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Barry A.
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Liberals-----------my only problem with Liberals is-----well----- they are so LIBERAL. It's in their DNA, I am convinced!!! Otherwise it all makes
no sense at all, as this thread has proved. It's a "venus and mars" situation.
We just all should live with it as it ain't going away, and that is excepted. But we conservatives can't just let it manifest itself without
challenge, and we all challenge in different ways. How boring if we didn't.
Viva la difference (or something like that)
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
Any discussion of drugs can include alcohol without fear of straying off the topic.
I forgot to include the link to my data:
"For most adults, moderate alcohol use is not harmful. However, nearly 17.6 million adults in the United States are alcoholics or have alcohol
problems. Alcoholism is a disease with four main features:
* Craving - a strong need to drink
* Loss of control - not being able to stop drinking once you've begun
* Physical dependence – withdrawal symptoms, such as nausea, sweating or shakiness after stopping drinking
* Tolerance - the need to drink greater amounts of alcohol in order to get “high”"
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Whew!!!! that's a relief!!! I don't meet any of those 4 criteria (except maybe #1 just before dinner?), and neither do any of my friends (I don't
think). But, I do enjoy a drink or two (sometimes 3 ??), always & only good Canadian Whiskey, in the evening, especially when it is a warm and
sweet evening like are now coming about. I gave up beer and wine many years ago---bad for the head. 
Life is good. 
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I've been guilty of #2 - not wanting to stop once I start.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512098,00.html
Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
By Dan Springer
SEATTLE — The Department of Homeland Security freed 27 illegal immigrants arrested during a workplace raid in February and offered them legal work
permits, signaling a major departure from the immigration enforcement policy of the Bush administration.
The Feb. 24 raid of an auto parts plant in Bellingham, Wash., netted 28 illegal immigrants. While one was deported, the remaining workers were
released from custody and given employment authorization documents, or EADs, in exchange for cooperating with an ongoing investigation of their
employer, Yamato Engine Specialists.
The EAD is a temporary work permit most commonly given to people applying for green cards or citizenship. It usually lasts for one year, but
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) sources tell FOX News that these work permits will expire when the case against Yamato is closed.
Immigrant rights activists support the move and the new direction Secretary Janet Napolitano is taking the Homeland Security Department with her focus
on penalizing employers rather than the immigrants themselves.
"She is crafting and the people in her department are crafting a strategy that could target some people who are abusive and manipulative as
employers," said Pramila Jayapal, executive director of the Seattle-based immigrant aid group OneAmerica.
But critics say the softened policy will increase the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.
"The signal that it sends to illegal immigrants is that if you can get here, you're pretty much home free," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the
Federation for American Immigration Reform.
The Bellingham raid was the first and only mass arrest of immigrants since President Obama took office and came as a shock to Napolitano, who ordered
a review of the incident the day after.
"I didn't know about it beforehand," she told the House Homeland Security Committee the morning following the raid. "I want to get to the bottom of
this as well."
The response from the Department of Homeland Security marks a major shift from the last years of the Bush administration, when workplace arrests of
illegals were commonplace.
Criminal arrests of employers who hired illegal immigrants skyrocketed from 25 in 2002 to 1,103 in 2008. The number of deportations jumped from 485 to
5,184 over that same time period. The Obama administration has sought a freeze on immigrant arrests.
Enforcement advocates say Americans should be outraged by the government giving illegal immigrants a right to work when unemployment is so high for
documented workers.
Unemployment in Whatcom County, home to the Yamato plant, has risen to 8.1 percent, and in the days after the Yamato raid, more than 150 people
applied for the jobs made open by the arrests.
Immigrant groups say the release was a humane act that is keeping families together and allowing them to earn a decent living.
Secretary Napolitano is expected to soon formally announce new guidelines for workplace immigration enforcement.
An I.C.E source in Washington D.C. disputes the claim that this marks a new policy telling FOX News the work permits are issued as an investigative
tool to get cooperation from the illegal immigrants.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,512098,00.html
Homeland Security Frees 27 Illegal Immigrants, Sends Them Back to Work
By Dan Springer
SEATTLE — The Department of Homeland Security freed 27 illegal immigrants arrested during a workplace raid in February and offered them legal work
permits, signaling a major departure from the immigration enforcement policy of the Bush administration.
The Feb. 24 raid of an auto parts plant in Bellingham, Wash., netted 28 illegal immigrants. While one was deported, the remaining workers were
released from custody and given employment authorization documents, or EADs, in exchange for cooperating with an ongoing investigation of their
employer, Yamato Engine Specialists.
The EAD is a temporary work permit most commonly given to people applying for green cards or citizenship. It usually lasts for one year, but
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) sources tell FOX News that these work permits will expire when the case against Yamato is closed.
Immigrant rights activists support the move and the new direction Secretary Janet Napolitano is taking the Homeland Security Department with her focus
on penalizing employers rather than the immigrants themselves.
"She is crafting and the people in her department are crafting a strategy that could target some people who are abusive and manipulative as
employers," said Pramila Jayapal, executive director of the Seattle-based immigrant aid group OneAmerica.
But critics say the softened policy will increase the number of illegal immigrants entering the country.
"The signal that it sends to illegal immigrants is that if you can get here, you're pretty much home free," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman for the
Federation for American Immigration Reform.
The Bellingham raid was the first and only mass arrest of immigrants since President Obama took office and came as a shock to Napolitano, who ordered
a review of the incident the day after.
"I didn't know about it beforehand," she told the House Homeland Security Committee the morning following the raid. "I want to get to the bottom of
this as well."
The response from the Department of Homeland Security marks a major shift from the last years of the Bush administration, when workplace arrests of
illegals were commonplace.
Criminal arrests of employers who hired illegal immigrants skyrocketed from 25 in 2002 to 1,103 in 2008. The number of deportations jumped from 485 to
5,184 over that same time period. The Obama administration has sought a freeze on immigrant arrests.
Enforcement advocates say Americans should be outraged by the government giving illegal immigrants a right to work when unemployment is so high for
documented workers.
Unemployment in Whatcom County, home to the Yamato plant, has risen to 8.1 percent, and in the days after the Yamato raid, more than 150 people
applied for the jobs made open by the arrests.
Immigrant groups say the release was a humane act that is keeping families together and allowing them to earn a decent living.
Secretary Napolitano is expected to soon formally announce new guidelines for workplace immigration enforcement.
An I.C.E source in Washington D.C. disputes the claim that this marks a new policy telling FOX News the work permits are issued as an investigative
tool to get cooperation from the illegal immigrants.
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This is really a right step in a good direction.
I am happy to hear this news thanks kid-
[Edited on 5-24-2010 by Mexicorn]
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Good News
I AGREE that it is GOOD News.
Given current interest and continued positive polling, EVERY News Item which can be exploited to engage and inflame public opinion leading into
November is welcome.
The greatest danger is that public interest will wane. Stoking the fires and keeping people angry and involved is vital. Contribute to those groups
who are working to keep this issue at the forefront. I am.
I am also looking forward to seeing a multitude of 30-second spots using the appropriate news footage to maintain that involvement.
YES WE CAN BRING ABOUT HOPE AND CHANGE in the coming election.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexicorn
This is really a right step in a good direction.
I am happy to hear this news thanks kid-
[Edited on 5-24-2010 by Mexicorn] |
The point should be made, that this article states that illegals who were arrested where then given legal green cards in order to catch more illegals
and their employers, which is the same logic used by National Security whereby they allow and assist in terrorism in order to catch more terrorists,
which is why the National Security Head Blair had to resign, apparently, because they were caught redhanded creating the underwear bomber.
The silliness of this is apparent and certainly one can conclude the only real goal is as Bill states to inflame and cause confusion to further the
police state goals, not to protect our security or freedom.
[Edited on 5-24-2010 by gnukid]
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Feeding the GOOD Flame
Speaking of which, have you seen the Mexican Newspaper ad showing the Camo-covered Trooper with his Binoculars ? The caption is "In Sonora, WE are
watching for people from Arizona".
THIS is Exactly what we need and it's getting decent coverage.
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
I LOVE it.
BTW, Serpent-Head Alan Colmes earlier defending the Fed statement that they "might" not honor the referrals from AZ, said it made sense because "We
don't know if those Illegals were Legally Caught".
Yeah, that line's going to work.
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hahahahahaha
Alan Combs is such a total twit.
good one Bill.
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Another View of the Effects
Here's a story about a family that is affected by the spirit of the AZ law. It certainly points to the need for immigration reform. Mom is a US
citizen, as is the daughter. Another daughter on the way. Dad is illegal, having entered the country some eleven years ago. He holds a steady jjob,
and they own their own home.
Deeper Into The Shadows
By Paloma Esquivel, Los Angeles Times
May 24, 2010
Reporting from Phoenix —
The day Arizona's governor signed the strictest immigration law in the country — tasking police with checking the immigration status of those they
stop and suspect to be in the country illegally — Maria thought it might be the last straw for her family.
For six years Maria, a U.S. citizen, and her husband, Salvador, who is in the country illegally, have tried to make sure he isn't caught up in a raid
or sweep or traffic enforcement operation. To avoid his deportation, the couple takes precautions that, when synthesized, go something like this:
Avoid driving at night. Avoid unnecessary trips — grocery shopping once a week is best.
Stay home. Stay and care for the garden. Enjoy the blueberry bushes and the apricot trees, and mow the lawn. Keep it nice. Try to deflect, as much as
possible, their 4-year-old daughter's questions about going to Disneyland.
As a citizen, Maria, 24, doesn't worry about being stopped when she's alone or with her daughter Carina. But her concern for Salvador, 29, has grown
over the years, especially after Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio began using his department to enforce federal immigration laws. When the program
was essentially adopted on a statewide level, one of Maria's aunts considered canceling her daughter's 8th birthday party to avoid attracting
attention.
Other friends and relatives — often mixed families of citizens and illegal immigrants — decided to put off repairs to their homes to save money in
case a family member got deported. Like many of them, Maria wondered: Is it time to leave Arizona?
Dreams vs. realities
Maria and Salvador met as teenagers. In the evenings Maria played basketball at the middle school where Salvador took English classes. (They asked
that their full names not be used because of his status.) She never thought to ask about his legal situation when they started dating, and by the time
she learned he'd crossed the border illegally when he was 17, they'd already made plans for a life together.
Maria, who came to the U.S. legally when she was 6, became a citizen at 18, thinking Salvador would easily obtain legal status once they were married.
They wed that same year at a Phoenix courthouse, but set a date for a wedding a year later at El Santuario del Señor de La Piedad, a centuries-old
Catholic church that towers over the couple's shared hometown in La Piedad, in the Mexican state of Michoacan.
But they never made it.
Soon after they were married, they met with an immigration attorney who told them Salvador would have to return to Mexico to apply for residency. If
he did, the attorney said, it was possible he'd be barred from the U.S. for 10 years.
They decided they couldn't risk such a separation. Two years later, Carina was born. The two of them, newborn in tow, realized Salvador's legal status
was probably not going to change, and they went about putting down roots.
Maria settled into her job as a teacher's assistant in a class for severely autistic preschoolers. Salvador worked maintenance at a golf course, and
he got out early enough to pick up his daughter from day care. In January, they had a church wedding at Most Holy Trinity Catholic Parish in north
Phoenix. Carina carried her mother's train.
In the meantime, Arizona began taking steps to make it an inhospitable state for those who came to the country illegally: the county sheriff
dispatched his deputies to search for illegal immigrants, a law was passed to bar such immigrants from receiving government services and the state
sought to shut down businesses that hired illegal workers.
Maria and Salvador learned to live, somewhat, with the worry.
When Salvador leaves for work in the morning, Maria gives him a clean set of clothes to change into for the drive home so he won't look like a
laborer. When he has a weekend shift and can't travel with his usual carpool, Maria wakes up before he leaves at 4:30 a.m., and together they pray
that he comes back.
The rules for driving are clear: Check the truck — make sure the signals and lights work. A friend was once pulled over by deputies for having a
broken light on his license plate. He was deported shortly after.
Drive carefully: use turn signals, make complete stops. Don't put unnecessary adornments on the truck. Never exceed the speed limit.
In August, they bought their first home, a three-bedroom bank-owned fixer-upper. They spent much of their time mending it and caring for the huge
yard, with its fruit trees and flowers. When Salvador's father died this year, Salvador couldn't attend the funeral. So they planted an apricot tree
in his honor.
Maria became involved in a church group that advocates for a variety of causes, such as education and immigrant rights. The information she gets at
immigrant rights sessions with the Valley Interfaith Project, she says, helps her when she is overwhelmed by anxiety.
Three months ago, Maria and Salvador learned she was pregnant. They are expecting a sister for Carina in July.
Along comes SB 1070
It was just after 1:30 on April 23, and Maria was at work when she got a text message from her mother: Gov. Jan Brewer had signed SB 1070 into law.
She ran through scenarios in her mind: We'll move to California, she thought. We'll rent our house and get an apartment. My family in California can
help Salvador get a job.
At home, she called an uncle, who lives in Armona, a tiny Central Valley town in Kings County. He'd heard the news, he said, and was prepared for her
and her family to stay at his home until they were settled.
When Salvador came home, Maria told him of her plans. His response was clear and unhesitant. He has a good job here, he said. Who knows if he could
get one in California? What if they were stopped by sheriff's deputies on the way out of town? What if he were put in a detention facility far from
home?
After a few days, Maria decided she agreed with her husband. Leaving would be like running away from her home, she said, and she doesn't want to do
that.
They've decided to stay in Arizona and wait it out, taking precautions as always.
The aunt who was planning her daughter's birthday party canceled it. And though Maria knows the law isn't scheduled to go into effect until late July,
she still finds herself switching to English when she and her husband walk past police officers. Salvador's English is limited, so he just nods as she
speaks.
Mostly, they stay home more now, Maria says. And when the worry becomes overwhelming, she goes out to the garden and trims the hedges.
paloma.esquivel@latimes.com
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this is what i have to go through to LEGALLY leave and re enter MY OWN COUNTRY each time by private plane - and i adhere.
i have NO patience for illegals and others who do not follow the laws.
from BBP today:
" One of our members was contacted by the CBP about five months after a short trip to Mexico. The member was told that he was subject to a US$10,000
fine as their reports only show a return eAPIS on file. They had no record of an outbound eAPIS (from the US). The good thing is that the member did
file his eAPIS outbound and inbound and the better news is that he had copies of both. He responded to the CBP’s letter by providing copies of both
eAPIS and the matter was dropped.
The lesson is that it is critical that you print out your eAPIS request and, when you get back home, file it away with the other paper work you save
for each trip. Along with the eAPIS, information saved should include Mexican flight plans, fuel receipts, landing fee / parking fees, etc. "
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When name calling fails to silence their critics liberals roll out the good old " sob story". Always the same game, name calling, sympathy bids. 'Bout
time to toss out some disproportional comparisons.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by capt. mike
this is what i have to go through to LEGALLY leave and re enter MY OWN COUNTRY each time by private plane - and i adhere.
i have NO patience for illegals and others who do not follow the laws.
from BBP today:
blah, blah, b;ah
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Come on....you know you have always wanted to...
info at screamingairlines dot com
http://www.cafepress.com/n7369p
Come ply the friendly Baja skies with us!
30 years of safe adventure travel logged - no whiners, no sniveling and no fooling!
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signature says "...no whiners, no sniveling..." but you posts about planes across the border sound like whining and sniveling
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"you (sic) signature says "...no whiners, no sniveling..." but you (sic) posts about planes across the border sound like whining and sniveling"
not at all. I didn't complain about a thing - i simply stated that there is protocol that i must follow, which i do.
the further point being i have to do it so others should as well - others being the illegals who sneak into our soverign nation sans papers or
applications for them.
is this all you have??
i should amend the tag to state no goats...
to be fair - no dogs either although i get asked all the time if "we may bring Fluffy?" answer always hell no, no pets.
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Tears for Maria
And Salvador.
Tugs at the heart.
Or not.
But, in any case, it's the same thing I challenged a spokesman (and author) for the "Open" Immigration argument back in 1995 while attending a seminar
on the subject at Claremont College.
The two featured opposing protagonists had both written current books on the subject. One promoting unfettered immigration, the other actually
calling for a moratorium on ALL immigration. The two books were startling in their opposite formats. The "immigration is good" guy had put together
a bunch of "Salvador and Maria" type anecdotes. No stats. Just Heart-warming studies of those who achieved success despite the perils of illegal
existence.
Typically, when I challenged him that I was sure I could come up with a negative anecdote for each positive one he noted and that the ONLY basis for
making a decision should be one based on actual numbers, he responded with a programmed blurb on "Heart, Compassion, blah, blah" without addressing
the question.
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Nice to know what a big heart you have. I'm guessing that there are probably tens of thousands of families in the same fix. recall, if you will that
Salvador crossed at age 17; a minor; a kid. He managed to make a life here.
What really burns me is that those advocating a zero tolerance program on immigration constantly carp on the idea that the immigrants are a financial
drain on social services, while not paying taxes. As I said, we have uncounted numbers of mixed families who are paying taxes and are not on welfare.
In Salvador's case( he was 17 when he crossed), even the US Supreme court has recently drawn a distinction between adults and minors as respects
punishment. How can you coldly suggest that someone with a job, owning a home(paying property tax) and to soon have a second child should be subjected
to exile for up to ten years?
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What it all boils down to is that we don't want workers that accept lower wages to drop our overall pay-scale to down towards Mexico's level. We don't
want more vocations to become jobs "that only Mexicans will do."
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Was just up in the States this weekend.. and the United States Census takes had been by the house a number of times and wanted to interview me and the
wife..
He came by on SUNDAY...
He wanted to know:
1 How many people lived in our house
2 Did I still work
He told me, that in most cases, there are multiple families living in one home... but, will not admit the true facts of the situation .... so all
information that he is collecting is really not very good....
Good luck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wessongroup
Was just up in the States this weekend.. and the United States Census takes had been by the house a number of times and wanted to interview me and the
wife..
He came by on SUNDAY...
He wanted to know:
1 How many people lived in our house
2 Did I still work
He told me, that in most cases, there are multiple families living in one home... but, will not admit the true facts of the situation .... so all
information that he is collecting is really not very good....
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The questionaire even asks, "Does your house have a mortgage?" I really think that is overstepping into our privacy.
When I arrived back at my California home two weeks ago and collected my mail, the Census form was there. I filled it out and sent it in. Then later
in the week a Census Taker came to the door. She was sent and insisted on filling one out for me. I told her that I had already mailed it in and that
she must put duplicate clearly, at the top of the form.
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Regarding the census form. Only answered the question, "number of people in the household?". Expect the govt. already has the information requested
on the rest of the questions.
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Answering Up
I left off the telephone number and included an explanation. Since the stated purpose of the Tel No. was for "Any answers they didn't understand", I
explained that only an Idiot wouldn't understand my answers and I had no time to deal with Mental Defectives. I also told them that should they need
to make a visit, they could ignore the fence signs which said "Believe in Life after Death ? Knock here and find out" since they'd "probably" be OK.
Which is sort of a light-hearted joke since I don't usually put up the signs more than once-in-awhile as the mood strikes me. Usually on a Saturday
when the Jehovahs are circulating. Doesn't stop them though so it's kind of pointless. Ticks my wife off.
Whether or not, they will show up (or have shown up), quien sabe ?
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