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CasaChristie
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Our friends Pierre & Chris have a home on Santispac. It's a rock house at the north end of the beach. They have not heard anything about it and
were wondering if anyone had any information. I know Ana's lost their roof and had considerable damage. Any information would be appreciated.
There are also two homes at Playa Arena at the south end of the beach. We heard that one lost some of the roof, but that was sketchy news. If anyone
know anything about those two homes they would appreciate that also.
Thank you Nomad community for such great reporting and pictures. It really helps all of us to formulate our plans for coming down. We feel fortunate
that our place is still standing with what seems to be minor damage compared to many.
[Edited on 9-6-2009 by CasaChristie]
Jean & John
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monoloco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by CasaChristie
I hope this work. At the website below are pictures of Posada Concepcion damage. It is very bad and I am so sorry for everyone's loss.
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Thanks Christie....Bad damage, for sure. It seems to be roofs and roofing that were the weakest point. I wonder if the tenants will learn from this
and rebuild for strength and durability rather than the Gilligan's Island effect. Palm Fronds and Tejas Tile in a Tropical Storm zone? Makes no
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Actually palapa roofs do quite well if constructed in the traditional manner of tying everything
together using zoyate and datil. The problems arise when cutting corners and nailing the fronds to pine fajias. We have a palapa near Todos Santos
which has weathered every hurricane since Fausto with virtually no damage.
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Bajahowodd
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Thanks to all who have been sending out damage reports and photos. The damages are startling.
Maybe it's just me, but I see Mother Nature having an awful sense of irony, in that almost simultaneous to the great deluge in Baja, LA County
experienced the largest (in area) wild fire in history. 148,000 acres burned, 64 homes destroyed, additional destruction to commercial structure and
out buildings, and the is now only 49% contained. In the scheme of things, LA and Mulege are not that far from each other.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
| Quote: | Originally posted by EngineerMike
Given the narrower cross section at the bridge, the difference had to be more there. |
Well, that does not make any sense to me. A narrower cross section in a fluid flow would cause the velocity of the water flow to increase (Bernoulli's
principle), but not much of an increase in the height of the water. If it were an inviscid fluid, I could tell you the height would not increase at
all. But water does have some viscosity -- not much -- so you might get a small rise. |
All I know is that the Capillary action is causing the water in my head to rise into my brain making it even mushier than it already was.(At my age,
that is a lot of water under and over the bridge). I am turning into a Hydrocephalic and in need of relief from the pressure.
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toneart
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Thank you...
Rick Barber, Capt. Mike and Engineer Mike, for all you are doing!!!
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wadeinthewater
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Just so you folks know, I am writing a feature for Western Outdoor News today that will be online tomorrow and in hard copy mid-week and focuses on
the BBP and Mulege donation sites, as well as some numbers to help those stateside understand. I have no idea how or what coverage this is getting up
there.
Robin Wade
Baja Editor
Western Outdoos News
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Bajahowodd
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Try, like zero. Look forward to your article.
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Bob and Susan
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punta arena...
2 houses
one lost part of the roof
the other is fine
a guard is there now 24-7 doing cleanup work
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by monoloco
Actually palapa roofs do quite well if constructed in the traditional manner of tying everything together using zoyate and datil. The problems arise
when cutting corners and nailing the fronds to pine fajias. We have a palapa near Todos Santos which has weathered every hurricane since Fausto with
virtually no damage. |
Real Palapa roof construction is a skill as well as an art. Fifty years ago, I would sit for hours in a park in PV and watch to construction of a
huge one. I'll bet it's still there today.
That said, do you think those raggedy grass roofs we see in the damage fotos fall into that catagory? I don't.
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EngineerMike
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Just in from Bill Havig in Mulege:
It was Art who got stuck not me (@ Serenidad where there was about a meter of water; earlier rumor had Bill & Judy wading out from
there). We are at the Mulege Hotel, I,m at Ellan's at the Bay, Sat. Internet,
Much worse than John, Had about 7 ft of water (@ Bills house, east end of Oasis & next the the Jungle; Bill's house is about 18" above ground
level so 8.5' water there based on his 7' estimate), can't get in the garage yet. The town looks like a war zone. I have been to the house only
2 times, one time just looked in the window, went back yesterday... only stayed for 5 minutes, The Orchard is almost gone. we had to have over 100
mile hour winds
CFE just brought in a lot of Temp. Power. we have a little elect at the hotel but no A C. As for needs right now my head is not on right and i can't
think of anything now, maybe a gas pressure washer, put mine up on the scaffold, but i think water got it, if i don't need it i'm sure some one will.
So much for sand bags, But Judy and i are fine, had one hell of a Hurricane party Wed. at the hotel, must be 15 of us.
Director, Mulege Student Scholarship Program
Oasis Rio Baja #M-3, & Auburn, CA
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Bajahowodd
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http://bajaquest.com/jimena/oasis.htm
I apologize in advance if this is redundant. Slide show of Oasis and Orchard.
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arrowhead
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You are wrong - try studying open-channel flow - "hydraulic jump". |
I beg to differ. Hydraulic jump occurs when the velocity of the water flow suddenly decreases. When an open channel is suddenly narrowed, the
velocity of the water flow increases, just as Bernoulli's Principle states. Because the frictional resistance varies with velocity, the
pressure drops and the water height actually drops.
If what I say is not true, then airplanes would not fly. |
OK, don't believe me ! Your choice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_jump
High velocity water hitting an obstruction or narrowing will attempt to both increase velocity and column height as the obstruction causes turbulent
flow and slows down the column. The release of water from the obstruction occurs with slower velocity into the more open channel beyond the
obstruction......this difference and the surface tension/friction between the 2 flows will cause a "jump".
And if you don't believe this - FINE !  
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Cypress
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If you're living in a big arroyo(a drainage area) and the rains come, you're gonna get wet. Geez! This is the second time in 5 yrs. that Mulege has
been flooded. Water velocity? Surface tension? Friction? Can call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is "don't live in a flood zone".
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Bajahowodd
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Thanks for the dose of reality, Cypress. It was becoming an academic waste of time, in that whoever was correct mattered not at all to the victims.
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LaRibereņa
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Ignacio Springs B&B
I just received this email from Terry who is apparently in Canada right now.
Well, I just got off the phone with Jane Ames in San Ignacio and it looks very bad for Ignacio Springs. I got word through the poliice that Gary and
Peter are staying with Salvador, and that the flood was much bigger than anything we have experienced in the past and definitely went over our wall as
it was 2 meter higher than the highest we have had. They are OK but the task ahead is immense. The funeral for my brother is today and I do not
have a return ticket yet but I need to make some decisions soon I guess. I really need to be here but I really want to be with Gary. There is no
electricity and who knows for how long that will be. The flooding is subsiding now so the work can begin I guess. I will keep you posted if I hear
from Gary. Thank you all for your concern.
Terry
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Cypress
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Bajahowodd, Reality. Yea, it's sad. One of those things, referred to as a "wake-up" call. Most of the local folks live above the flood zone. Most of
the Gringos don't live in the flood zone, they have "camps" down there, and visit for a few weeks out of the year.
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EngineerMike
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Got a u2u and follow up w/a bi-lingual Nomad near S.D. She will be checking w/the Consulate on Tuesday about Aduana and donations crossing the
border.
Previous rules about donations (based on experience w/a fire truck donated to Mulege) are as follows:
1) make a manifest showing the details of the donation: piece count, size(s), description(s), and value, just as though making a list to pay duty.
2) obtain a form for duty waiver, or have an official (in our fire truck case the Governor's office) get the forms, and fill them out.
3) the receiving agency (this is where it gets sticky) signs for acceptance of the donation. If it is a medical donation, that's ISSTE. If its a
fire truck, the Govenrnor. If its food, clothing, blankets- I haven't a clue who is authorized to officially "accept" that stuff
4) proceed to Otay Mesa where the load will be inspected for consistency w/the manifest and cleared. (haven't a clue if this can go thru San Ysidro).
5) take donation to its recipients in Baja.
The Nomad thinks the form can be obtained at the Consulate, and signature obtained there as well. Facts to be ascertained are:
1) does the load need to set at the Consulate for their inspection to obtain the signature,
2) can the form be downloaded from the internet,
3) can the form be submitted and signature obtained in advance of hitting S.D. (by some advance volunteer) so drivers can pick up the signed form
& scoot
4) does relief of this sort require the "acceptance" process as described above, which will probably make it infeasible due to accepting org's other
priorities at this point; maybe that will be possible in a week or 10 days
This just in from a Mexican national of Mulege- locals are scared to death this will kill tourism in Mulege sufficiently to utterly collapse the local
economy, which is already in extreme dire straights because of economic malaise in the U.S. With the loss of homes in La Fortuna, Orchard, Oasis, and
the hard hits further downstream, lots of folks will consider bunching it.
Director, Mulege Student Scholarship Program
Oasis Rio Baja #M-3, & Auburn, CA
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I imagine the local red cross or proteccion civil or municipal police could sign for donations brought across the border no problema...or the
delegado...probably can be faxed or scanned and printed, signed and emailed back too.
what does "bunching it" mean?
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Bajahowodd
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I'm guessing he means something akin to walking away. There was an earlier post that mentioned the government may place a moratorium on building. That
said, I suspect that any project that could help protect against a repeat of this problem would have to be massive in scope and extremely expensive.
Dollars and cents-wise, I just don't think there's enough population in the area to justify the size of financial commitment it would take to actually
make a difference. That also would translate into not being politically popular. Time will tell. Who knows? There may be a ton of folks willing to
place a bet along the river, just looking at the odds for a repeat anytime soon.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EngineerMike
This just in from a Mexican national of Mulege- locals are scared to death this will kill tourism in Mulege sufficiently to utterly collapse the local
economy, which is already in extreme dire straights because of economic malaise in the U.S. With the loss of homes in La Fortuna, Orchard, Oasis, and
the hard hits further downstream, lots of folks will consider bunching it. |
Pretty much like New Orleans after Katrina.
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