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capt. mike
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Right on Phil!!!!!
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Freedom and free enterprise rock!!!!
BTW - still looking for that list?
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
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jrbaja
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I get the impression
that some on here have no concept of preserving some of the natural environments on the planet. This is beyond my comprehension!
How many people pay you to fly over lost angeles or orange county Mike? And how many are going to pay you to fly over Baja when it looks just like
those places?
And on top of that, Baja is one of the most unspoiled pieces of land on the planet. There's hardly any unspoiled places left. And Baja is one of the
most unique.
I'm starting to think that you have probably not seen much of it besides the inside of your trailer or hammered in serenidad.
That is the only possible explanation I can think of for such an uncaring, selfish, and highly destructive attitude.
Is there a picture of you if I look up "gringo" in the encyclopedia?
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capt. mike
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come on JR! can't you see that it's fun
to get you and "wilderone" so riled up?
Ok - i'll back off, you're obviously way too sensitive about all this. Trust me, because i do fly ALL OVER BAJA i can tell and other ground pounders
there is WAY more of the peninsula raw and pristine than you can concepualize. Development hasn't made the slightest dent buddy. Only concentrated in
a few areas mostly. And those will continue minor growth due to DEMAND! when demand and market forces dictate, they will level off.
So don't lose any sleep over it 'cause baja will survive for eons as a remote desert, much of it as a preserve due to lack of demand or interest from
the evil land rapers and their clientel.
  
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FrankO
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Hey Grover
Dude, the pics you posted don't belong on this post.
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JZ
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Pictures
Thinking the same thing!
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Hi guys, someone had made the point that there is lots of undeveloped land on the peninsula. Some places are special and perhaps they ought to be
preserved or protected regardless of wether other places are or are not developed. Jobs paying a living wage and going to locals is defintely a
strong reason to go ahead with a project, but MAYBE not enough by itself to justify a project.
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JZ
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Thanks! Better for the off-topic posts
| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
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rogerj1
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Extremism
I'm hearing that there's only one side to this story and if you disagree with it, well then there is something wrong with you. The fact that there are
many people who are very comfortable with the opposite side of the argument is irrelevant. There's no interest in finding a middle ground, but then
that would be boring. There's only the drama of the extreme and the insightfulness the person on the extreme possesses. Oh well, I guess that's how
politics works.
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wilderone
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What utter nonsense. You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. The facts speak for themselves; if you have a dispute with any of the facts,
I'd like to hear them, otherwise, your rhetoric rings hollow.
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capn.sharky
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Middle Ground?
Roger---what would be middle ground in this situation? This is a hugh project that definately will have an enviornmental impact on this area. I lean
towards being against such a large project (except for the possibilities that my neighbors will make some money to feed their families). On the other
hand, it is far enough out of Loreto so as not to have a visual impact on the people. Actually, I lean against any project that involves foreigners
living grouped together in Mexico. I think it is rude to the native Mexicans and feeds their conception that we think we are above them. I also
don't see this project being finished up as promised to the locals. It won't be the first time the Loreto Mexican people have been conned. They are
used to it.
If there is no fishing in heaven, I am not going
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rogerj1
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Middle Ground?
Compromise. Meet somewhere in the middle. Since none of us have any pull or sway, as far as I know, this is somewhat irrelevant, yet for the sake of
argument, isn't that how things get accomplished? It sure doesn't happen by taking a hard position and lobbing bombs at anyone who dares disagree with
you.
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jrbaja
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Lobbing Bombs
Roger, Mike and I hurl bombs at each other regularly on this topic. He feels as strongly about his wrong ideas as I do about my right ones.
hahahahahaha
But actually, this has been a rather mild and civilized thread compared to some.
Ain't no thing but a chicken wing as they say in some circles.
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JZ
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The day they have marina's in...
...Bahia de Los Angeles, Conception, and Loreto will be a great day! And San Carlos and LA PAZ as starting, stopping points.
Wow. Wouldn't that be something! It's probabable, but not for a long time.
[Edited on 8-4-2004 by JZ]
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capt. mike
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well JR, ol' buddy......
i am glad we can respectfully disagree on some things (you're still way off base!) but still be friends i hope.
Hey, at least i didn't call you a pendejo! HA HA!!!
It may be moot for me as an interest 'cause i'm workin' now on something that will put 95% of my spare time, energy and enthusiasm towards something
on the mainland down old San Carlos way......24 years putting around baja, time for some fresh scenery.
but i'll still be a baja fan and check in on the happenings from time to time here, i just don't care much to get involved on the debates. I 'll just
watch the progress....slow or fast, mainly slowwwwww.........
formerly Ordained in Rev. Ewing\'s Church by Mail - busted on tax fraud.......
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jrbaja
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Baja is better
Glad to see you are using your ideas elsewhere Mike. This peninsula is too narrow for that kind of stuff.
But, you'll be back to Baja. Ain't no other place like it!
And we will be gettin hammered in the Serenidad together you development minded pendejo.
Other than that, yer OK in my books!
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elizabeth
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I was just reading the 1971 Sunset Travel Guide to Baja California...and ran across this description of Nopolo...
"About 7 miles after the road from Loreto joins the main highway you come to the hidden cove of Nopolo. Herons and egrets stand motionless in the
mangrove estero you pass on the way in. The cove itself is small and secluded, with a white crescent beach which ends at a rocky section of tidepools
and large sea caves. It is a good place for swimming, crabbing, diving for scallops, or just fishwatching. When the tide is low, you can stand on
the tidepool shelf and watch a colorful array of troical fish in the underwater gardens."
[Edited on 8-14-2004 by elizabeth]
[Edited on 8-14-2004 by elizabeth]
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jrbaja
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And now
you can try and sneak across the golf course and bridge, maybe make it to the beach and tidepools, before being escorted out. Viva Baja
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Skeet/Loreto
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Beth
A good description of how it Was in 1971.
Just south of there the Tourist would not Pick up their own Trash on the Beach at Esconida.
I have stood in waist High Water at Ensenada Blanc ,cast and caught 40 lb. Dorado.
An American wass fishing in Waist High Water at the inlet to Escondida when he hooked a large Doroda, got a Birdsnest in his Reel and Promptly Died of
a Massive Heart Attack.
A group of Asians where catching yellowtail and Dorado off the Beach, canning it and taking it to the States for Sale.Cases and Cases.
Things Change.
Skeet/Loreto
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David K
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Nopolo in Summer of 1973
Was great with a mask and snorkle... floated over the sting rays in the sand to the rocks by the island. It was recently connected to the beach by a
man made sand isthmus. I remember feeding the colorful fish (they loved tortillas). Some palapas were put up just north for the future resort. In '73
we saw yellowtail being caught from the Puerto Escondido pier... unreal! We camped at Puerto/ Bahia Escondido on our '76 trip... right on the water...
was great. Visited Ligui and thought the beach (east of the mission) was very inviting... looked very tropical. Missed driving south from the mission
site to view Ensenada Blanca. Didn't see that until my last trip to Sur (12/2001)... Wow what a view.
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bajalera
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What, DK, you haven't been down here since 2001? You really ought to try to make it to our Oct? Nov? Dec? party and get in touch with the Sur.
Lee
\"Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest never happen at all. The conscientious historian will correct these defects.\" -
Mark Twain
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