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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by norte
and he is rolling in his grave. How did you come up with these pearls of wisdom (Ignoramus!) at a time like this?
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Gypsy Jan
While Ron and Cristina were in crisis.
But, when I told hubby about their situation, he replied, "Now you you know why we have dogs and a fenced property inside a gated community."
He added, "When someone arrives unexpected at our gate, ringing our bell and asking for entrance, I always let the dogs out first and then establish a
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Safety comes first... even our late amigo 'jrbaja' lived inside a gated community while posting publicly against them as isolating yourself from the
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A gated community, in Mexico seems to be becoming the Mexican experience, or at least the goal, if you want to survive. I'll bet most rich Mexicans
have a gated property.
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krafty
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I'm confused-is a gated community in Cali or Texas a US experience?
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EnsenadaDr
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The last time I heard a gated community was death row at San Quentin...(NOT San Quintin!!!)
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
A gated community, in Mexico seems to be becoming the Mexican experience, or at least the goal, if you want to survive. I'll bet most rich Mexicans
have a gated property. |
I know a prominant Mexican family with two young children who lived in a Baja gated community with round the clock guards. He was paranoid about
kidnapping. So he hired an additional personal guard(s) to patrol his house on a 24 hour basis. He was still paranoid. So he moved his family to
the San Diego area last year. He commutes to Baja by public air transportation on a weekly basis to operate his business(es) here. His house sits
vacant.
[Edited on 9-30-2011 by oxxo]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
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What the family could certainly use - for those that would (still) want to - is help with medical expenses at the current private hospital that is
treating Ron. If there are people that wish to assist with this, the challenge is how to get funds quickly to someone on the ground there - and to
whom?
Whomever it is will need to keep good records/receipts, because there will be an expectation of transparency for how those funds are spent.
The responsibility does not come lightly.
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Regards,
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Doug Means
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My question was deleted, but I wasn't the first to think of this. So what happened to the idea of transparency? Is it too soon? Do others not feel
that transparency is an obligation towards those who contributed their hard-earned money? |
roberto:
an accounting is only owed to people who gave. you didn't give, so nobody owes you squat!
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EnsenadaDr
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Accounting for....
Any public assistance to tsunami victims or earthquake victims is public record. I don't think Roberto is being unreasonable. When I borrowed
money from my aunt to go to medical school, she asked me for a notary endorsed promissory note. She loves me like her own daughter, but business is
business.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
His house sits vacant. |
Since kidnapping so often begins with the threat to extract money before the crime itself is committed, there are many well-to-do Mexicans living NOB
to escape what would be inevitable had they stayed home and chanced it.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
an accounting is only owed to people who gave. you didn't give, so nobody owes you squat! |
Nonsense. Public appeals demand public accounting....which, I'm sure will come once the situation is right.
It is only insensitive to demand anything in this case without allowing time.......his time. Not yours.
Ron has problems. He hasn't even returned to his own site as yet. Why don't you folks shelve your impatientce until he's able to participate?
If, at that time, nothing is said, then it's your turn to ask questions.
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[Edited on 9-30-2011 by DENNIS]
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baronvonbob
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hear hear!
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Any public assistance to tsunami victims or earthquake victims is public record. I don't think Roberto is being unreasonable. When I borrowed
money from my aunt to go to medical school, she asked me for a notary endorsed promissory note. She loves me like her own daughter, but business is
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That is fine and wise. However, Ron did not ask for help (he couldn't, but he wouldn't if he could I think)...
It was given freely by those who wanted to help. So, give the money accounting requests a break until Ron feels like addressing them, if he wants to.
The only people who have any business knowing where the money went are those who helped. My guess is if you helped, then that is enough.
The result is that Ron survived and is with family recovering, and that is the best anyone of us could hope for and is what giving the money
provided... Just what more is necessary if the desired results were achieved? (no response needed, it is just my opinion)
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KASHEYDOG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
an accounting is only owed to people who gave. you didn't give, so nobody owes you squat! |
Nonsense. Public appeals demand public accounting....which, I'm sure will come once the situation is right.
It is only insensitive to demand anything in this case without allowing time.......his time. Not yours.
Ron has problems. He hasn't even returned to his own site as yet. Why don't you folks shelve your impatientce until he's able to participate?
If, at that time, nothing is said, then it's your turn to ask questions. |
Right on DENNIS and DAVID K ... ..
If you have to give with strings attached then DON"T give. If you can't "afford "to give without knowing where your money went DON"T give. If
you can't TRUST the man to do the right thing the with your "GIFT" then DON'T give. That's what "GIVING" is all about people. IT'S A GIFT. Take your
accounting and kiss my grits... .. ..
[Edited on 9-30-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  ....  ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ?? 
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I trust the person who received my heartfelt gift for Ron and Cristina so please do not
include me in an accounting of what I gave. An accounting for me is not needed.
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KASHEYDOG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R
I trust the person who received my heartfelt gift for Ron and Cristina so please do not
include me in an accounting of what I gave. An accounting for me is not needed. |
RIGHT ON DAVID.. .. ..
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
| Quote: | Originally posted by 805gregg
A gated community, in Mexico seems to be becoming the Mexican experience, or at least the goal, if you want to survive. I'll bet most rich Mexicans
have a gated property. |
I know a prominant Mexican family with two young children who lived in a Baja gated community with round the clock guards. He was paranoid about
kidnapping. So he hired an additional personal guard(s) to patrol his house on a 24 hour basis. He was still paranoid. So he moved his family to
the San Diego area last year. He commutes to Baja by public air transportation on a weekly basis to operate his business(es) here. His house sits
vacant.
[Edited on 9-30-2011 by oxxo] |
I can top that. There is a large gated community in central Rosarito where many prominent Mexicans (and a few US pro surfers) live. It has only one
entrance and exit with guard booth and gate. Even so a 16 year old boy was kidnapped off the street while riding his bike and held for extortion.
The guard in the booth tried to help the boy- so they cut off his head and left it across the street in the McDonalds parking lot. The family paid
the ransom and got the boy back. There is no way to protect you or your family when they come for you.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
That is fine and wise. However, Ron did not ask for help (he couldn't, but he wouldn't if he could I think)...
It was given freely by those who wanted to help. |
Respectfully, I disagree. It was given after a call for financial assistance went out from those who assumed responsibility for his well-being. They
are, in fact, responsible for full disclosure as well.
I could have gone forever without an accounting of the donated funds, but the more that people step in and say it's nobody's business, the more I'll
insist on fiscal closure.
To deny this process will forever taint the motives of those who assumed responsibility for the acceptance and use of the funds and will live long in
the memories of Nomads and others who will, in the future, be called upon to help, and for those generous souls who gave from their hearts on behalf
of the Hoffs who don't care to see an accounting.....well, don't look at it, but your cavalier feelings and attitudes shouldn't deny those who feel
it's an integral part of the process.
This is crazy. How did this issue ever come to this level of bickering?
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[Edited on 9-30-2011 by DENNIS]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
This is crazy. How did this issue ever come to this level of bickering?
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A lack of leadership and impatience.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
This is crazy. How did this issue ever come to this level of bickering?
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A lack of leadership and impatience. |
We're supposed to be grown-ups.
Ohh...by the way, Woooosh....nice lead in to your beheading story up there by saying, "I can top that." 
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KASHEYDOG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
This is crazy. How did this issue ever come to this level of bickering?
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A lack of leadership and impatience. |
We're supposed to be grown-ups.
Ohh...by the way, Woooosh....nice lead in to your beheading story up there by saying, "I can top that." |
..... Dennis, you velly funny man. You maka me raff
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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rts551
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This board can sometimes be unbelievable. An accounting can easily be ignored by those who do not want it. No-accounting may only drive those away
that would prefer it.
Now why would you polarize over such a silly issue? Do you really want people to not give as Kashydog has posted?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
This is crazy. How did this issue ever come to this level of bickering?
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A lack of leadership and impatience. |
We're supposed to be grown-ups.
Ohh...by the way, Woooosh....nice lead in to your beheading story up there by saying, "I can top that." |
People have short memories. I think the illusion of safety in Baja is fleeting and this crime hit a lot of people like a ton of bricks. Apparently
being well-liked by the locals is not enough to be safe, nor is living is guarded gated community. You have to make your own security in addition to
what is locally available- even is a gated community. Not comparing it to NOB, just saying if your number comes up in Baja- you clearly have less
resources on your side to assist you.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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