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chuckie
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I have been riding and racing in Baja since 1956. First trip was on a 500 Norton single. Many of the activities and attitudes I see now will bring
about the end of Off Road access in Baja. More and more gates, angry people, less respect. The handwriting is on the wall. A lot of good folks will
never get to enjoy what some of us have. BUT, maybe it's time......
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bajatrailrider
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Here is the thing Rt at least you off road.You know what happened why he had to cut lock.Why bring up old dirt. It was a do or die problem. My whole
post is about working on problems. Chuckie has me beat on his Norton Single. My first Baja ride( Chuckie will know this)In 1976 Rickman Triumph 820cc
It was a 1972 model.Fast forward 2016 still riding,and try to teach.Others from getting along here.The Bs that is tolerated from People that dont
live here,nor are off roaders.Would not be tolerated in the three other web sites I belong to.So I can say sorry to you since your a off road guy
Rt.Keep in mind some off road trips dont go well. Its do or die to get out of there.So don't dwell on one problem.I Was lucky to go on pole line 4x4
trip one time.Interact with most that post here.All good people,wish most where like this in the world.
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  | | As far as drug growers putting lock on gate. Not so first thing when Military does there rounds.If they see a lock,they cut it or drive over (take out
wire /posts) I do not cut locks off. Where I ride even on main routes.When we come across new locked gate to block access.Problem many of the new
locked routes,are not the property.Of the person locking route.The Mexicans that normally,travel these routes. Remove lock, gate So being that I know
the area. Also ride with ranchers,I will take them on said route. They have told me,person that put gate up.Has no right to do so,that's why gone.Not
saying all gates like this. Thing is the 3 marooons that post there worthless posts.Just like to bring up,the bad about anything. They do not post
anything constitutive. In the case of Mt66 His stupid brainless posts are not only limited to off road. Everywhere he posts,he is put down told off.
In the case of the Op in question.He had no option,as no fuel to got back. So the 3 marooons would like to make big news of this.So how did my first
post,of working with ranchers. Have anything to do with Cutting lock off,or saying the op is not a responsible person. It is only attempt ,of marooons
to change subject. I get it,so be where marooons you will be called out. |
Are you drunk? I don't know what else could explain your stream of conciousness rants and syntax.
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David K
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Agree with you on that Larry
Too bad all who post here don't have either the opportunity or desire to meet or even camp with other Nomads. At least when we have a face to face
talk it usually continues friendly or respectful. When we only see a handle or code name, no face to put a human element to the Nomad, then it is all
too easy to talk less than human.
I would enjoy very much if someone would continue the Viva Baja type events we had back 10-16 years ago. Meeting others who loved Baja was so much
fun.
The Pole Line Run of last year and Mission Santa Marķa run of 6 years ago was great fun, but only a dozen or so do those. I hope someone considers
hosting future get-togethers.
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bajatrailrider
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | As far as drug growers putting lock on gate. Not so first thing when Military does there rounds.If they see a lock,they cut it or drive over (take out
wire /posts) I do not cut locks off. Where I ride even on main routes.When we come across new locked gate to block access.Problem many of the new
locked routes,are not the property.Of the person locking route.The Mexicans that normally,travel these routes. Remove lock, gate So being that I know
the area. Also ride with ranchers,I will take them on said route. They have told me,person that put gate up.Has no right to do so,that's why gone.Not
saying all gates like this. Thing is the 3 marooons that post there worthless posts.Just like to bring up,the bad about anything. They do not post
anything constitutive. In the case of Mt66 His stupid brainless posts are not only limited to off road. Everywhere he posts,he is put down told off.
In the case of the Op in question.He had no option,as no fuel to got back. So the 3 marooons would like to make big news of this.So how did my first
post,of working with ranchers. Have anything to do with Cutting lock off,or saying the op is not a responsible person. It is only attempt ,of marooons
to change subject. I get it,so be where marooons you will be called out. |
Are you drunk? I don't know what else could explain your stream of conciousness rants and syntax. |
The village idiot from San Diego speaks again,anymore brain less posts.
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bajatrailrider
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Agree with you on that Larry
Too bad all who post here don't have either the opportunity or desire to meet or even camp with other Nomads. At least when we have a face to face
talk it usually continues friendly or respectful. When we only see a handle or code name, no face to put a human element to the Nomad, then it is all
too easy to talk less than human.
I would enjoy very much if someone would continue the Viva Baja type events we had back 10-16 years ago. Meeting others who loved Baja was so much
fun.
The Pole Line Run of last year and Mission Santa Marķa run of 6 years ago was great fun, but only a dozen or so do those. I hope someone considers
hosting future get-togethers. |
You have people like MT66 that says. I dont need to drive a truck,I pay
someone when I need things moved. Next time he is in Baja,gets stuck in his Yugo.Leave him there Meeting people face to face,like you fellow off
road guys/gals.Was A great experience from all walks of life.The whole group got along so well.Then when there was break downs all helped.When road
was washed away all went to work.
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TMW
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A friend sent me two GE images of the Ranch owner lady in question. Her ranch is above pin 4 and to the left of pin 5 in the image below.
Larry does this look right to you?
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bajatrailrider
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That be the place TMW. Do you see any dirt road or trail to far North of that rancho to get by it?
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bajatrailrider
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Next week if anybody interested,we will look for route outside of there fence line.I will have One rancho owner with me,to give go or no go on route
if its possible. First try on bikes can cover lots of ground.
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TMW
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Looking at the top map above with the pins. You could try going from
9-3-8-J or 1-2-7-8-J.
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bajatrailrider
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That sounds like a plan,do you have google earth close up.Little more NE. Thanks
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TMW
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I retraced several routes. The 07 Baja 1000 is in purple. I found trails going to Melings. The GE images are from 2/8/2014 so some trails may not be
passable or by horse only, maybe a MC.
Overall of the area.
Close up of the gate owners area.
Larry if you want a closer look at any specific area let me know.
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bajatrailrider
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8 to 7 to 2 looks good. Thanks TMW
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bajatrailrider
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We did our recon run on Friday two Motos. Long story short the old Baja 1000 does by pass the problem rancho.Its still a no go you get to another
locked gate.All routes and we check them all,locked gates. The only route we found is Moto only,but you still have to.Get to Observatory paved
road,for about 1 mile.Then cut back in to dirt South,you end just South (1 mile) Camalu.We did go cross country,dodging Cactus- big rocks- one canyon.
So what the 4x4s can do.Just dont make left turn to her Rancho. You end up on Observatory road just above Old Baja 500 route.4x4 could still then take
that route in to Camalu.
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mcnut
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I feel a need to keep this thread active so here is a quote from another forum including a portion of an email report directly from ejido
members and my plea following;
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"Here is email I received Its a long one so for now,just a first part. Its translated.
"Personal encounters by land owners, ranchers and residents in Baja reporting the following incidents with motosport participants: 1 recent,last
10 days as of 07/30/2016 aggressive and dangerous encounter to prevent contact between helicopter and rancher in pick up truck. Attempting to hail
down passing group of sport truck raptors,and jeep reportedly led by Cameron Steel. Report of cutting fences violating land owners. Closing of routes
and destroying private property."
The rest of email is just more detail and how they will shut us down in this riding area. I will post more later. I did in fact go up there (but not
to problems at the rancho) Looking for new route on North west side. On that side no route as old Baja route,any and all roads trails. Fenced and
locked gates,we spent all day up there. Problem rancho also owns all land up to new forest road. Also rancho Santa Cruz is ganging up with over
ranchos to lock us out. That owner is Big time upset with racing bikes/trucks/ATVs.and near head ons."
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While I'm sure there have been others, the incident cited would seem to be especially egregious and I don't blame the locals one bit for being very
upset. I strongly believe the group identified must make every effort to directly apologize to the ranchos and make restitution. He/they need to get
involved and help find a solution to the problem they helped create. Surely someone from this forum knows the organizer and could help by taking the
initiative and direct him to this and the ThumperTalk Baja thread so that he can know the impact of their actions. If he/they feel they have been
unfairly called out, they should explain why.
I also think that all the business that have a financial interest in motorized offroad tourism in Baja need to get organized and involved because all
stand to lose. This includes tour/rental outfits both 2 and 4 wheel, restaurants/bars and those providing overnight accommodations frequented by the
offroad groups.
And we as individuals need to do our part, do more than handing out stickers. We need to demonstrate a respect for and interest in the local
communities and if you are not prepared to do that then please stay home.
Bruce
[Edited on 8-13-2016 by mcnut]
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bezzell
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Cameron Steele crew.
gee, shockeeer
does that helicopter come equipped with bolt-cutters !? 
[Edited on 8-13-2016 by bezzell]
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mtgoat666
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It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the bunch.
Land owners should throw up gates.
Let the offroaders stay in glamis.
P.s. Cameron steele is a tour operator. He shoul be held to a higher standard, eh. I mean, really, he should know better than to chit in his own bed.
| Quote: Originally posted by mcnut | I feel a need to keep this thread active so here is a quote from another forum including a portion of an email report directly from ejido
members and my plea following;
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"Here is email I received Its a long one so for now,just a first part. Its translated.
"Personal encounters by land owners, ranchers and residents in Baja reporting the following incidents with motosport participants: 1 recent,last
10 days as of 07/30/2016 aggressive and dangerous encounter to prevent contact between helicopter and rancher in pick up truck. Attempting to hail
down passing group of sport truck raptors,and jeep reportedly led by Cameron Steel. Report of cutting fences violating land owners. Closing of routes
and destroying private property."
The rest of email is just more detail and how they will shut us down in this riding area. I will post more later. I did in fact go up there (but not
to problems at the rancho) Looking for new route on North west side. On that side no route as old Baja route,any and all roads trails. Fenced and
locked gates,we spent all day up there. Problem rancho also owns all land up to new forest road. Also rancho Santa Cruz is ganging up with over
ranchos to lock us out. That owner is Big time upset with racing bikes/trucks/ATVs.and near head ons."
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While I'm sure there have been others, the incident cited would seem to be especially egregious and I don't blame the locals one bit for being very
upset. I strongly believe the group identified must make every effort to directly apologize to the ranchos and make restitution. He/they need to get
involved and help find a solution to the problem they helped create. Surely someone from this forum knows the organizer and could help by taking the
initiative and direct him to this and the ThumperTalk Baja thread so that he can know the impact of their actions. If he/they feel they have been
unfairly called out, they should explain why.
I also think that all the business that have a financial interest in motorized offroad tourism in Baja need to get organized and involved because all
stand to lose. This includes tour/rental outfits both 2 and 4 wheel, restaurants/bars and those providing overnight accommodations frequented by the
offroad groups.
And we as individuals need to do our part, do more than handing out stickers. We need to demonstrate a respect for and interest in the local
communities and if you are not prepared to do that then please stay home.
Bruce
[Edited on 8-13-2016 by mcnut] |
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rts551
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Excellent report McNut. The land owners need to be heard and cutting locks/taking down fences is ruining it for everyone. I hope all those that
feel they have some "right" to roads through private property take note.
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chuckie
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What I said...
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BajaBreak
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| Quote: Originally posted by chuckie | | I have been riding and racing in Baja since 1956. First trip was on a 500 Norton single. Many of the activities and attitudes I see now will bring
about the end of Off Road access in Baja. More and more gates, angry people, less respect. The handwriting is on the wall. A lot of good folks will
never get to enjoy what some of us have. BUT, maybe it's time...... |
I was thinking about this post as I was looking for the latest one.
bajatrailrider, you seem to have the proper approach to keeping Baja riding alive and well. Unfortunately the legwork you do, and sharing of
information online, may open up new routes for others, who may be more interested in the gopro videos they can brag about, than who they may be
offending on their Baja runs.
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