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JoeJustJoe
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Opps as soon as I write something that looks a little positive for Rhon. A major set back comes in.
It looks like two of the 88 weapons that were confiscated during the raid have been linked to two separate murders by two types of guns!
Of course there is still a chance those weapons were placed there to set Rhon up for the fall?
Anyway here is the article if you want more details:
Vinculan 2 armas con asesinatos
http://www.afntijuana.info/
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Woooosh
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I keep saying video is going to change Mexico- for the better. It'll be out on YouTube soon, if not already no doubt. I'm a little jealous Hank's
security cameras trick off to the hundred of a second... ok, not really.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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BajaGringo
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I saw the news reports of Hank when he was filmed being moved from one locale to another. Something that struck me was how serious he looked in all of
the footage, not even once forcing a smile for the cameras to feign self assurance.
I wonder now if it might be because he knew they would eventually trace back a couple of those weapons???
[Edited on 6-12-2011 by BajaGringo]
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BajaNews
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http://www.sandiegored.com/noticias/13240/Two-released-on-ba...
By: Omar Millán
10 Junio 2011
The federal Attorney General’s Office announced Wednesday that 49 of the 88 weapons seized at Hank Rhon’s home around dawn on Saturday were for the
exclusive use of the army. Ten of them were licensed, but five of them not to any of the 10 detained along with Hank Rhon. The remaining 78 were not
licensed, the office said.
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Lawyer of ex-Tijuana mayor denies guns carved with Hank Rhon's name are his
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM...
By Mariana Martinez
TIJUANA, Mexico — The lawyer for detained former Tijuana Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon says the claim by federal prosecutors that weapons found on his
client's property are carved with his name does not mean the guns are his.
Attorney Fernando Benitez says anyone can carve a name on an object and say it is proof of ownership.
Benitez told reporters Saturday that none of the 88 guns seized in a raid on the home of the ex-Tijuana mayor were Hank Rhon's, nor had they been kept
on his property.
Federal prosecutors said Friday that two of the weapons, a .44 calibre revolver and a shotgun, are linked to two killings and that at least two guns
had Hank Rhon's name engraved on them.
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DENNIS
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How do they link a shotgun to anything without doing balistics?
Bajaguy/Terry....you out there?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
How do they link a shotgun to anything without doing balistics?
Bajaguy/Terry....you out there? |
If the shotgun were used and a spent casing was left behind they could match the firing pin indentations. They can also match scuffs on the shotshell
casing to the shotgun's bore and extractors.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by choyero
If the shotgun were used and a spent casing was left behind they could match the firing pin indentations. They can also match scuffs on the shotshell
casing to the shotgun's bore and extractors. |
This is way more CSI than I ever gave Mexico credit for, but you're probably right.
About five years back, I had a bunch of lumber stolen from my yard, which was promptly reported to the state police. Six days later they showed up
and were going to fingerprint the plastic that covered one of the stacks and I had folded out of the way.
They thought better of it and left. Just as well.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNews
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM...
By Mariana Martinez
TIJUANA, Mexico — The lawyer for detained former Tijuana Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon says the claim by federal prosecutors that weapons found on his
client's property are carved with his name does not mean the guns are his.
Attorney Fernando Benitez says anyone can carve a name on an object and say it is proof of ownership.
Benitez told reporters Saturday that none of the 88 guns seized in a raid on the home of the ex-Tijuana mayor were Hank Rhon's, nor had they been kept
on his property.
Federal prosecutors said Friday that two of the weapons, a .44 calibre revolver and a shotgun, are linked to two killings and that at least two guns
had Hank Rhon's name engraved on them. |
Well, the arrest of Hank was ruled valid today. He denies owning the two old guns with his name on them. That 's gonna be tough for people to
believe.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Well, the arrest of Hank was ruled valid today. He denies owning the two old guns with his name on them. That 's gonna be tough for people to
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People don't matter. This is just like the US courts. Deny everything. Say they were planted.
If Mexico has a Johnny Cochran on the defense, it may work.
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Mexican state prosecutor says guns in Hank Rhon's home killed security guard,stolen car seller
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM...
By The Associated Press
TIJUANA, Mexico — The prosecutor of Mexico's Baja California state says two guns found in former Tijuana Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon's home were used to
kill a security guard and a man accused of selling stolen cars.
Rommel Moreno says the men were killed in Tijuana's financial district in 2009 and 2010.
Moreno told reporters Sunday that Hank Rhon, detained last week in a raid on his home that yielded 88 weapons, will testify before a judge Monday from
prison.
Soldiers arrested Hank Rhon and 10 other men in the raid, seizing illegal weapons including a .44-calibre revolver and a shotgun that ballistics test
results linked to the two killings.
Hank Rhon has denied any knowledge of the guns and his lawyer has said none of the guns seized were Hank Rhon's.
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I watched a program last night of journalists discussing the story and they brought up a couple of interesting points:
If the anonymous tip came in from some concerned citizen who saw some guys with guns, why was the team that performed the raid flown in from Mexico
City on a Hercules? That was something that was not mentioned in the reports up to now. I suppose that will just fuel the crowd who believe this is
all politically motivated.
Another journalist who has attended the proceedings and read the PGR report said it seemed "interesting" to him that the military reported entering
the home and found all 88 weapons in a large case in the living room of the home. I had imagined they had a room somewhere in the home / complex where
such things would be stored.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNews
TIJUANA, Mexico — The prosecutor of Mexico's Baja California state says two guns found in former Tijuana Mayor Jorge Hank Rhon's home were used to
kill a security guard and a man accused of selling stolen cars.
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Illegal weapons don't come with authentication of title. It is relatively easy and cheap to buy off the street but most weapons have a prior record. I
seriously doubt Hank or his security would keep weapons used in their own criminal activities. They wouldn't be that stupid.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I watched a program last night of journalists discussing the story and they brought up a couple of interesting points:
If the anonymous tip came in from some concerned citizen who saw some guys with guns, why was the team that performed the raid flown in from Mexico
City on a Hercules? That was something that was not mentioned in the reports up to now. I suppose that will just fuel the crowd who believe this is
all politically motivated.
Another journalist who has attended the proceedings and read the PGR report said it seemed "interesting" to him that the military reported entering
the home and found all 88 weapons in a large case in the living room of the home. I had imagined they had a room somewhere in the home / complex where
such things would be stored. |
For sure those are interesting points. Can't you be military and make a citizen complaint. It didn't say civilian complaint. No one would keep that
many guns in their living room and I would think the security forces used separate areas of the main house. You think they kept all that ammo there
too? Why keep the guns and ammo separate? The Judge did her walk through and didn't have a problem with the arrest scenario it seems. Interesting
stuff though.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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jenny.navarrette
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Illegal weapons don't come with authentication of title. It is relatively easy and cheap to buy off the street but most weapons have a prior record. I
seriously doubt Hank or his security would keep weapons used in their own criminal activities. They wouldn't be that stupid.
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Yes they would. Money is not the same thing as intelligence. And Hank may not know what every single jerk-off working for him was doing on his free
time with Hank's guns.
It is far easier to believe that Hank owned those 88 weapons and 10,000 rounds of ammo, than to believe they were all planted there. Especially since
the closed circuit tapes do not show any soldiers carrying in any weapons. 88 rifles and guns and 10,000 rounds would weigh over 500 pounds. It would
take several people and a few trips to sneak those all in while Hank was sleeping. Since a video of them doing that would be exculpatory, you would
think his lawyers would have produced that, right?
It never ceases to amaze me how people are willing to latch on to ridiculous theories of conspiracies that would require improbable events closely
coordinated by dozens of people to pull off. All the while not one person snitching on the conspiracy.
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I don't believe, for one minute, that those weapons aren't Hank's or his security or that they aren't capable. Just believe
that these two weapons were acquired after the fact. Even low level mafioso know enough to discard weapons used in murder.
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I don't know; hard to believe anyone would leave a cache of guns that size in their living room. What do you tell the kids and the staff? Dust around
it?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
I don't know; hard to believe anyone would leave a cache of guns that size in their living room. What do you tell the kids and the staff? Dust around
it? |
Why do you think Hank left a cache of guns in his living room? Was it because you read that here? Read the news in Spanish. The guns were found hidden
all over the house and brought into the living room for inventory and photos.
By the way, Hank's wife, María Elvia Amaya, made a public statement to the press immediately after the arrest saying that all the guns were legal. She
therefore admitted that they were Hank's guns and were in her home. When Hank's lawyers got wind of this they had her change her story to where she
does not know about any guns. But her public statements have been picked up and printed everywhere.
Yet all the conspiracy theorists are willing to overlook her confession to owning the guns.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jenny.navarrette
| Quote: | Originally posted by krafty
I don't know; hard to believe anyone would leave a cache of guns that size in their living room. What do you tell the kids and the staff? Dust around
it? |
Why do you think Hank left a cache of guns in his living room? Was it because you read that here? Read the news in Spanish. The guns were found hidden
all over the house and brought into the living room for inventory and photos.
By the way, Hank's wife, María Elvia Amaya, made a public statement to the press immediately after the arrest saying that all the guns were legal. She
therefore admitted that they were Hank's guns and were in her home. When Hank's lawyers got wind of this they had her change her story to where she
does not know about any guns. But her public statements have been picked up and printed everywhere.
Yet all the conspiracy theorists are willing to overlook her confession to owning the guns. |
Whatever you say, Nancy/Fulano/Arrowhead.
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Perhaps my friend BajaGringo might agree that we are witnessing political theater here. Hank was arrested and whisked off the Mexico City in his
pajamas. Soon, to be returned to El Hongo in Tecate.
From What I've read, and I don't claim expertise, even if convicted of the current charges, Hank could do as little as three months.
Really looks to me to be a politically inspired action. Sad part about it is that Hank has basically been on the edge as far as illegitimacy is
concerned for seemingly ever.
It kinda reminds me of so many of the cases the ACLU gets hammered about when they attempt to apply the actual law against the charges brought up on
an unsavory character.
Bad guys have rights, too.
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