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k1w1
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sigh
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"Fuel the Fire and Fan the Flames". |
"Strike the Unfriendlies @ 22:00!! Secure all weapons! Perimeter enforcement ultimate objective!! ooooohraaaah!!"
wank wank.
it's clowns like this that make it so much more work for us 'friendlies'. 2 steps forward, 1 step back.
Thank goodness for evolution!! (can't wait for alot of this attitude to die off!) phew
[Edited on 11-26-2006 by k1w1]
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Barry A.
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K1w1 You have a longgggggggggg wait----ain't going to happen as long as there are "sheep dogs" left to protect the "sheep. Barry
| Quote: | Originally posted by k1w1
| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
"Fuel the Fire and Fan the Flames". |
"Strike the Unfriendlies @ 22:00!! Secure all weapons! Perimeter enforcement ultimate objective!! ooooohraaaah!!"
wank wank.
it's clowns like this that make it so much more work for us 'friendlies'. 2 steps forward, 1 step back.
Thank goodness for evolution!! (can't wait for alot of this attitude to die off!) phew
[Edited on 11-26-2006 by k1w1] |
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Thanks for the Sunday a.m. Chuckle, once again proving that Lefties are always good for a laugh.
As glad as you profess to be that MY attitude might someday be on the wane, I can't begin to describe how glad I would be for your type to see defeat
and disappointment. At least, I can't describe it here in a moderated environment.
"Working to Eradicate the Contagion of Liberalism One Day at a Time". |
I think I keep seeing a blend of liberalism, conservatism, and radicalism here. And I can't tell the difference. On the surface, MrBillM is
absolutely on the mark. Neither Dems or Repubs will probably do much in the next 2 years. And at that time, I don't know what the solution will
be. Obviously it hasn't been thought through yet. It seems like things will get alot worse before they get better. If that's what it takes, I'm
in favor of that -- and the change that'll follow.
Let's consider attacking the issues here and not each other. Differing points off view challenging each other is healthy. Eh?
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MrBillM
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Out of the Oven
Me ? Anybody who thinks that I would crawl into an oven or even feel disheartened because of ANYTHING someone else would say, clearly
doesn't understand the situation or ME ! Say whatever you like, it rolls off just like Sewage and cleans up easily.
My views on the Illegal immigration problems have been clearly defined in the past and aren't based upon any Racist dislike of those
immigrants. I've known and lived among Hispanics and other races or ethnic groups in the U.S. since I was a small child and have counted many among
my friends. On a personal basis, I can sympathize with their goals and those illegals that I have known in the past have been pretty good people.
However, the massive influx of these illegals have and will create an economic drag on the U.S. and, for the sake of those who were born in and live
legally in the U.S., deserve the protection of U.S. laws.
What America MUST do is FIRST: Secure the border and cut the additional illegal immigrants down to a trickle. Once that is done, a serious debate
can take place regarding HOW many immigrants the U.S. NEEDS to do those jobs that Americans can't or won't and devise a Guest Worker plan that can
address that need. It is clear that we cannot simply get rid of the 12 million or more already in the U.S., but we CAN begin to firmly enforce the
laws and hold Employers accountable for their hiring processes, including sending them to prison when applicable.
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Barry A.
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MrBill------------
--------that last post of yours NAILED IT!!!!!
You said here what I have been trying to say all along.
Thank you.
Barry
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jerry
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just sucuring the border be it (electronic or cement and steel)will take care of a good %of the people going back and forth once they go back to
mexico they wont be able to get back in the states unless they deal with the immagration laws its a jump start in the right direction good fences make
good naibors theres going to be resentment but it will all work out for most, and most is what this republic is all about the people have spoken lets
see it the politions were listening??
jerry and judi
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Jeezo, Bill ------
Didn't mean to wake you up, besides, we're on the same page......Remember?
At least one of the pages.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: My concern isn't with internal U.S. dishevelment which comes from illegal invasion. My problem comes
from the Mexican attitude which says in so many ways that we dont matter when it comes to their breaking our laws. Their leaders act as though it is
an insult to even approach the subject. That a fence is racist.
Bill .... Entertain this thought, that if the border were under complete control, the internal mayhem would disolve in time. Our government will not
curtail business from making utmost profit and pay utmost tax so business would slowly adjust as the cheap labor pool declines. It wont happen
overnight but, we can't relive the removals of the past.
I agree with you, Bill, on most points but when you start holding your comb over your upper lip, I step back and observe.
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Racism is behind most of the current, vehement attitudes against illegal immigrants. To deny it doesn't make it not so. Witness the
fence, the minutemen movement along the borders and the ratcheting up of the Republican rhetoric before the election. The fence is a dumb idea and the
inconvenient detour it would affect, and needless loss of life does not justify the cost. The Republicans were just playing to their (lost) base.
Racism is nothing new when it comes to immigration. Look at the experience of African Americans, Irish, Italians. They were all persecuted. People of
color are still persecuted. We are racist!
Of course, illegal immigration is a problem. It is a drain on our public services and also, poverty creates more crimes of opportunity. Poverty exists
on both sides of the border. Impoverished conditions in Mexico and Central America cause its people to cross our borders illegally. That is the human
condition and people will do whatever it takes to survive. There are more opportunities here and less where they came from.
My point is, economics is the driver. Those who hate will use this situation as an excuse to vent their hostility. Fences, guns and
attitudes will not stop the illegal immigration tide. Has it yet? Is it better or worse now than ever?
What needs to be done is to regulate the employers and the jobs, with penalties for non-compliance. The minimum wage needs to be raised. The jobs are
there and need to be filled. The latino work ethic is far superior to that of our own, contrary to the stereotype of the Mexican lazing in the sun
under a sombrero.
Economics will be the fix to the problem. There are only so many jobs that exist. They need to be filled by legal, documented immigrants in a
guest-worker program or by whoever wants the jobs. If all the jobs are filled legally, why would future immigrants come here? There would be nothing
here for them.
Finally, the Mexican Government needs to do more to create opportunities in that country and to also cooperate more fully with our government. We need
to try harder to create closer diplomatic relations with Mexico and work harder to create a more agreeable, attitudinal atmosphere for mutual
cooperation and respect. The groundwork has been laid to improve these conditions of poverty and diplomacy as a result of our respective elections.
Calderon's feet are held to the fire by his contentious win and the unrest Obrador has brought into the arena. Calderon has to do more for the poor
than any of his predecessors.
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DENNIS
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Are the many Mexican-Americans who say the flood of illegals from Mexico is wrong and has to be stopped racist?
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There is a simple solution to this much argued about situation. If there are no employers there won't be people coming looking for work.
Make it a no-bail offense with mandatory jail time - no probation - for the foreman, division manager, genera manager and CEO of any company that has
a illegal working. When some of the people in suits start going to jail, the jobs will go and so will the people looking for them.
Of course this goes against the grain for most companies - why should they be held responsible for the situation they promote?
As for the argument that the illegals pay no SS or taxes, doesn't the law require the employer to make deductions for them and do the remitting?
Who has the bigger responsibility here, the employer or the employee?
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DENNIS
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The government has the largest responsibility and ignores it with sickening impunity. Now, there's a CEO who should be incarcerated.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Are the many Mexican-Americans who say the flood of illegals from Mexico is wrong and has to be stopped racist? |
Maybe not many, but they are "pocho" and don't identify with Mexican nationals, and vice versa. They are Americans and feel the burden on our social
and medical services and they see the (additional) crime that the illegals bring with them.
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MrBillM
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Tilting at Liberals
Success ? Who Knows or Cares how the Lefties assess our efforts ?
If you're fighting the good fight and right is on your side, you don't quit or become discouraged simply because the efforts don't
Appear to be succeeding. Quitters NEVER win.
If we had quit when JFK was elected (and LBJ), we never would have seen RMN elected and re-elected. If we had quit after Carter, we would never have
seen RWR elected and re-elected. If we had quit after Clinton, we never would have seen GWB elected and re-elected. Politics, like life itself,
flows in cycles and the Conservatives will see victory again. In the meantime, we have to deal with the toxic waste that is Liberalism with the same
efforts we'd deal with any other life-threatening contagion.
Whatever faults or shortcomings our side may have evidenced, I Thank God that the Presidency didn't include names like Stevenson, Humphrey, McGovern,
Dukakis, Gore and Kerry. Whatever disappointment I may have had in RMN's truncated second-term, I know that HH or GM would have been a true disaster.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Success ? Who Knows or Cares how the Lefties assess our efforts ?
Whatever faults or shortcomings our side may have evidenced, I Thank God that the Presidency didn't include names like Stevenson, Humphrey, McGovern,
Dukakis, Gore and Kerry. Whatever disappointment I may have had in RMN's truncated second-term, I know that HH or GM would have been a true disaster.
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Drivel.
Focus on the issues and not debating the biggest losers to be in office. Every President the US has ever elected has had flaws. The most
patheticly flawed Pres had to be Nixon. He did some good then he sniveled off like the lying weasel he was.
Go ahead and dismiss the ignorance Bush displayed putting the US at war and MARINES IN HARM'S WAY as ho hum politics.
It's sad your political views come across as black and white -- just the way the born-again evangelical right wing nut case christian's come across.
Guess the conservative's get the prize for being tough on war, though. You guys don't have a clue. Saber rattlers one and all. Honor?
Integrity? You REALLY don't have a clue.
As for me? I registered Democrat, voted for Kerry -- let's talk about how the Republicans disgraced EVERY VET WHO EVER SAW ACTION by attempting to
disgrace Kerry's war record! Don't ever plan to vote again. I just call it like I see it. Dwiddle dum and Dwiddle dee. You all deserve each
other. The US sucks because of marooons who divide this country. Blame everyone but yourself. Blame the yuppies and Boomers. Don't blame
your fricking bigotted, narrow minded, short sighted conservative values. Family values? Give it a rest.
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Are you sure you dont want to tell us how you feel, Lee?
Dont let Bill get to you. He only calls himself conservative because there isn't a word for being on the right of Robert Welch. He can't see the
"toxic waste" in the White House today because he doesn't want to.
Im as conservative as anybody but Im not a fascist.
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DENNIS
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Now Bill... not to change the subject but, wouldn't one want to be on the leward side of of an island when the wind comes up as opposed to being on
the windward side and having your ass blown apart?
Or is this a case of Republicans changeing the weather as well as the rest of the world because God told them to do that?
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On the the "lee side " is on the side protected from the wind.
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MrBillM
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Dumb de Dumb Dumb times two.
Although there might well be persons on this board who have sailed more than I have, my own experience goes back many years and I have sailed by own
and charter boats on the Pacific, Sea of Cortez and the Caribbean quite a bit. In addition, as a member of the Coast Guard Auxiliary at one time, I
taught classes on Basic Seamanship and Coastal Navigation. Nonetheless, "Lee Shore" is far more elementary than that and is covered in EVERY book
I've ever seen on sailing and seamanship. To WIT:
The terms lee shore and weather shore describe a stretch of shoreline with respect to the wind direction, and is of particular importance when
sailing. The lee shore, named because it is to the leeward side of an approaching boat, has the wind blowing towards the shore. A windward shore,
named because it is to the windward side of an approaching boat, has the wind blowing away from the shore. A given stretch of shoreline can be lee or
windward depending on the current wind direction, but areas with consistent winds, such as the trade winds, have shores that are predominantly one or
the other.
Lee shore can also refer to the shore onto which waves break; often this will be the same as the first definition, since waves and wind often move in
similar directions. Surf can also push watercraft into the shore, so the issues in dealing with such a lee shore are similar.
Dangers of a lee shore
Lee shores are dangerous to watercraft because, if left to drift, they will be pushed into shore by the wind, possibly running aground. Sailboats are
particularly susceptible to this, as even under sail they are limited to the angle they can travel into the wind. Square riged craft, for instance,
can point only slightly to windward, and will have difficulty launching from a lee shore and easily be trapped in a cove of a lee shore.
The beach of a lee shore in a storm is also at a significantly higher risk due to the undiminished effects of the wind and waves. A windward shore
will have significantly lower waves and slower winds, as they will have been slowed by passage over the land. A windward shore is still subject to
storm surge.
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Keep digging, though, the hole just keeps getting deeper.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Are you sure you dont want to tell us how you feel, Lee?
Dont let Bill get to you. He only calls himself conservative because there isn't a word for being on the right of Robert Welch. He can't see the
"toxic waste" in the White House today because he doesn't want to.
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OK Dennis. Got a chuckle here. I don't mind speaking up to drivel though.
Maybe I should know this, call me uneducated, but who is Robert Welch?
And I think you're taking fascism to a new low. On this board?
And, no, I can't be gotten to by sheep who follow Bush. It's their incessant whinning that makes me scratch my head. Sore losers = poor form.
Accept it.
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Ok guys Mr Bill just happens to be right for the first time of his life, do not try to correct him on sailing terms. From someone who can call and
raise on his sailing experience.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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