People to your ways. You can fool some of the People some of the time but not all of the People all of
the time.
If you had been rasied in my time you could have seen the Principle, Character, Strength of the American People. It is still there and there are
enough Grandkids and future Children that will prevent these "lazy Thinkers" from ever defeating the Great United States -From With out or from
Within.
Look around Why do you think there are more People in Church on Sunday that go to the Movies??
Why do you think TEXAS is doing so great when other States are losing their Businesses and People??
Could it be that the BAPTIST are doing a Better Job at running Texas than the DOPERS?? are running California/Nevada??
|
|
|
gnukid
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4411
Registered: 7-2-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
Dennis, You bring up another excellent point which relates to this subject of voters and Nomads; your body and brain functions require a complex diet
for your brain to function fully.
I'm cooking beans with are rich in protein, ranchera salsa, chicken soup stock and risotto to go along with fresh salad, vegetables, melon and fruit.
I believe that these pots cooking in the morning and at night also create healthy aromatherapy, they heat the house in the cold weather like today,
they make you feel good even if you aren't eating them at the moment and by the same token we are influenced by the plants around us, their qualities
affect us whether we are eating them at the moment or not.
People are dumbed down directly through poor diet. When you see the locals hit the tienda for a 2 liter coke, chips and candy--the result is poor
brain function. Many items found in the store are actually poisonous for your body, like artificial sweeteners and diet drinks with aspartame and others are foods with no benefits yet contain high fructose corn syrup. Worse the names of foods are being confused through manipulation of FDA regulation and organics and genetically modified foods are not labeled effectively to inform buyers.
Nutrition is key to brain function. If instead of poison and empty foods, you eat a complex diet of fresh raw foods that deliver nutrients, minerals
and energy that you get from local sources that you know are grown in safe and healthy manner, and you add staples from healthy sources you will feed
your brain and body and allow it to function fully. A complex diet will also give you more energy and you will be less likely to react with extreme
emotion such as depression or manic behavior, I think you'll find your reasoning ability improves and you reach your potential.
While I don't eat perfectly, nor have I reached my potential, I try and I enjoy a broad and complex diet including fish, meat and eggs, home made
bread. I simply try to add diversity and more raw local foods. I find I am more calm and more able to think reasonably without overreacting or
becoming unnecessarily emotional. In short a good complex diet of healthy food allows you be closer to achieving your full ability. My daily goals
are to prepare 20 vegetables and to begin the day with healthy fresh meal.
Here are pictures of my current midwinter rooftop garden in Baja, we just ate a cantelope melon that I harvested at this moment. In our community we
are sharing seeds, sharing harvests and sharing knowledge of how to garden.
[Edited on 2-4-2011 by gnukid]
|
|
|
Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
gnukid;
Are you a Girl?
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
gnukid;
Are you a Girl? |
Of course he isn't a girl. He was talking about melons and thought it would be helpful to illustrate his point. I think it was a very nice gesture.
Very Very nice.
|
|
|
wessongroup
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 21152
Registered: 8-9-2009
Location: Mission Viejo
Member Is Offline
Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
|
|
Funny, I liked the corn... 
|
|
|
monoloco
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6667
Registered: 7-13-2009
Location: Pescadero BCS
Member Is Offline
|
|
Gnu, you are right about the manipulation of the masses, it isn't something new, but with the ever increasing number of hours every day that the
corporate media commands our attention it has become a very effective science from which none of us are immune. The only way to avoid it is to get out
in the world and experience what's really going on so we have counter references to the spin, unfortunately, the majority are quite content to sit on
their Lazy Boy and have the glowing box do their thinking for them.
|
|
|
Bajahowodd
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9274
Registered: 12-15-2008
Location: Disneyland Adjacent and anywhere in Baja
Member Is Offline
|
|
I Dunno
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
gnukid;
Are you a Girl? |
Can't say that I agree with Skeet all that often, but the text sure would support the contention.
So, while we are at it, and still intoxicated by a combo of zen and new age babble, someone 'splain to me how it is that Egypt has by far the greatest
number of unemplyed college graduates in the world.
|
|
|
Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
Howodd:
Because they have no Jobs, no real maufacturing, or large emploers who make a lot of Money and Hire them.
Or could it be that the Muslim Brotherhood are teaching them that they donot have to work, just get the Govt. to give them Money???
Why is it that those Dummies cannot take after the Chinese where everybody has to work or Die???
Finally to Gnukid: Kid I did not understand your very long and Accruate Thread with so many fancy words.
Your use of words that I have never seen or heard cause me to relect and wonder if they are "Code" ??
Back in 1941 I listened on a Battery Radio to FDR say If they want War we are going to have War".. The people of this great County responded and
whipped the Poop out of Germany and Japan. We can do that to North Korea and Iran in a Minute, and it maybe that we will have too do just that in the
near future and I and old Korean War Vet am ready to go and "Whup some more Butt"//
|
|
|
BajaRat
Super Nomad
Posts: 1302
Registered: 3-2-2010
Location: SW Four Corners / Bahia Asuncion BCS
Member Is Offline
Mood: Ready for some salt water with my Tecate
|
|
" I am Lothar of the hill people, I am a simple man and do not understand your ways" . I'm not quite convinced that people around the world are as
bumbling and ill conceived as portrayed here. As able adults we all feed ourselves.
|
|
|
Skeet/Loreto
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4709
Registered: 9-2-2003
Member Is Offline
|
|
Jesse:
In the past few years there has involved among some of the younger Generation a "Need to be told what to do". This probably comes from the High
Schools where each time a kid needs to Wipe his Nose, it takes a couple of Consulars{Govt. Employees}.
As they got older and went to the Universities and received "Spam" from the more Liberal Profs they became addicted to thinking that they had to do
what the Authority was telling them.
This is apparent in small Municiplas with the Boards of Alderman controlled by a "City Manager"{Also a Govt Employee.
TV and the Internet brought it to everyone. The use of "Scarey Photos and Stories warning People of different outcomes unless they did what they were
told became the Norm.
|
|
|
wessongroup
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 21152
Registered: 8-9-2009
Location: Mission Viejo
Member Is Offline
Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
gnukid;
Are you a Girl? |
Can't say that I agree with Skeet all that often, but the text sure would support the contention.
So, while we are at it, and still intoxicated by a combo of zen and new age babble, someone 'splain to me how it is that Egypt has by far the greatest
number of unemplyed college graduates in the world. |
Ya mean even more than the 31.5 million unemployed here in the United States... what's the break out on those numbers... tried to read all of your
post on that report... put could not find a break down by education...
Was somewhat amazed at the admitted amount of unemployed workers in the United States.. which is always spoken in terms of %, not actual "numbers" of
non working folks in the United States.. it doesn't hurt as much when % is used rather than a real number....
As for unemployment, perhaps... the Global Melt down just "pushed" all those in the "vast middle class" which used to exist in Egypt, into the "new
class" which we are finding HERE ..... or are 31.5 Million Americans going to be going back to those "jobs" which used to be here... one way or the
other....
|
|
|
MitchMan
Super Nomad
Posts: 1855
Registered: 3-9-2009
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Here I am an Addled old Fart with a Couple of Million in my Hip Pocket, a Beautifull Young wife for the past 30 years{As of Feb. 14th} Spent 38 years
in Baja Sur and the Sea of Cortez, a 50 Year Freemason, a Shriner, Former Alderman, Pilot, Skier, Cowboy, Investigator, College Degree,
AND HASVE NEVER LOWERED MY SELF TO DOPE |
Skeet, I am impressed with with the above, for sure.
Question: Do you drink alcoholic beverages? In your opinion, is there a difference between smoking dope and drinking alcoholic beverages - not in
the kind of high nor with regard to the legality of either, but from the moral/immoral perspective of the practice of voluntarily choosing
inebriation?
[Edited on 2-15-2011 by MitchMan]
|
|
|
gnukid
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4411
Registered: 7-2-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
Interesting that Jesse and the gang point so clearly to an important subject, which is that 'stupid' people in general are being misled by two sides
of the same thing, a false battle of brother-sister-like political combat, whose end result is the same, for the same power elite.
Yet while pointing it out, the speaker blames the plebians for their tendency to follow shallow cutout political figures and at the same time
professes belief in the system?
This thread touches on the-majority-are-dumb-except-me concept, a arrogant, sanctimonious and pedantic position that posits that it's everyone else at
fault, except of course MEEEE! While, a more thorough hashing of this subject would also include these ideas:
Anyone who believes the political system elects representatives is at fault
Anyone who participates is at fault
Anyone who blames others is clearly at fault
I am responsible for what happens around me
If we were to identify a personality trait which serves the political charade it would certainly be the idea that it's everyone else fault 'cept me,
and since I am alone in this world I can do nothing to help. The mindset both serves the politic and the individual with a rationale for failure to
act in a manner which includes action and responsibility for your community.
On the other hand, wouldn't the societal ideal perception be that everyone is capable of helping the process, everyone is capable of seeing the
theatrical mis-leaders being selected by hidden power elites and everyone has infinite capability of being aware and intelligent in their decision
making, and infinitely active toward changing the political system toward a more functional method of managers of basic infrastructure and city
services?
[Edited on 2-16-2011 by gnukid]
|
|
|
wessongroup
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 21152
Registered: 8-9-2009
Location: Mission Viejo
Member Is Offline
Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
|
|
Russell Means ... has a standing offer .. renounce citizenship.. and all monies from the Government of the United States ... and one can live forever
on the "res"... not sure how "Passports" work for Native American's... living on the "res"
Believe, if one wished to make a personal statement about the government and the controlling "factors" .. it would be the strongest against what is
happening... and would, if all applied... make some rather major changes quickly... the results.. well, who knows...
Still thinking... just hate that cold weather...
[Edited on 2-15-2011 by wessongroup]
|
|
|
comitan
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4177
Registered: 3-27-2004
Location: La Paz
Member Is Offline
Mood: mellow
|
|
gnukid
I personally understand your pictures better than your verbalization. 
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
|
|
|
gnukid
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4411
Registered: 7-2-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
Ok, better if I use BN colloquialism?
YO that Jessie is the pot calling the kettle black, yo!
Dude its the system man, its the system-they holding a brother down jack!
Man I was fishing and what not, at that moment I felt free, like really free!
Does that summarize my points compadre?
Or, it's the dam microwave ovens-its controlling der minds!
[Edited on 2-15-2011 by gnukid]
|
|
|
DENNIS
Platinum Nomad
Posts: 29510
Registered: 9-2-2006
Location: Punta Banda
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Does that summarize my points compadre? |
It probably does, but I'm not sure.
Who exhumed this thread anyway??
|
|
|
gnukid
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4411
Registered: 7-2-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Russell Means ... has a standing offer .. renounce citizenship.. and all monies from the Government of the United States ... and one can live forever
on the "res"... not sure how "Passports" work for Native American's... living on the "res"
Believe, if one wished to make a personal statement about the government and the controlling "factors" .. it would be the strongest against what is
happening... and would, if all applied... make some rather major changes quickly... the results.. well, who knows...
Still thinking... just hate that cold weather...
[Edited on 2-15-2011 by wessongroup] |
I'm struck by the clarity of this post-thank you for excellent writing!
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
..
3
4
5
6 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
