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Pretty interesting that Jimmy says that "everyone" in the restaurant attacked him.
I guess the decision was unanimous !!  
I wonder what he did to pee them all off at once ?? 
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Albert Einstein: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Elinvest8 you look better in your avatar today, you looked nervous. |
Jajajajajaja. Rafael este caricatura era en honor del terremoto que paso en Baja California
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Well that video is the conclusive proof that James Russell Hicks exists and made the statement. No further proof of identity is needed by me. Now it
will be up to the Mexican judicial system to decide who is telling the truth and take appropriate action.
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ramuma53
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Elinvest8
That is the problem, since the judicial system is unable to find them inocent, they are just delaying the trial to see if it goes ayay, the same is
happening with the turtle stew, the 3K of cocaine and 8 criminal cases I have against them.
The only answer is that I know Olivia has a standing order for her arrest, but the funny thing is that nobody is arresting her.
finally that is the problem, not them but the judicial system that do not act even when the felon is proved guilty.
That is what we are trying to change
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Arrowhead
maybe you were not good at physics, but Albert Ainstain is being proven right even today after his death and his General and Special theory of
relativity keep predicting right things, that not even him thought were predictable or right.
Diver
So your comment mean you will join in the beating of a lonely 62 year old guy with pool sticks and machetes just because you didn´t like what he said,
where do you live, North Corea?
Why question the victim, question the attackers.
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In America and Canada, businesses have these signs- "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." Meaning... they do not HAVE to serve someone
if they do not want to. Is this the case in Mexico? Do businesses have the right to refuse service? Is it against the law to refuse to serve
someone?
It sounds like the restaurant owners exercised their right to refuse service to someone, the hotel employees.
American Mr Hicks didn't like what he saw as discrimination.
Mr. Hicks said..."I went back to ask them why, one thing led to another, they got rude, so I got rude..."
HOW did Mr. Hicks ask them "why"...did he say "Please tell me why you won't serve these nice workers from the hotel?" or did he say "WTF is wrong with
you people? I'm buying dinner and you kick out my friends?!?"
Seems like Mr. Hicks confirms the story told by the restaurant owner. What Mr Hicks didn't tell was if he had been drinking, and if so, how much had
he had to drink.
Thank you for sharing Mr. Hicks's side of the story. As always, I'm sure there is even more to the story.
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ramuma53
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Yes my friend, but not in a Mexican Federal Zone, that is public property and only allow Olivia to sell small stuff with no permanent constructions in
Federal zone, just try to forbid something to somebody in a Mexican beach in front of federal authorities to see what will happen to you.
In Federal zone everybody is free to enter and go by law you CAN NOT forbid anybody to enter or do anything and if he does something not allowed by
law, the police is there for that, just ask Elinvest8 for his opinion.
They did not exercise their right to deny service; they denied the other people right to stay in Federal Zone that is free for all.
So you also mean that if somebody ask you in a not very polite way, after you wrongfully kick out his friends, you have the right to attack him and
beat him to death? Just analyze what you are saying and try that in America.
I do not care how much he was drinking, he was in a public property place and nobody had the right to beat him to death, also I remember Jimmy said
that he only drank a few beer and was not drunk at all, he was annoyed because his friends were not served in a Federal Zone, that is Mexico´s
property and was attacked by a bunch of drug dealers, only criminals do that and the ones responsible are people like you, who condone it, but you
are right, let see more about the story.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
Diver
So your comment mean you will join in the beating of a lonely 62 year old guy with pool sticks and machetes just because you didn´t like what he said,
where do you live, North Corea?
Why question the victim, question the attackers. |
What an idiotic interpertation of my comments !!!
No, not many folks would start or finish a fight without a very, very good reason.
Especially retired gringos against another older gringo !
I wonder what was their very, very good reason ??
How many made this unanimous desicion ? 7, 8, 9 ? per Jimmy.
I don't know Ramuna, maybe you have experience walking into an establishment and getting beaten for no reason by a bunch of retired guys; I don't.
I can't think of a reason that I would consider such action except if someone insulted or put my family in danger.
What did Jimmy do ??? 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
Elinvest8
That is the problem, since the judicial system is unable to find them inocent, they are just delaying the trial to see if it goes ayay, the same is
happening with the turtle stew, the 3K of cocaine and 8 criminal cases I have against them.
The only answer is that I know Olivia has a standing order for her arrest, but the funny thing is that nobody is arresting her.
finally that is the problem, not them but the judicial system that do not act even when the felon is proved guilty.
That is what we are trying to change |
I state the following with this caveat: I am not accusing either side of any wrongdoing.
Rafael Therein lies the rub. If the Mexican judicial system will not properly do their job of prosecuting complaints brought to them, by either side
because of corruption or ineptitude then neither side will have justice. What a way to live. I must say it angers me beyond belief to think of the
possibility that when I go visit my Mama in El Rosario and someone kills me or tries to kill me that nothing will be done by the system. I do have
relatives there who would avenge me though but I would prefer they didn’t but they would because they love me. I only express my anger to the extent
of “What if it happens to me.” I guess self defense is all I have going for me but even that can go against a person if the other side is connected
and I’m not. It’s a damn Catch-22 situation.
If this alleged attempted murder of Jimmy an American Citizen is true and was perpetrated by other American Citizens and Mexican Citizens then I would
suggest that Jimmy report the incident to the FBI who with the assistance of the PGR will conduct an investigation into the matter. If they deem the
incident credible they will file with the U.S. Attorney’s Office for further evaluation and prosecution. An attempted extradition will be made of the
U.S. Citizens if prosecutions are deemed appropriate. Also consider taking a confirmatory polygraph to bolster your claim if it really happened. If it
did not happen don’t take the confirmatory polygraph because you will be in deep S H
(You know what goes here) T if you lie. The FBI can do confirmatory polygraphs but just remember lying to the FBI is a federal crime. Although
polygraphs are not admissible in court unless both sides agree to make it admissible it will at least show if someone is lying or not. I have used
confirmatory polygraphs as an investigative tool before and they work great.
Rafael as you say even old felons like Jimmy can be a victim.
Good luck to both sides and may the person with the truth behind them win.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
If this alleged attempted murder of Jimmy an American Citizen is true and was perpetrated by other American Citizens and Mexican Citizens then I would
suggest that Jimmy report the incident to the FBI who with the assistance of the PGR will conduct an investigation into the matter.
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Old felons like Jimmy can't report anything to the Mexican authorities when they are in the country illegally to begin with.
I like the polygraph idea !!!
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Diver
You are right, no one will let go his friends and then alone start a fight, and that is because he did not came back to fight, he came back to ask
why? to similarly looking old gringos.
I am only looking at the consequences of what you say and it means that: Then you will be very happy and just turn your back and go in to the night,
after your friends are insulted and kicked wrongfully out of Federal Zone, where it is their lawful right to be at any time, let them try that with me
even if they are 8 and with pool sticks.
He came back because he thought he was among old Americans who supposed to be like him, not dangerous but big mouthed only and he thought they will
join in defending some poor Mexicans, he did not start the fight when he had his friends there to help him and had the advantage, he came back ALONE
to reason and try to understand why, I do not think he imagined that every old gringo there, will join in beating him to death and that is because he
didn’t knew then, that all those gringos, were the drug partners of Oliva and Narc, they were from El Coyote and if you see where the Marines went
after they saw the drug unloading, it was to El Coyote, curiously where the only other launch ramp is in Bahia Concepcion.
I would understand one well placed slap by one other old gringo but not 8 joining in when a 62 year old is being beaten on the floor with machetes and
pool sticks by young guys, also the employee who said it was him alone who hit Jimmy, is a 30 years old guy and attacked him from the back without
giving him the smallest chance to defend himself and only as a reference, he is now working with the local mafia guy and his name is Amancio, who has
a 6 year jail sentence waiting to be served by him, but curiously and by mistake, the police has had for 2 years forgotten to tell him, he has to
serve it in jail not with the mafia chieftain.
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Sorry diver but even an illegal alien has rights and if you do not know, Americans have a free stay in Baja without papers, they only need them when
they will saty for a long period and I do not mean in the hospital because somebody beat you to death.
Where do you dive, North Corea Also?
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Elinvest8
I do not think a person may win or lose this, but it may happen that every American who live in Baja as a consequence, may live more secure if justice
start to put people who break the law behind bars.
Baja make a lot of money because of old gringos and the worst business for all Mexican businessmen is that people start beating to death old gringos
just because thei did not like what they had to say and I mean ex felons or not, we don´t know who has a record or not to be able to know who to beat
to death and who not to.
I don´t think they knew Jimmy was an ex felon when they beat him and left him for death, they just did it because they knew there would be no
consequences to their unlawful actions, but they will be wrong.
Also I had a very hard time convincing Jimmy not to get his revenge aginst Olivia and Narc, I am the one trying to make him do it the right way, even
if we are failing to date, but we still have a way to go.
Also, Jimmy went to the American Consulate in Tijuana to ask for advise and they told him to just go back to the USA, that most of the Baja Police is
crooked and he would not have justice anyway. What do you think that make us feel as Mexicans, and the most difficult part is to know they are right
till today, because we have tomorrow to be decided.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
if you do not know, Americans have a free stay in Baja without papers, they only need them when they will saty for a long period and I do not mean in
the hospital because somebody beat you to death.
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Nobody but nobody knows whar's going on down there. That includes you, ramuma. Your statement up there boggles the mind.
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Watch the video, read the story-
Each person is telling the story their way to show their side of it. That is to be expected. ramuma is making many statements as if they were fact
and he was an eye-wittness, but he wasn't even there!
Take each story for what it is, that person's personal testimony. Add the two together, and somewhere in the middle is the truth. Jimmy doesn't say
anything about having a knife or pepper spray from Mark.
YOUtube Jimmy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOrZrKSGwBo
| Quote: | Originally posted by OLIGUACOMOLE
This man then walked to the hotel and evidently made arrangements to stay there. This man was Jimmy(James Russell Hicks) of Florida. Evidently he
quickly made friends with the persons in the hotel. At the time Munoz offered free tequila out of a barrel. I think Jimmy took advantage of this
opportunity.
---I would like to say that I think the only reason free tequila was offered to persons was cause problems for the restaurant. Before the Hicks
incident a least two patrons of the Hotel were asked to leave the restaurant because they were so drunk from drinking the free tequila at the hotel.
Jimmy Hicks came over the first evening with an employee of the hotel sitting at a far away table in the restaurant. He approached the bar where 5
Americans are sitting. Mark is behind the bar. Jimmy is obviously very drunk. Being loud and obnoxious he says he wants to buy everyone a shot of
tequila. Everyone declined the offer!---Don't see this happen too much!-- I then asked him to please sit with me at the table with the young Mexican
man who was a worker in the hotel. I explained we did not want any problems with him bringing a worker from the hotel. The young mexican man was very
nervous. Jimmy kept asking for beer and more tequila which I denied more service. Finally after Olivia sat and talked with the Young Mexican man
explaining that since he worked in the hotel we would appreciate the distance and to please respect us due to the conflict with Munoz. JImmy and the
young man left. Fifteen to thirty minutes passes and James Russell Hicks shows at the bar. His shirt is now off and he is screaming at what a terrible
place this is. Again I am asking him to please leave. Jimmy insults the men and soon the women are off the bar stools in Jimmy's face! Jimmy then
reaches into his pocket and pulls a lock blade knife out of his pocket and opens it. At this time I go to the house and get some special seasoning
pepper spray. By the time I return Jimmy was yelling "give me back my knife"! What had happened was that Jimmy tried to stab one person in the chest.
The knife was knocked out of his hand with a stick called a cue. Hicks then tried to throw an employee through the window, which he was unsuccessful
with. He then was subdued. He might have hit his head on the floor. When I came in I told him to leave now or I would season him. He screamed he
wanted his knife back which was on the floor. I told him he could get it back from the police. He took a step towards me and he got seasoned. He did
leave then, walking back to the hotel. Olivia then calls the Mulege police and they say they will come manana. She pleads with them to come now but
they say they do not have gas. We clean up a bit but leave the knife where it lay. Later that night two state police show up and say Hicks was kind of
beat up and smelled like pepper. We showed them the knife which they picked up and put in a plastic bag we gave them. Told the state police the story
and we had five witnesses who were at the bar. We are asked to go to Mulege the next day with the witnesses. We agreed and showed at the Ministero
Publico the next day with all the witnesses. James Russell Hicks is there very drunk with Eddie from the hotel. James Russell Hicks was sitting in a
chair pretending he was shooting a rifle at us again and again in front of the authorities. I ask the police how can they allow him to testify in a
drunken state. They shrug their shoulders and tell me it is the DA's decision. She is going to allow. They finally did make him turn in the chair and
face the wall. Now we have had real problems with this one DA. She is there in person trying to get testimony that Mark and Olivia were the ones
causing harm. Nearly all the reports Munoz has made against us comes from this one DA. Maybe some of you know her. Overweight lady that travels with
her mother. Appears to drive a new truck every year. For some reason this DA does not like us. She asked one of our employees to just say that Olivia
and Mark were behind it. We all gave our testimony which is suppose to be free but were instructed to pay 100 dollars for each testimony because there
was paper work. Four testimonies costs us 400 dlls. I tried to ask questions about the charge for testimony, but everyone had the creeps and wanted to
just get out.
Jimmy Hicks stayed at the hotel for months. He shriveled up into this scrawny man apparently from drinking and other things. Finally after maybe six
months he was gone. Munoz and employees were saying Jimmy had died and we had killed him, but it appears he is very much alive living in Florida
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
Elinvest8
That is the problem, since the judicial system is unable to find them inocent, they are just delaying the trial to see if it goes ayay, the same is
happening with the turtle stew, the 3K of cocaine and 8 criminal cases I have against them.
The only answer is that I know Olivia has a standing order for her arrest, but the funny thing is that nobody is arresting her.
finally that is the problem, not them but the judicial system that do not act even when the felon is proved guilty.
That is what we are trying to change |
Could it possibly be that the courts know your harrasing them and making up a whole bunch of bogus charges and they don´t care anymore? could it also
be possible the judicial system knows you and your history and since you don´t have political clout down here, they are ignoring you?
Just a few things to ponder.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ramuma53
Elinvest8 you look better in your avatar today, you looked nervous.
Also and for all
The liar formerly known as JESSE put here the Jimmy´s previous record and for him that is just cause for Olivia and Narc to beat a 62 year old then
American nearly to death in her restaurant helped by 6 to 8 other Americans, using sticks and machetes, ok I will show you here the previous record of
Narc Jerome Burbey as thief reported to Inmigration office by the district attorney
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Again making up stories and saying things about others that are not true.
I NEVER SAID anything remotely similar to justifying the beating of Jimmy. All i said, is that Jimmy was a convicted Cocaine trafficker (wich you have
strangely ignored).
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You are right, the only difference is that I read the court declarations of each party and I know what Jimmy said the very first time he rendered
declarations, when he was still in shock and covered in blood and I always give credit to first declarations, they do not have yet the time or calm to
think lies and that is why I believe Jimmy, also he clearly say the same that the people who rescued him, all of them say they heard Olivia say to
Narc Kill him fast, but it was too late, their problem was that Jimmy was alive to accuse them, they thought he was dead when they threw him to the
water and only a criminal mind dispose of the body of evidence; the legal way would have been to call the police and leave him where he was, also the
knife they said Jimmy had, was found in the middle of the restaurant 2 days latter; the floor was completely cleaned but the knife was in the middle
and supposedly nobody had seen it before and that is what Olivia and Narc told to the police to try to justify beating him up.
Also you must know that Olivia and Narc have been convicted of lying to the police and judicial authorities and it happened because they told a story
first and then changed everything in writing.
[Edited on 8-6-2009 by ramuma53]
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Ramuma whats your problem?
It is obviously clear you switch your passions with ease as long as they have to do with hurting Marc and Olivia. I don't know about others, but i
find it troubling to say the least, that you started out as a friend of the turtles, and when that didn´t work, you switched to an ally of president
Calderon in his war against drugs. When that didn´t work, now your a defender of the ex con elderly community?
Do you actually think we are dumb enough not to see this? i mean, i know 99% of all americans living in Baja are not going to speak their minds out
and get into the middle of this peeing contest with two Mexicans. But do you honestly think that their silence equals stupidity? are you too blind to
see that they know, and your not fooling them.
Jeezzz!!!
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