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David K
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What was in place of the blackout lights on the early CJs, parking lights?
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You should probably fix it then sell the truck, because everytime your on a bad road you will be tinking about that break. Plus it may crack again and
would you risk your loved ones in a flawed truck.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
What was in place of the blackout lights on the early CJs, parking lights? |
yes
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David K
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Ralph, I just did a search to find this poster of all Jeeps since the 1940 pilot models (Bantum, Ford, Willys)...
http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Poster.html
Anyway, in that thread you mentioned having a '43 GPW (Ford), is your Jeep (seen above) that GPW or did you discover it was an MB (Willys) since?
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ralph, I just did a search to find this poster of all Jeeps since the 1940 pilot models (Bantum, Ford, Willys)...
http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Poster.html
Anyway, in that thread you mentioned having a '43 GPW (Ford), is your Jeep (seen above) that GPW or did you discover it was an MB (Willys) since?
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The registraion says GPW. The serial number would indicate its a MB. As with many military jeeps, some parts are stamped with the GPW (letter F)
like the frame, and some with the MB. So take your pick.
[Edited on 5-17-2012 by rts551]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
You should probably fix it then sell the truck, because everytime your on a bad road you will be tinking about that break. Plus it may crack again and
would you risk your loved ones in a flawed truck. |
OH OH...would you risk someone elses life in a flawed truck?
If fixed correctly it will be stronger than before the crack.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Ralph, I just did a search to find this poster of all Jeeps since the 1940 pilot models (Bantum, Ford, Willys)...
http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Poster.html
Anyway, in that thread you mentioned having a '43 GPW (Ford), is your Jeep (seen above) that GPW or did you discover it was an MB (Willys) since?
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The registraion says GPW. The serial number would indicate its a MB. As with many military jeeps, some parts are stamped with the GPW and some
with the MB. So take your pick. |
That is great...
There are ways to ID it as a Ford GPW vs. Willys-Overland MB. A friend had a GPW and you could see the Ford name in places, like the ID tag and
instuments, etc.
Edit, more (from: http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Poster/GPW.html ) :
As Ford built the last of its GP units, it landed a contract to build jeeps to the Willys pattern. Ford designated these vehicles GPW (Government,
80-inch wheelbase, Willys). The front crossmember is a U-channel instead of the Willys tubular unit. The letter F (Ford) is stamped on most small
components, and the rear stowage compartment differs from the Willys. To war's end, 277,896 Ford GPWs were built, and they're equally as popular and
cherished as the Willys.
[Edited on 5-17-2012 by David K]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
You should probably fix it then sell the truck, because everytime your on a bad road you will be tinking about that break. Plus it may crack again and
would you risk your loved ones in a flawed truck. |
OH OH...would you risk someone elses life in a flawed truck?
If fixed correctly it will be stronger than before the crack. |
Risk is NOT an absolute term. Risk management revolves around possibilities, percentage/probability of something occuring. That's what insurance
companies rely on. That's why car insurance is cheap compared to airplanes and big rigs. Furthermore, some people have higher appetite for risk than
others.
If fixed properly the risk will be much lower. But then "properly" is also a relative term, unless of course you subject the frame to xrays and other
forensic inspections, then it's quantitative. As someone said earlier in this thread, it's not rocket science.
[Edited on 5-17-2012 by edm1]
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Hey we are not building a spacecraft here, we are welding a truck frame..thats all..welding a truck frame...I know that 2 of the trucks we have at the
ranch have had frames welded..And they get ROUGH use everyday, not just a couple of days a year...We aint lost a cowboy yet....Some days thats not a
good thing...
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Latest update:
Toyota will not do anything as expected. No worries on this end. I am scheduled to take my truck in for welding on Monday. DK-I did not hear back
from SpeedWorks so I went with the referral from my service advisor.
Bottom line, I'll be in Baja with my son next weekend as planned and that is all that really matters to me. Thanks again for all the feedback and
suggestions.
Zac
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happy trails!
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Tip :-)
OSHA white, which is APPLIANCE WHITE. Spray as many coats over a clean surface as it takes to turn the area into something that can be wiped down and
inspected at your leisure. Any further cracking will simply scream out for all to see. A trick I learned from my great uncle in Montana. A rancher.
I've had to do this on two vehicles and to me it was a godsend. One went ahead and cracked parallel to the weld, the other held fine. In both cases I
knew about it.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Latest update:
Toyota will not do anything as expected. No worries on this end. I am scheduled to take my truck in for welding on Monday. DK-I did not hear back
from SpeedWorks so I went with the referral from my service advisor.
Bottom line, I'll be in Baja with my son next weekend as planned and that is all that really matters to me. Thanks again for all the feedback and
suggestions.
Zac |
Glad you are taking it to an expert (you can bet there is a reason the dealer will not do it, like liability). While its not rocket science it could
sure be done wrong by a wannabe welder. And do like David says, Paint the area...It wil make any deformities/cracks show up.
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It's no bigee. Bevel the crack with a grinder, weld it together. Your choice, rod or wire. It'll be good to go.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
Latest update:
I am scheduled to take my truck in for welding on Monday. DK-I did not hear back from SpeedWorks so I went with the referral from my service
advisor.
Zac |
They were waiting for your call... phone call... and it is RaceWorks, Stewart's RaceWorks. Anyway, hope it goes well and it is done correctly. Have a
great summer vacation or May vacation!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by daveB
The only time I saw a truck actually break in half was a Toyota, right in front of my eyes. There it sat in the alley, held together by the drive
shaft. Our neighbour, the good Doctor, had to turn around and approach from the other street to get to his house, but smiling all the way. We were all
joining him, happy that the truck had not been in use for a few weeks. Sure, it was an older one, ten or twelve years old, but broken in half? I
guessed that all those coke cans just couldn't cut it (or they just did?) The tow truck arrived, winched it onto our back lawn. They returned later
in the week and gave our son 400 dollars for it. Still could be used, they said, for hunting on the back roads after some work, the drive train was
still good. So good in fact that it momentarily acted in place of the frame to keep it all in one place, I thought. There would be no Toyota truck in
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I believe this has to do with how 'heavy' the trucks from Japan are engineered. I have heard that the Toyota is the preferred truck of the developing
world, but this runs contrary to all that I have heard about 'Legendary Toyota Reliability'. I have seen Rick Pewe's hammered CJ-3 that required a
replacement frame, but nothing to this extreme. Where is David K??
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David K
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Right here... and I am still wondering why there are always hoods raised when you see a bunch of Jeeps parked together?
OK, that was a joke... what do you want Ken?
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Ken Cooke
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Spoken like a true Engineer!
| Quote: | Originally posted by edm1
Risk is NOT an absolute term. Risk management revolves around possibilities, percentage/probability of something occuring. That's what insurance
companies rely on. That's why car insurance is cheap compared to airplanes and big rigs. Furthermore, some people have higher appetite for risk than
others.
If fixed properly the risk will be much lower. But then "properly" is also a relative term, unless of course you subject the frame to xrays and other
forensic inspections, then it's quantitative. As someone said earlier in this thread, it's not rocket science.
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Thanks for the information, Art! 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Right here... and I am still wondering why there are always hoods raised when you see a bunch of Jeeps parked together?
OK, that was a joke... what do you want Ken? |
On-board Air - Jeeps usually plumb their air systems from the engine compartment.
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woody with a view
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baja air system = using the line from the AC compressor to fill a flat!
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