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DENNIS
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Speaking of Katrina...didn't Mexico send relief workers to New Orleans?
Nobility sees no border.
Maybe that was the fires. Can't remember everything.
[Edited on 9-6-2009 by DENNIS]
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EngineerMike
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Bunching it: throwing in the towel, giving up, not coming back
I'm hoping you are right Shari, about faxes or scans. My experience leads to expect otherwise, with the official penchant for colored ink and agency
stamps. In the U.S. most processes like these would be morphed to meet the need, with some official issuing a temporary exception. In Mexico my
experience has been that federal agencies don't much care about the states when it is their (federal agency) budget that misses out on income. So
this is very much an issue of federal agency sanity in an agency much given to corruption over many years.
That said, there is a wholesale new regime in place. I have high hopes for Aduana's new foot soldiers. But they have to have sensible guidelines
from above.
Director, Mulege Student Scholarship Program
Oasis Rio Baja #M-3, & Auburn, CA
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EngineerMike
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As to placing bets along the river, I know two homeowners at the Oasis who got insurance within the last month, and many more who have had it for
years. Actuarials at the insurance agencies didn't seem to have an issue up to that point. We'll see going forward.
Director, Mulege Student Scholarship Program
Oasis Rio Baja #M-3, & Auburn, CA
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Cypress
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DENNIS, Katrina didn't hit New Orleans. Katrina hit the Mississippi Gulf Coast. New Orleans is below sea level and was flooded due to lack of
maintenance on flood pumps etc. The money was spent on "ghost employees" and other such frauds by the city govt. and they re-elected the same theives
with full knowledge of their crimes. By the way, Mexico probably sent some folks down to help. They probably won't be going back any time soon.
Another Wake-up Call!
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Marie-Rose
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LaRibereña
I just received this email from Terry who is apparently in Canada right now.
Well, I just got off the phone with Jane Ames in San Ignacio and it looks very bad for Ignacio Springs. I got word through the poliice that Gary and
Peter are staying with Salvador, and that the flood was much bigger than anything we have experienced in the past and definitely went over our wall as
it was 2 meter higher than the highest we have had. They are OK but the task ahead is immense. The funeral for my brother is today and I do not
have a return ticket yet but I need to make some decisions soon I guess. I really need to be here but I really want to be with Gary. There is no
electricity and who knows for how long that will be. The flooding is subsiding now so the work can begin I guess. I will keep you posted if I hear
from Gary. Thank you all for your concern.
Terry |
I am so very sad to hear about this. I can only hope that the damages are repairable. I just hate to think of the lovely antique furniture that
belonged to Terry's grandmother... in my favorite yurt Unfortunately it is the
yurt right next to the wall. Please pass on my heartfelt regards to both Terry and Gary and let them know that we are thinking about them.
[Edited on 2009-9-6 by Marie-Rose]
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Sharksbaja
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and according to one Nomad, we are blessed.
What a guy!
So you think those who suffered damage from John should have not fixed their places, rather abandon their homes? Walk away? WTF?
Think about that.
Regardless of what extent you suffered it's the landowners or Fido holders to clean up their mess and not burden the city or others with doing so.
Moreover, a return to a more user friendly area should be considered.
Think how it use to be. It was a place for camping and visiting in a palm oasis. It can still be that. Big permanent homes replaced palapa courtyards
which would be easily replaced after a flood.
Frankly though if our home were rebuildable we most likely would rebuild it for a number of reasons. That game has changed the playing field for many
of us now.
Enuff said. Keep the faith in Mulege. We'll be there, hope you are too.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
DENNIS, Katrina didn't hit New Orleans. Katrina hit the Mississippi Gulf Coast. New Orleans is below sea level and was flooded due to lack of
maintenance on flood pumps etc. The money was spent on "ghost employees" and other such frauds by the city govt. and they re-elected the same theives
with full knowledge of their crimes. By the way, Mexico probably sent some folks down to help. They probably won't be going back any time soon.
Another Wake-up Call! |
Thanks, Cyp. I was just referring to the ruination of tourism due to the hurricane, or flooding in New Orleans.
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DENNIS
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Anybody hear how BBP is doing with customs?
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Cypress
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DENNIS, You're welcome. The Mississippi Gulf Coast is up and running. Check it out! New Orleans? Oh well, they're still waiting for somebody to help
them.
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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EngineerMike
As to placing bets along the river, I know two homeowners at the Oasis who got insurance within the last month, and many more who have had it for
years. Actuarials at the insurance agencies didn't seem to have an issue up to that point. We'll see going forward. |
Does any of this insurance cover flooding? I can't believe that it would considering the risk to the insurance companies.
Bob H
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Bob H
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I was thinking that rebuilding along the Mulege river will never be allowed again.... only at higher elevations .... maybe a road, but no
dwellings... comments?
Bob H
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
Bajahowodd, Reality. Yea, it's sad. One of those things, referred to as a "wake-up" call. Most of the local folks live above the flood zone. Most of
the Gringos don't live in the flood zone, they have "camps" down there, and visit for a few weeks out of the year. |
This is not true and it certainly is not helpful or consoling. This, coupled with some of your other absurd statements makes you a real POS!
Jeez.....here we go again. The now infamous, damned troll started spouting this nonsense after Hurricane John. We have been over and over this. Most
of us do live in the flood zone and most of us are there for half a year or permanently. And yes, we are the "Mud People" whom that troll so
graciously named us. You want to call us stupid too? You want to call me a "whiner" too? Well, so be it! I will commiserate with the finest people I
know.
John was terrible, but we were able to clean up and look forward. Anything since the 1957 flood was doable as far as cleanup and repairing. We
couldn't just walk away. Too much money was invested. Plus, you never think it will repeat year after year. The cost involved in cleanup and repair
was worth it, until this one.
This Hurricane Jimena was the worst one ever!!!! EVER!. What we had was beautiful, and so was the life there. Now, for many it is totally gone!
It is a tremendous loss, economically, emotionally for all of us, Gringos and Locals alike... and literally for one local's very life! How do you
think his family is feeling right now?
It is a horrific loss for the fine people who lived there, the community of present and future life long friends who are now family, and the wonderful
locals who will survive this, but whose lives will never be the same. Economic times for locals were being affected already by diminished tourism, and
most of them were poor to begin with. And now the outlook for their future is pretty dismal.
Cypress, if this is entertainment for you, take it to the porn movies or some other perverse form of your choice.
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mulegemichael
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bob...i think you are right; the powers that be have already considered not allowing any more building in that area..i think after this one we will be
losing many of our neighbors in the oasis as after julio many of them were gone...this might be the proverbial "straw"...too bad....i wonder if jungle
jims is still there, our little watering hole?...i will sorely miss it if it's gone
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Bajahowodd
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In the US, the only flood insurance is available from the government, or at least a government sponsored entity. Maybe I'm being slightly prejudiced
here, but I cannot imagine that Mexico would have flood coverage incorporated into their standard property insurance.
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mulegemichael
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believe it or not, we have neighbors on the river in mulege that are still able to get flood insurance...i guess the insurance companies are rolling
the dice also considering there wasnt a flood there for some 40 yrs prior to john...we don't even bother with insurance as the hassles outweigh the
monetary loss...we just go in and muck it out one more time...i wonder how many more times we're gonna do it before moving to high ground...but boy,
do i love having my boat at my dock and walking out my front door and fishing for snook..price ya pay for living in paradise.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
If you're living in a big arroyo(a drainage area) and the rains come, you're gonna get wet. Geez! This is the second time in 5 yrs. that Mulege has
been flooded. |
Actually, it was the third time in four years. I think a pattern is developing.
No soy por ni contra apatía.
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Bajahowodd
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Tony- I can only imagine how painful this is for you. You have my deepest sympathy. As inartful and insensitive as Cypress' post was, there is some
real truth involved. First, it remains to be seen whether the government will even allow rebuilding or new building. I think on the plus side, it
doesn't appear that there was loss of lives. Thus, it becomes a financial decision. Governments tend to step in when there is a threat to the lives of
their citizens. On the other hand, if it's just about money, they tend to back away.
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mulegemichael
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dunno about "no loss of lives"....we've heard, and it's only rumor mill so far, that 20 personas, mas y mano, are missing...mostly rancheros...so sad
dyslexia is never having to say you\'re yrros.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob H
I was thinking that rebuilding along the Mulege river will never be allowed again.... only at higher elevations .... maybe a road, but no
dwellings... comments?
Bob H |
Hi Bob!
Yes, there is talk of that, but nothing official yet. It probably make good sense, after this Hurricane.
But if this is not enacted, it should certainly be a personal decision for each individual. Some will. We should not judge their personal decisions;
some have something left with which to rebuild; some have faith that it will never happen again; Some are so emotionally attached to the place that
they can't let it go.
The reality of this last Hurricane is so new than many have not been able to assimilate it. Besides, there is the very immediate crises of life for
the locals that we need to consider first, in my opinion. Events will shake out (and dry out) in time and in increments
Time puts things in proper perspective, and those perspectives are different for each individual involved.
I have met you and Audrey and I know your concern for the people of Mulege. Your heart is in the right place.
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arrowhead
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
We couldn't just walk away. Too much money was invested. Plus, you never think it will repeat year after year. The cost involved in cleanup and
repair was worth it, until this one. |
You know, you "mud people" could have the last laugh if you were only a little smarter about how you go about it. You want to live in the river
bottom? OK. Here's how you do it. Buy yourself a house trailer on wheels and park it in the river bottom. Leave the wheels on it. Pay the land rent
for your space. Every Spring when you go back north, have it moved up to high ground and tied down in a fenced yard. For those that live there full
time, have a place to tow it to on high ground. There is always enough warning before the rains come.
Fight off the urge to improve your space with a house, garage, boat storage, an outhouse, etc. Just forget about it.
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