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Bajafun777
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OK, I have seen enough about California being upset to the point of not wanting anything to do with Arizona, California has the same laws folks. Check
out Penal Code Sections 113, 114, 115 and of course the law enforcement involvement with 834b of the California Penal Code. All clearly makes it a
crime for anyone to use a false document of any kind for employment, makes it crime for anyone who assists anyone here illegally, requires YES
requires law enforcement to cooperate with ICE. Now, the California Supreme Court found Prop. 187 unconstitutional thus it also said that 834b of the
Penal Code was preempted by Federal law as the sole enforcement of immigration law violations rested with the Federal Government. However, Federal law
8 USC 1644 & 1373 gave law enforcement the right and ability to do as they are doing in Arizona share information and assist in arresting those
violating federal law such as illegal immigration which is a misdemeanor. Local law enforcement officers must see a misdemeanor being committed to
arrest here in California but with the federal law they can assist with linking with ICE to have the person found to be here illegally arrested and
deported by ICE.
So, all crybabies in California need to shut the hell up and if it is illegal then don't do it or face not liking being arrested and deported back to
where you came from. As written here, Mexico's laws are tougher on immigration than ours, so Mexico needs to shut the hell up too. Enough already,
just everybody follow the law and if you do not like getting booted out for breaking the laws here or in Mexico, then do not break them.
Now,this issue is settled and over already. I told myself I would not enter this topic again but its ongoing nature just made me do it, so if anyone
does not like what I wrote tough it's the law. Now, that's my story and I am sticking to it!!! LOL OK, Doug end the topic before they make an
amendment to the Constitution to allow those not born in the United States to run for President as Arnold is out of job in January 2011.
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Cypress
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California giving advice to other states is sorta like "Typhoid Mary" giving advice on hygiene.
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Marc
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I was gassing up in Yacora, Sonora near the Chihuahua border in October '09. Pulling out I was stopped by a guy in an unmarked Jeep. He was not in
uniform but did have some sort of badge. He checked ALL of my papers; Passport, visa, registration, insurance, vehicle permit, drivers license. I did
not point out that in Sonora I do not need a car permit, but I was obviously returning from Chihuahua. Well it's his country, and as he stated to me,
he's just doing his job. I was not breaking any law when stopped so I guess I was "profiled"! So what?
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
MY only objection to "Long-Winded" Copy and Paste jobs is that they're just another example of laziness.
Lazy minds do it rather than spend the time using their own words, "quotes" and summaries in a more concise presentation. |
I some cases, one would rather "read" the words as written by the "source" rather than a "take" by one who suppling the "take"..
In that fashion, there is no mistake about what was actually said..
Some find it hard to support their "take" with factual documentation .... I for one do not..
Blah, Blah, Blah... is usually what starts a real fight... and does not really help in a "discussion" or an "argument" ...
Will grant its not as much fun... but, who said it would be fun
[Edited on 6-27-2010 by wessongroup]
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Cypress
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Arizona has been forced to take action because the feds have failed to do their job. Plain and simple.
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k-rico
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/opinion/25fri4.html
Mayor Michael Bloomberg, making good on an inaugural pledge, has stepped up to help lead the national battle for immigration reform. On Thursday, he
announced a partnership of mayors and business leaders to make the economic case for reform, including mayors of Los Angeles, Philadelphia, San
Antonio, Phoenix, and top executives of companies like Walt Disney, Hewlett-Packard, Boeing and the New York Mets.
Rupert Murdoch — chairman of the News Corporation, naturalized citizen and member of the coalition — stated its views succinctly: “This country can
and must enact new immigration policies that fulfill our employment needs, provide a careful pathway to legal status for undocumented
residents, and end illegal immigration.”
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DENNIS
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There comes a time when "lip service" becomes really tedious.
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wessongroup
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Naw... it's already be taken care of through "Sanctuary Cities"... quite a program they have going here... and it is completely against all Federal
Laws on the issue.. and is stated as being not in compliance with Federal Laws ...
Take a look, you may find your own home town ... is a "Sanctuary City".. had no clue on this .. mine is ....
http://www.sanctuarycities.info/sanctuary_state_california.h...
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MrBillM
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Giving Sanctuary
One of the cities in California that declared itself a "Sanctuary City" was my wife's childhood home of Maywood.
It was quite successful in that respect. It is estimated that 50 percent of Maywood's residents are Illegal Aliens. And, it must be true because the
Los Angeles Socialist Peoples Daily World (L.A. Times) says so.
Of course, Maywood just went out of business because they're dead broke.
One "Amusing" aspect of the Death of Maywood was that the L.A. Times had described Maywood and Neighbor Cudahy as "Gritty" neighborhoods to which the
Cudahy officials took exception and defended their "Fine" city.
NOW, that is a Laugh. Taking Exception, that is.
When I was a Youngster in the early 50s and mi Papa worked at one of the Rendering plants in Cudahy, calling the area "Gritty" would have been a
compliment and nothing had changed since then.
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Bajahowodd
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Does no one see a disconnect between Rupert Murdoch being actively involved in a media group lobbying for meaningful immigration reform, even as his
Fox network clowns have spent several years in the forefront of fomenting the ugliness against immigrants?
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toneart
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Yep!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Does no one see a disconnect between Rupert Murdoch being actively involved in a media group lobbying for meaningful immigration reform, even as his
Fox network clowns have spent several years in the forefront of fomenting the ugliness against immigrants? |
I raise my hand and my skepticism. 
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Does no one see a disconnect between Rupert Murdoch being actively involved in a media group lobbying for meaningful immigration reform, even as his
Fox network clowns have spent several years in the forefront of fomenting the ugliness against immigrants? |
I raise my hand and my skepticism. |
You mean compromising your beliefs, ideals to make a buck? Naw that never happens. Fox has found/made a huge market that subscribes to its point of
view.
A part of immigration reform is to retain in the states the foreigners educated at American universities. The current process for obtaining the
ability to work legally and permanently in the US is extremely onerous and old fashioned. I know, I helped my wife get a green card - stacks of
paperwork, about two years in time, 1000s of dollars in lawyer fees, and an airplane trip to Juarez for one of the interviews at the US consulate
there. Nice place................
Changing the forms to Internet based with automated input verfication and validation would be a HUGE positive step. A couple of years ago they all had
to be typed and sent around in the mail.
And all of that as a spouse of an American citizen. Non-spouses have additional constraints to overcome. I signed papers saying I would be her means
of support and re-imburse the government for any welfare money she may receive in the future.
I've read that it is estimated that half of all illegal immigrants got into the states legally and overstayed their visas, such as student visas, but
probably mostly tourist visas, not by marching across the desert or by being stuffed into a truck of a car.
I'm guessing Murdoch is concerned about the archaic, difficult, and confusing process, since he too went through it, except for the Juarez interview
since he's an Australian.
[Edited on 6-28-2010 by k-rico]
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monoloco
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A worker trying to get a visa for menial labor will be retirement age before they are processed.
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Bajahowodd
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k-rico:"You mean compromising your beliefs, ideals to make a buck? Naw that never happens. Fox has found/made a huge market that subscribes to its
point of view."
Make a buck?? Fact is that the ONLY reason that international mogul and Australian Rupert Murdoch became an American citizen was so he could buy Fox
and retain ownership of the television network and stations. US law prohibits foreigners from owning broadcast stations. He would have had to divest
his holdings of the broadcast group, had he not become a citizen. Nothing as romantic or patriotic as loving America.
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MrBillM
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Arizona by the Numbers
In March, Governor Jan Brewer trailed her Dem opponent by 9 points in the Rasmussen poll.
NOW, she leads in the same polling 53 - 35.
A 27 Point difference.
What Changed ?
OH, Yeah !
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jimgrms
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american citizen are continuly being asked for a id when useing our debit or credit cards doing banking ect ; it is only a big deal if you are illegal
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Cypress
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Hang tuff Arizona! Wish the rest of the US had the backbone/gonads to join you.
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MrBillM
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The Southern Invasion
Hidden cameras placed on the Invasion routes in Arizona show a steady stream of Illegals, including Armed Drug-runners, and NO Fed agents.
One camera, over a 39-day period, shows 739 Illegals.
In a related story, it was noted that the ICE agents face difficulty in patrolling one section of the AZ border because it is the habitat of an
endangered Deer and they are restricted from intruding upon the habitat of the creature. Additionally, FUGLY Janet says that we face "difficulties"
in some areas because they are TRIBAL lands where the Federal government doesn't have full control.
It's just such a HARD job. I'm SO sorry for them.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Additionally, FUGLY Janet says that we face "difficulties" in some areas because they are TRIBAL lands where the Federal government doesn't have full
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The list would be far shorter if the government would tell us where they do have control. To stand there and blame their ineptitude on a tribe of
over-weight Indians is ludicrous.
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MrBillM
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Control ?
Just wondering, of course, but isn't their expressed "Supremacy" argument that ONLY They have FULL-CONTROL over the border and immigration ?
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