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EnsenadaDr
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Isn't Catavina on the road to BOLA? Shari said in the first few pages he had told someone he wanted to take pictures of the whales in BOLA? Was it
possible he was on the main route and picked up a hitchhiker who robbed him and decided to take the car for a joyride before dumping it? | Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Taco,
Wasn't it assumed that Gary was headed to Bahia Los Angeles from Las Jardines? Where in your opinion do you think he was headed before the turn off
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I don't know where it was "assumed" he was headed, maybe that's buried in the 1,000+ replies to this thread with lots of differing opinions. I
believe he was just exploring with no real set goal or local in mind. But, he clearly was not on the road to BOLA. In my opinion he was
headed to the coastal areas north or south of Faro San Jose. There are several points here where he could have the surf break to himself, providing
the swell was there.
However, I am troubled by the apparent lack of food and water in the vehicle. I always carry at least 1 gallon per person per day of water, plus beer
and sodas. There should have been at least a jerry can of water or a case of bottles. Maybe the water was there and just has not been listed. Also,
if you are going to spend the time to go that far off-road there should be a week of canned/dry goods. Were there any 5-gallon gas cans? Always a
good idea to have extra fuel when way off the main roads; 4x4ing burns through a lot of gas. |
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
...it makes no sense for a man to only drive 3 hours and pull over to camp out. |
actually, it makes lots of sense. he had no schedule, was free of commitments, and so could poke around and explore the desert on his own schedule.
perhaps he heard of some rock art in the area, or an old mine to explore,...
any nomads know what archaeo or natural wonders are in that area that may have attracted him?
if he was running out of daylight, he may have decided to pull off on a random back road to camp for the night,...
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I can't remember, did he have a cell phone and did the US carrier ever provide any type of triangulation?
Had Gary been out on this road in the past?
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Here is a quote from an earlier Nomad post:
posted on 9-12-2013 at 07:48 AM Reply With Quote Report Post to Administrator
My name is Jenn Patton, I am Dave and Molly's daughter. I am sending you a couple pictures of my Uncle Gary (Patton) and his vehicle that he is
driving. He hasn't been heard from since last Wednesday when he arrived at Jardines Hotel in San Quintin.. He is driving a 2002 Toyota 4 Runner,
Silver with a heavy duty roof rack.. He mentioned to my dad that he wanted to go see the whale sharks in Bahia de los Angeles.
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THe key to this might be as to where the turnoff begins where Gary's car was found on the main road towards Catavina and if there are any gas stations
or convenience stores in that area.
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No gas stations or convenience stores in that area. Only to the south at Catavina. There's nothing at the turnoff except a constantly over flowing
trash can.
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what about north of that area Ateo? Towards San Quintin?
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It was posted that an employee at Jardines said that Gary told them he would be back at Jardines in about three days. As far as his plans on where he
was going is not known.
All gas stations, convenience stores and hotels in and around Catavina, El Rosario, as well as Bahia de Los Angeles were contacted by Bajaguy, myself
and Brian. Flyers were given to employees as well as taped to the front windows of these facilities. The police in Catavina were also contacted and
flyers handed out.
Gary did not go any further south than Catavina on the highway.
During our search of this area last October my thoughts were that Gary probably did take a turn between BOLA and El Rosario and headed towards the
ocean and it looks like I was right. The reason I did not search these beach camps is that there are to many of them and were very difficult to get to
so we inundated the hwy. stores and gas stations and talked with anyone available in this area to get the word out and nothing-No phone calls or
replies.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
what about north of that area Ateo? Towards San Quintin? |
south of El Rosario to the turnoff is pretty much desert. No gas stations or stores south of El Rosario till you hit Catavina.
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He might have stopped to use the rest room in El Rosario, picked up a hitchhiker and started talking with him and was then ambushed. Were there signs
put up in El Rosario that Gary was missing?
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Dan why would Gary tell his son he was headed to BOLA to take pictures of whales. There was no fishing equipment in the car and from what I read he
was not an avid fisherman. As I said before if he wanted to go fishing SQ would be the best place for that. The key to this whole mystery Dan is the
camera. That is my mind clinches the destination of BOLA to take pictures of whales. | Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
It was posted that an employee at Jardines said that Gary told them he would be back at Jardines in about three days. As far as his plans on where he
was going is not known.
All gas stations, convenience stores and hotels in and around Catavina, El Rosario, as well as Bahia de Los Angeles were contacted by Bajaguy, myself
and Brian. Flyers were given to employees as well as taped to the front windows of these facilities. The police in Catavina were also contacted and
flyers handed out.
Gary did not go any further south than Catavina on the highway.
During our search of this area last October my thoughts were that Gary probably did take a turn between BOLA and El Rosario and headed towards the
ocean and it looks like I was right. The reason I did not search these beach camps is that there are to many of them and were very difficult to get to
so we inundated the hwy. stores and gas stations and talked with anyone available in this area to get the word out and nothing-No phone calls or
replies. |
[Edited on 4-8-2014 by EnsenadaDr]
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Janene, Did you read my last post?
406 corrected miles to town of Catavina from Orange County (Westminister)
+62 estimated 100k from hwy 1 and tow back
from discovery location & ranch.
468 Known miles
733 Total miles since service, until stored at
Catavina Police Station
- 468 Known miles
265 "NEW" Unaccounted miles. But he had those 6 days to drive locally
before leaving for Baja.
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He might have gone to the coast from El Rosario, camped out there for any amount of time, putting very few miles on the truck, and was heading BACK to
hwy 1 when he got stuck. Of course, just another guess.
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How about the ambusher taking a joy ride including getting rid of evidence and figuring out where to dump the car? | Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
Janene, Did you read my last post?
406 corrected miles to town of Catavina from Orange County (Westminister)
+62 estimated 100k from hwy 1 and tow back
from discovery location & ranch.
468 Known miles
733 Total miles since service, until stored at
Catavina Police Station
- 468 Known miles
265 "NEW" Unaccounted miles. But he had those 6 days to drive locally
before leaving for Baja. |
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Slow down Janene. I don't know what taking photos of whales and Gary fishing has to do with one another and don't know if there was any fishing
equipment was with Gary. I know that San Quintin is a great fishing location but so are a lot of others south of SQ.
Apparently Gary had been to BOLA before and wanted to see the whales and that is what he told his family but I really don't understand your question
as to why he would tell his son that…..
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Something must have gone very bad for him. Or, he just possibly wanted to disappear? Either way, we can all speculate, gesticulate, or wring our
hands. My condolences to his family.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by msteve1014
He might have gone to the coast from El Rosario, camped out there for any amount of time, putting very few miles on the truck, and was heading BACK to
hwy 1 when he got stuck. Of course, just another guess. |
there ya go, any fliers make it out to punta baja?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Wasn't it assumed that Gary was headed to Bahia Los Angeles from Las Jardines?
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It's only been mentioned that he indicated an interest.
He went to the effort of lugging a surfboard (in the passenger compartment no less), a boogie board, and a wetsuit. There ain't no surf in BOLA, and
he indicated to the people at Jardines he was returning in 3 days.
The simplest explanation is always the most likely.
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He was going to take pictures of whale sharks and be back in three days as he told the hotel, by the 8th. Five hours to BOLA from an early morning
departure, arrives in BOLA with still plenty of time to the rest of the day to take pictures, stay one day, and get back to San Quintin by the 8th.
He got ambushed somewhere between San Quintin and the turnoff. He never made it to Catavina. This was less than two hours into his departure. If he
was headed to the coast from San Quintin which makes no sense, unless he wanted to fish. But the man had a camera in his car and told his son he
wanted to go to BOLA to take pictures of whales. That was where he was headed in my opinion until he met his unfortunate fate.
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Then why would you leave San Quintin when you have access to surf and fishing to drive an hour south? | Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Wasn't it assumed that Gary was headed to Bahia Los Angeles from Las Jardines?
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It's only been mentioned that he indicated an interest.
He went to the effort of lugging a surfboard (in the passenger compartment no less), a boogie board, and a wetsuit. There ain't no surf in BOLA, and
he indicated to the people at Jardines he was returning in 3 days.
The simplest explanation is always the most likely.
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