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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
People have short memories. |
Americans do....that's a fact. Some others never forget....or forgive.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Not comparing it to NOB, just saying if your number comes up in Baja- you clearly have less resources on your side to assist you.
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yes, taxes NOB support a fairly reliable safety net for victims of crime, and govt does an adequate job of keeping govt running for us NOB people.
and soon there will be mandate to carry health insurance, which means NOB people won't find themselves in trouble w/o insurance. who can complain
about that?
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KASHEYDOG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
This board can sometimes be unbelievable. An accounting can easily be ignored by those who do not want it. No-accounting may only drive those away
that would prefer it.
Now why would you polarize over such a silly issue? Do you really want people to not give as Kashydog has posted?
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WOW !!! Did you ever miss the point  .. ..
I'm sure you give a complete accounting to all your relatives at Christmas for the gifts you took back because you hated them and the stuff you
"re-gifted" to your all your friends or did you just get the money back and use it for beer??
Wait!! I have a solution . I'll start a fund to pay for an accountant to do the audit and we' ll make him give us all an accounting of both funds. You
want to be the first donor..
[Edited on 9-30-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  ....  ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
This board can sometimes be unbelievable. An accounting can easily be ignored by those who do not want it. No-accounting may only drive those away
that would prefer it.
Now why would you polarize over such a silly issue? Do you really want people to not give as Kashydog has posted?
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WOW !!! Did you ever miss the point ....
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Don't think so. here is an excerpt from your post.
If you have to give with strings attached then DON"T give. If you can't "afford "to give without knowing where your money went DON"T give. If you
can't TRUST the man to do the right thing the with your "GIFT" then DON'T give. That's what "GIVING" is all about people. IT'S A GIFT. Take your
accounting and kiss my grits... .. ..
I prefer accounting if it will help people give
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rts551
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KASHEYDOG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
This board can sometimes be unbelievable. An accounting can easily be ignored by those who do not want it. No-accounting may only drive those away
that would prefer it.
Now why would you polarize over such a silly issue? Do you really want people to not give as Kashydog has posted?
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WOW !!! Did you ever miss the point ....
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Don't think so. here is an excerpt from your post.
If you have to give with strings attached then DON"T give. If you can't "afford "to give without knowing where your money went DON"T give. If you
can't TRUST the man to do the right thing the with your "GIFT" then DON'T give. That's what "GIVING" is all about people. IT'S A GIFT. Take your
accounting and kiss my grits.......
I prefer accounting if it will help people give |
OK !!! Here's the point..... When you "gift" something in the true spirit of "giving" it should be done without recourse. I can just see
poor Ron sitting down with paper , pencil and spread sheet for a day or two to appease those who need "an accounting". Jeez, thanks for the
"GIFT" ......
Wait!! I have a solution . I'll start a fund to pay for an accountant to do the audit and we' ll make him give us all an accounting of both funds. You
want to be the first donor..
[Edited on 9-30-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
This board can sometimes be unbelievable. An accounting can easily be ignored by those who do not want it. No-accounting may only drive those away
that would prefer it.
Now why would you polarize over such a silly issue? Do you really want people to not give as Kashydog has posted?
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WOW !!! Did you ever miss the point ....
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Don't think so. here is an excerpt from your post.
If you have to give with strings attached then DON"T give. If you can't "afford "to give without knowing where your money went DON"T give. If you
can't TRUST the man to do the right thing the with your "GIFT" then DON'T give. That's what "GIVING" is all about people. IT'S A GIFT. Take your
accounting and kiss my grits.......
I prefer accounting if it will help people give |
Just something to consider.............Some of the original large pledges were for transportation costs to NOB, for medical treatment. That didn't
occur until substantial costs were incurred in Ensenada. Strings? Only those who pledged can speak to that!
Ken
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Just something to consider.............Some of the original large pledges were for transportation costs to NOB, for medical treatment. That didn't
occur until substantial costs were incurred in Ensenada. Strings? Only those who pledged can speak to that!
Ken |
I was one of those, Ken, but it, to my recollection, was early in the game while, due to everybody being unaware of what was going on, thought
transport to be a viable option. [that was Ron's third day in the hospital, I believe]
Had a depository for funds been in place at that time, I would have put my money there.
I made my pledge and stood by it in a succeeding post, so I don't get your meaning here.
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Cypress
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The "pot" of money contributed to the medical expenses of a Nomad in need has been sqaundered? Good God in Heaven!!! WTF is going on here? On the
other hand?  Most of those charity deals are a rip-off.
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KASHEYDOG
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I don't know why I let myself get sucked into these things....
My father always told me " never argue with idiots, you may be mistaken for one.... ..
Think Ill go do something constructive. Hey, David K, Elinvestigator and Dennis, I'm buying the first 10 rounds of beer at the Monterey Cannery in
Oceanside. You guys comin' over?? One of you guys have to bring the spread sheet for the beer audit. SEE YA THERE.......
[Edited on 9-30-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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Cypress
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The first 10 rounds? Your father was right!
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Just something to consider.............Some of the original large pledges were for transportation costs to NOB, for medical treatment. That didn't
occur until substantial costs were incurred in Ensenada. Strings? Only those who pledged can speak to that!
Ken |
I was one of those, Ken, but it, to my recollection, was early in the game while, due to everybody being unaware of what was going on, thought
transport to be a viable option. [that was Ron's third day in the hospital, I believe]
Had a depository for funds been in place at that time, I would have put my money there.
I made my pledge and stood by it in a succeeding post, so I don't get your meaning here. |
The first pledge of $1000 was made on the 11th and was to be paid to whoever could get Ron to a hospital in the US and a few of the others were of the
same nature. That on the surface is a conditional pledge and is very common when making donations, you want your money to be spent in a specific way.
Again, I don't presume to speak to those who made the pledge. Just giving something to think about to those that are saying pledges with "strings"
are to be discounted.
Ken
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KASHEYDOG
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...... | Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
The first 10 rounds? Your father was right! |
Cypress !!! Don't make me come up there to Ideeho or where ever it is you live. Is that still in the U.S.A.??? Just north of Laguna Beach isn't it
...... BTW you're more then welcome to stop by for a beer too. That is if you
can find your way past the moose dung heap.......
[Edited on 9-30-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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Roberto
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For the record - it seems most everyone is missing the boat. It's not RON THAT NEEDS TO ACCOUNT FOR ANYTHING. The money was for him and his family to
spend as needed. It's about the OVERHEAD, and any charity or similar effort needs to show what that is.
I hope DENNIS will forgive me for making an additional comment after saying I was done with this thread, but I decided to try one more time to make
this clear. Now, you can go on bad-mouthing me. Really "makes no never mind".
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norte
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you mean its not ok if someone needed gas or food money? I mean after all they were donating their time.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
For the record - it seems most everyone is missing the boat. It's not RON THAT NEEDS TO ACCOUNT FOR ANYTHING. The money was for him and his family to
spend as needed. It's about the OVERHEAD, and any charity or similar effort needs to show what that is.
I hope DENNIS will forgive me for making an additional comment after saying I was done with this thread, but I decided to try one more time to make
this clear. Now, you can go on bad-mouthing me. Really "makes no never mind". |
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24baja
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Oh for golly sakes.....must someone on this board always take a good thing and turn it into a bad thing? I hope your families are never in need of a
kind word or charitable gift.
Ron & Cristina are great people who never ask us for anything, but I am sure they are extremely grateful for whatever gift we were able to offer,
whether it was financial or moral support. I wish I could have done more.
And in my opinion, NO ONE needs to account for anything, a gift is a gift.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
I hope DENNIS will forgive me for making an additional comment after saying I was done with this thread, but I decided to try one more time to make
this clear. Now, you can go on bad-mouthing me. Really "makes no never mind". |
I will, but it'll cost you a cold beer.
I haven't seen anyone, nor have I, bad-mouthed you, Roberto. I have been agreeing with everything you say. I just think your timing is off.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
For the record - it seems most everyone is missing the boat. It's not RON THAT NEEDS TO ACCOUNT FOR ANYTHING. The money was for him and his family to
spend as needed. It's about the OVERHEAD, and any charity or similar effort needs to show what that is.
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robby:
who said there were overhead costs? why do you think it was non-profit that files statements with IRS?
did you donate? if no, why are you asking to examine the books?
when you give to cruz roja in street median, do you ask for ID first? ask to inspect the books?
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KASHEYDOG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 24baja
Oh for golly sakes.....must someone on this board always take a good thing and turn it into a bad thing? I hope your families are never in need of a
kind word or charitable gift.
Ron & Cristina are great people who never ask us for anything, but I am sure they are extremely grateful for whatever gift we were able to offer,
whether it was financial or moral support. I wish I could have done more.
And in my opinion, NO ONE needs to account for anything, a gift is a gift. |
AMEN TO THAT !!!
[Edited on 9-30-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by 24baja
And in my opinion, NO ONE needs to account for anything, a gift is a gift. |
Again, I have to disagree. Gifts are what you receive on your birthday. These funds were solicited.
And, again...I don't care how much they took in...nor do I care where it went. It was, however, an organized effort to gather funds and the books
should be open.
If it's supposed to be confidential, so should have the fund raising effort.
And, I'll say one more thing....if this effort isn't voluntarily exposed, whoever next comes here in dire need and appeals to the world for funding
only to have the effort morph into a guarded secret, they can count me out as a doner. I'm more than an ATM.
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[Edited on 9-30-2011 by DENNIS]
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