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dtbushpilot
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A friend of mine works for Honeywell on this project. They are marketing them to the homeland security folks as well as the military. It occurred to
me that this would be a great addition to my fishing boat, could save a lot of running around looking for fish....dt
http://www.missionready.com/thawkmav/
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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Mexicorn
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE ARE FINALLY DONE WITH THIS THREAD?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
EL MEXICORN
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MrBillM
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How ODD the Criticism ?
ODD seems to think the ODD criticism of the Hadji Hussein Pandering is unjustified.
OK, let's hear some critical POSITIVE support for this latest decision. So far, although tempered because he's their Boy, the Liberals are grumbling
that it's nothing more than an attempt to placate popular opinion. There's really nothing else that can be said. It is 20 percent of the same thing
that Bush did which the Chicago Kid and his cronies derided.
But, we'll be waiting to hear from the ODD one why it's a good idea.
Anytime.
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Bajahowodd
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An Apparent Difference of Opinion
From LA Times 5/27
Justice Department poised to challenge Arizona immigration law
Nine police chiefs meet with Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. to tell him the measure would hinder local law enforcement and ask that the Obama
administration block it.
By Richard A. Serrano and Kate Linthicum, Tribune Washington Bureau and Los Angeles Times
May 26, 2010 | 5:44 p.m.
Reporting from Washington and Los Angeles
Top Justice Department officials have drafted a legal challenge asserting that Arizona's controversial immigration law is unconstitutional because it
impinges on the federal government's authority to police the nation's borders, sources said Wednesday.
At the same time, the government officials said, the department's civil rights section is considering possible legal action against the law on the
basis that it amounts to racial profiling of Latinos who are legally in Arizona but conceivably could be asked to provide documents proving their
citizenship.
U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. met Wednesday with nine top police chiefs who object to the Arizona legislation and promised them he would act on
the recommendations soon, a spokesman said.
The police chiefs urged Holder and the Obama administration, which has grave reservations about the Arizona measure, to stop the law. The chiefs said
it would seriously hamper local police work if officers had to serve as border patrol policemen.
FOR THE RECORD:
An earlier version of this report said that Jack Harris, Phoenix police chief, attended the meeting. He was not able to attend.
"He did say that the Justice Department is seriously considering what they would do and that could come very soon," said Chuck Wexler, the director of
the Police Executive Research Forum, a think tank that helped bring the police chiefs together with Holder.
Echoing concerns from Obama and Holder, the chiefs told the attorney general during the closed-door meeting that the problem with the Arizona law is
that it will break down trust between victims and witnesses of crimes and the police officers in their communities.
One of the attendees was Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck, who said afterward that he told Holder that "legislation like this inhibits us from
doing our jobs" and would deter immigrants from reporting crimes, either as victims or witnesses.
"The fear of the police already inhibits immigrants from coming forward to a certain extent," Beck said. "But if you add this, you increase the
reluctance tenfold.
"People should remember that undocumented immigrants are witnesses in all kinds of crime, and this does not just affect them. If people don't come
forward to help the police solve and protect against crime, no matter what their status, then we are doomed to failure. It threatens to destroy a lot
of the work that has been done."
Beck added that his officers are guided by a different set of rules than those laid out in the Arizona law. For more than three decades, he said, the
agency has followed a policy that prohibits officers from initiating contact with someone solely to determine whether he or she is in the country
legally.
But an additional dozen or more states are considering passing legislation mirroring the Arizona law, which is to go into effect in July. That
groundswell of support for the Arizona law is part of what is pushing Holder and the White House to act swiftly if they decide they want to strike
down the measure in Arizona.
The new Arizona law requires police to determine the immigration status of anyone they stop and suspect is in the country illegally. It also makes it
a state crime to lack proper immigration papers in Arizona.
Matthew Miller, the Department of Justice's chief spokesman, acknowledged that Holder had told the police chiefs that a decision on federal action
would come quickly.
But Miller also cautioned that "the review is still on."
"There's really not been any decisions yet," he said. "We're still working on it, and it's still being discussed internally."
He declined to discuss what legal strategy the department would pursue. Nevertheless, Miller said that the meeting with the police chiefs was very
helpful.
"The attorney general thought the police chiefs raised important concerns about the impact the Arizona law will have on the ability of law enforcement
to keep communities safe," he said.
Two of the chiefs meeting with Holder are from Arizona: Roberto Villasenor of Tucson and John W. Harris of Sahuarita, who also serves as president of
the Arizona Assn. of Chiefs of Police.
"The attorney general asked us very specific, good questions about our experiences — all the things we've heard — to get a good reading on the
ground," Wexler said. "Beyond that he did not give us any indication of what the Justice Department is going to do.
"We were not trying to influence the attorney general as much as to have a conversation with him about our concerns and also get the [Obama
administration] focused on the need for national legislation."
"The U.S. attorney general listened to us — we had a great conversation — but he was not committal," the Los Angeles chief said. "His task is to
announce his plans to the American people, not necessarily to this group. I think that we influenced him, but we will see."
Despite the opposition to the law from Obama and Holder, many Americans support it; some polls indicate that as many as 70% are in favor of giving
local police the authority to check on someone's legal status in the United States.
Likewise, not all top U.S. police officials are against the law. Even in Arizona, some wholeheartedly support it. They include Maricopa County Sheriff
Joe Arpaio in the Phoenix area, who has long railed against the influx of illegal immigrants there, and Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, head of the
Arizona Sheriff's Assn.
richard.serrano@latimes.com
kate.linthicum@latimes.com
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MrBillM
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Lotsa Words in that Copy and Paste, BUT ..........
None of it addressing the merits of the Magic 1200.
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So, they're worried that illegal immigrants will be so scared of being caught for breaking the law that they will hesitate to supply witness against
somebody else who is also breaking the law?
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MrBillM
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Sure, That's the Argument
Or, at least, one. For the Moment.
Until it changes.
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Why would any Nomad familar with the society in Mexico think that illegals in the USA would come forward to the police in AZ? They don't in their own
country for God's sake.
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Bajahowodd
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I think there are two factors. In reality, in areas with heavy concentrations of illegals, such as Los Angeles, there really has been little fear of
cooperating with local law enforcement inasmuch as there has been a long-standing operational directive advising officers to literally avoid the
documentation issue. This is well known in the community. Second, there are literally tens of thousands of mixed families in the US. By mixed, I mean
that one or more in the family has legal status, or may be a citizen, while others may not be. So, the AZ law would have a chilling effect on those
who may be legal, but will fail to report a crime or cooperate in an investigation in fear that the authorities may uncover the illegal status of
others in the household.
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If you're a harboring criminals it's not wise to report criminal activity. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
None of it addressing the merits of the Magic 1200. |
thanks I like it short and sweet ..... and on target too
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MrBillM
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Illegal Cooperation ?
SO, are we to use the "amazing" success that Los Angeles has seen in combating crime in Hispanic areas as evidence that THEIR methodology is a better
answer ?
I've heard it has become SO SAFE in those areas of Los Angeles that you're more likely to be Mugged, Raped, Robbed or Killed in Brentwood.
Well, actually, I made that up.
BUT, I'm sure that L.A. is a REALLY Safe Place.
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Bajahowodd
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And so? I don't recall that the topic of this thread was about the 1200. It has rambled all over the place. So, all Mr. Bile has done is make a
dismissive comment without weighing in on the article I posted.
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MrBillM
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Weighing in on the Paste Job ?
So that HowOdd may feel validated by my acknowledgment of his Copy-Paste, I'll Weigh Way In with a concise comment.
So What ?
It doesn't cover any new ground.
Feel better now ?
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
SO, are we to use the "amazing" success that Los Angeles has seen in combating crime in Hispanic areas as evidence that THEIR methodology is a better
answer ?
I've heard it has become SO SAFE in those areas of Los Angeles that you're more likely to be Mugged, Raped, Robbed or Killed in Brentwood.
Well, actually, I made that up.
BUT, I'm sure that L.A. is a REALLY Safe Place. |
Sure is, just a few years back some guy and his family made a wrong turn off the freeway and he ended up being killed by a group of "southsiders"..
who's territory this poor fool wandered into... a one way street.... his small child was killed as was he.. his wife and other child escaped...
I have a few I could add in, but think the point is well made... that there are so places every bit as dangerous as any in Mexico... if you don't
think so, drive your white ass into these areas about 8-9 pm... and see what happens.. if nothing while driving, get out a take a WALK!!!
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Bajahowodd
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What's Your Problem?
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
So that HowOdd may feel validated by my acknowledgment of his Copy-Paste, I'll Weigh Way In with a concise comment.
So What ?
It doesn't cover any new ground.
Feel better now ? |
With the "paste job"? Don't know how how to do it?
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Cypress
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wessongroup, A sad story.
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MrBillM
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How ODD does It ?
MY only objection to "Long-Winded" Copy and Paste jobs is that they're just another example of laziness.
Lazy minds do it rather than spend the time using their own words, "quotes" and summaries in a more concise presentation.
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Gov. Brewer: most illegal immigrants are 'drug mules'
The woman is nuts:
"Well, we all know that the majority of the people that are coming to Arizona and trespassing are now becoming drug mules," Brewer said. "They're
coming across our borders in huge numbers. The drug cartels have taken control of the immigration.
"So they are criminals. They're breaking the law when they are trespassing and they're criminals when they pack the marijuana and the drugs on their
backs."
When pressed, Brewer explained that many are simply coming to the United States to look for work but "are accosted, and they become subjects of the
drug cartels."
"The simple truth is that the majority of human smuggling in our state is under the direction of the drug cartels, which are by definition smuggling
drugs," Brewer's statement said, according to the Associated Press as reported in the Arizona Republic. "It is common knowledge that Mexican drug
cartels have merged human smuggling with drug trafficking."
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Wow! I never thought I'd agree with one of those people inside that head! But I do- you go Goat- Giddy Up!!
Whats wrong is wrong-
Nice day in Primo Tapia hows thing your way?
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