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Barry A.
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Right on, Dennis!!!! and, somewhere back in this thread I 100% agreed with DaliDali.
I do not understand what McFez is upset about--------it seems so simple to me. Cops are expected to write tickets as part of their job, but nobody
IN MY EXPERIENCE every said "how many" they are supposed to write. End of story.
A San Diego Police Sargeant once did tell me that street patrol traffice cops in San Diego at that time averaged about "3.5 citations each 8 hours
shift"-----------but I certainly never took that as a "quota"------it was simply a statistic, used for evaluating how an officer was doing relative to
their peers. Perhaps it is all in the interpretation.
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Thanks McSnitch, I needed that!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
Barry....your statements are more in line with Britney Spears statements.
"I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada."
- Britney Spears, Pop Singer
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez] |
?????????????? Once again, you lose me, McFez. What ARE you talking about???
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We should let this die..have the last word Barry
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
McFez----------most of what you write in the above 'post' I don't think I understand---------and again you are making many wrong assumptions.
Once more, let me try to be clear:
(1) In my experience while in LE I never encountered "quotas".
(2) I have been retired from Federal LE for almost 16 years.
(3) I was in Federal LE for 29 years. (late '67 to '96)
(4) I was briefly with the Riverside County Sheriff's Academy as both a student and instructor in 1975 (while a Fed officer)
(5) I was a city cop with the City of San Diego in 1960 for about a year, and then transferred into Federal Law Enforcement in 1967.
IN ALL THAT TIME I NEVER ENCOUNTERED "QUOTAS"-----PERIOD.
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So you really were in a police department that handed out speeding tickets 44 YEARS AGO. Worked there for only a year. This is where you get "I never
encountered quotas".......?
No wonder you are confused with the real facts of "quotas"....I doubt that you as a Fed.....as most Feds...don't carry that ol ticket
book...therefor...why would a discussion of quotas be on the morning agenda at the roll call? That's why you never heard about quotas!
Perhaps you see the clear perception you have proclaimed...how can you make such statements when you where not involved with giving out tickets? We
aint talking about stuff that happened 44 years ago Barry...we are talking about CURRENT EVENTS.
Barry....your statements are more in line with Britney Spears statements. (dont make sense)
"I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada."
- Britney Spears, Pop Singer
Take this to OT Barry ?
[Edited on 11-22-2011 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Barry A.
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Yes, it is now over in OT (why, I am not sure) 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Yes, it is now over in OT (why, I am not sure)
Barry |
Good...where it belongs. Will be there later tonight.
However....I will say this to you Barry....I take my hat off for folks such as you, serving the people. It takes guts to deal with all the low life
and crazies.....putting your life in danger each and every day. If you were here at the moment...I'd invite you over to have a farm dinner with my
family.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Bajafun777
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OK, role call and during role call the monthly stats on tickets given is discussed with pointing out that this count means average is 5 tickets a day.
Is that a quota, Hmmmm, no that is, "Just The Facts Mama Just The Facts,LOL." Evaluations will be reflective to those not meeting the ideal norm for
the average tickets issued you can bet on that. However, again that is not a "quota," yea right!!
Don't take it personal DaliDali, that is just the way it is. Just like the "little bite" is just the the way it is in Mexico. Not saying all cities
do this but damn near all do it because it generates monies in their budget to get other favors from city managers or CEOs of Counties.
DaliDali, you are not the only one that has worked in law enforcement nor are you the only one that understands the word games that occur in law
enforcement. I did not say it was crooked unless it involves those officers that see more as better, regardless of how they achieve those numbers.
Hopefully, you will not defend that there were officers with "I call them as I see them approach," then start laughing as they walked away after
issuing a ticket. As a supervisor, you may try to correct this but you have to see it to call them on it. Like some may say all people that receive
tickets always complain about it, right? Just face it tickets are a hot money item for departments, nothing to get upset about.
We had one city that unfortunately had a memo that got them a little heat in the local newspaper about quotas and yes it was in a memo to officers no
less. That administration quickly had training for their supervisors on how to write memos and how to avoid being in trouble for having quotas.
Let's not even get into speed traps,LOL.
DaliDali, you are definately correct that an officer's evaluation will be reflective of his actions or nonaction that occurs while on patrol,LOL.
Again, the average number of contacts that should be occurring on each shift is not a quota, LOL. OK, just something unreal in that thinking but what
the heck, since "it is what it is." Take Care & Travel Safe---- "No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777
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"If we're all thinking alike, somebody's not thinking." Gen. George S. Patton
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Quotas??
My Dad was a Warden for the California Department of Fish and Game for 30 years.
Before that 3 years with San Jose PD
Before that 1 year with Los Gatos PD
He was also a good friend of mine.
Never did he have a quota...quota is a bad word
Every month the Wardens got a monthly "pinch" list.
Bottom third caught hell
Bottom third did not make their "performance standard"
Come on folks..lets not BS a BS'er
My Dad always had a quota.....
My Dad never ever violated search and seizure laws either.
Har Har
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| Quote: | Come on folks..lets not BS a BS'er
My Dad always had a quota.....
My Dad never ever violated search and seizure laws either.
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WARDENS dont need no STINKING WARRANT if they suspect you have illegal game.
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