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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
Anyway to resize those photos to make larger? |
Put your mouse on it, hold down the Ctrl key and roll the scroll.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
Right decal looks like a Hendrix sticker. |
I think the left one is some type of Native American sticker, isn't it?.
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Righto I get the spare tire, but is it mounted or is the picture taken looking up at the spare where it is stored under the vehicle? I can't quite
tell
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bajaguy
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It's mounted
| Quote: | Originally posted by azucena
Righto I get the spare tire, but is it mounted or is the picture taken looking up at the spare where it is stored under the vehicle? I can't quite
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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by TW
| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
Another thing I forgot to mention was that the vehicle had 3/4 of a tank of gas when discovered. |
That tells me he probably filled up in El Rosario. If he got gas at Catavina the gas people should have ID'd him from the posters.
Also as to why he would pull off there. I do it all the time when I camp along a road. I find a seldom used trail and pull off away from the main road
so as not to be seen. I figure Gary did it and got stuck and probably when for help. |
More ideas----most surfers camp on the beach, unless he was an explorer nut like me. Also, were there any signs that he had set up camp? If he was a
seasoned explorer he would have set up camp and tried harder to dig out (using brush, etc.) perhaps. The three times I've had major problems we just
camped until we fixed it. If he wasn't a seasoned explorer I wonder why he's taking these little side roads and not going to the beach.....eh, who
knows...
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lizard lips
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No indication that he had camped at this site where the car was found.
The stickers in the recent photos were there when he went south and left California.
The last photo seen on the camera was not dated and "stamped" on the photo however was seen on Date Image Taken by his son at Catavina P.D.
The flat tire is inside the 4 Runner and not mounted underneath. I can't remember right now if it was posted that the vehicle was found by the rancher
with a flat however he didn't mention it. Must follow up with this.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
If he wasn't a seasoned explorer I wonder why he's taking these little side roads and not going to the beach.....eh, who knows...
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Sometimes we have to learn the hard way, I suppose.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
Mileage information just learned from family:
CAR SERVICED IN CALIFORNIA ON 08/28/2013-MILES: 158,756
MILEAGE TAKEN AT THE CATAVINA IMPOUND YARD: 159,489
TOTAL MILES AFTER SERVICE: 733
MILES TO SAN QUINTIN FROM WESTMINISTER CALIFORNIA: 445
288 MILES UNACCOUNTED FOR
Gary also drove the vehicle in California for 6 days prior to his trip. |
Interesting. The vehicle drove only 288 miles since the september border crossing.
Rancher says it only showed up a few weeks ago.
Either (a) it virtually drove to this stop from the border and has been sitting here for 6 months. Or (b) The car has been out of commission for all
that time and driven/towed to this spot several weeks ago (foul play).
Option (a) is much more likely.
Why? Because the 'set up' is just to elaborate. Why would anyone go to that much trouble to create clues to throw you off. The bandits would never get
caught either way. Nothing was stolen. I don't see a great motive for the bandits to recreate such a scene.
P.S. Correction. Westminister to Catavina is 557 miles on a straight line. That leaves only 176 miles. 30 miles from Catavina to car location. That's
146 miles for 6 days of traveling in the US followed by baja travel. I don't think he even reached the Pacific Coast from Catavina. Sadly, it looks as
though Gary had already passed away by the time that the Patton family had started the search.
[Edited on 4-7-2014 by Skipjack Joe]
[Edited on 4-7-2014 by Skipjack Joe]
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
No indication that he had camped at this site where the car was found.
The stickers in the recent photos were there when he went south and left California.
The last photo seen on the camera was not dated and "stamped" on the photo however was seen on Date Image Taken by his son at Catavina P.D.
The flat tire is inside the 4 Runner and not mounted underneath. I can't remember right now if it was posted that the vehicle was found by the rancher
with a flat however he didn't mention it. Must follow up with this. |
The EXIF data embedded in the camera
files will give the date and time when the photos were taken.
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latina
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I can't remember if it was stated or not, but did the police go to the fish camps and beach at the end of the road and talk to the people there to see
if they remembered Gary? Maybe he had made it to the beach, camped for a while and was on his way back to the highway when he got stuck...
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latina
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Also if the spare tire was on the truck when they found it, he must have got a flat between the highway and where the truck was found or the beach and
where the truck was found, otherwise he would have had his tire repaired in Catavina before embarking on a long journey on a rough road with a spare
tire...
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lizard lips
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No Latina, I have no information on that but I'm certain it will be checked out in the next month. I cant remember if Brian went there or not. He hit
a lot of places we didn't. I will have to visit his log again.
With what is now known about the milage it appears that Garys vehicle never made it to BOLA or anywhere south of Catavina.
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lizard lips
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There are so may ways to go here Soul and all are credible, possible and welcome to share. Because there wasn't that many miles on the 4 Runner and if
the rancher is correct with his opinion about the car only being there for a short while then maybe Gary was camping on the beach close by and was
heading back. Why he would go off road is beyond me especially not having a 4x4.
It has been a very productive day so far and I want to Thank You all for your input. Next is getting the camera and inspecting the 4 Runner. Also of
course we MUST go to the beach and contact others in the area for their observations.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Maybe the guy just got stuck, walk away and stroked out.... he could have had some kind of CVA(cerebular vascular accident) |
Ohhhh Nooooooo........another complete topic for speculation....the medical cause.
Could be good for hundreds of additional pages of "maybes." 
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lizard lips
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My mileage was incorrect in my "Mileage" post. It was figured 455 miles from Westminister to Catavina not as I posted, 455 from Westminister to San
Quintin.
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BornFisher
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
No Latina, I have no information on that but I'm certain it will be checked out in the next month. I cant remember if Brian went there or not. He hit
a lot of places we didn't. I will have to visit his log again.
With what is now known about the milage it appears that Garys vehicle never made it to BOLA or anywhere south of Catavina. |
Brian did not make it out to the beach. When he went south through that area, he visited Nomads and hung flyers. He was driving a rental car, not much
clearance but he did get off the main road and did some dirt roads. Brian loved to take pics. and would hang the camera out the window to get
everything. Gary no doubt took lots of pics too.
Bad news about the mileage though. Not much wiggle room there.
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Natalie Ann
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My quote box function is not working, so you will need to go to the first post on this thread. Blanca, reporting for the family and describing Gary,
posts that another cause for concern was that Gary had recently begun to drink a little and that alcohol in combination with his meds did not work
well for him. She points out that we do not know if he continued to drink.
But if he did, that might account for impaired judgement.
Nena
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Assuming a digital camera, as mono noted, even if the pics aren't time-stamped on the image, each file will still have a time/date associated with it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
Assuming a digital camera, as mono noted, even if the pics aren't time-stamped on the image, each file will still have a time/date associated with it.
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Some also have gps data!!
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JZ
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I spent two hours reading the entire thread last weekend.
A couple take a ways for me:
1. I feel really, really sad for the family. I'm so sorry for your loss.
2. The family acted with complete class through this whole ordeal. Even in the face of a lot of bs.
3. Baja is a rugged place. We all need to have backups and plan B's and C's.
4. A half dozen nomads stepped up and were just incredibly awesome. I've taken note of you guys. Good guys.
5. Several Baja Nomads should feel really embarrassed. I am personally sickened at your behaviors in this thread. Dennis is the number one person
and Bubba is a close second. You should take a deep inward look.
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