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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 08:03 PM


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Why not start in the States?

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Well Skeets, that's a good suggestion.
I live in Costa Mesa, Ca. I think I live in one of the greatest places in the world. I'm super healthy and have a great job and I attribute that to this area.
But at the same time I really don't like it here because of the volumn of people.
To me this area is already ruined. What can I really do? 1 man crushed by millions. I spend alot of my time hiding like a mouse in a hole. All I really want to do is escape like you did to my own Rancho Sunrisa.
But Baja is a different story. It's not overrun with people yet. And there is a chance to make a difference and do it right this time.
Is that so hard for you to understand. I don't believe the local natives have the right to destroy the place anymore than the devolopers from Newport Beach do. Baja belongs to everyone who loves it in it's natural state. That natural state needs to be preserved and protected. And that includes each and every creature including rattle snakes.
Sure we can harvest some fish but it must be done carefully and in a sustainable manner. Error to the safe side.
Otherwise all your local native fishing buddies will end up as rock farmers or waiters. If they're lucky.

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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 08:37 PM


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How strange-------I did not see anybody "crap on those that do give a damn", as Don says. I just saw folks that wondered why Green Peace did not protest this long ago, and it looks like maybe they did.

And also wondered why a local did not obey the law.

I have a hunch that EVERYBODY on this board would like to see things done in a much more environmentally friendly way.

End of story, it seems to me.


Barry, you are on the wrong thread. This is the "illegal netting" thread, not the "Greenpeace/Puerto Los Cabos" thread.

End of story.




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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 08:50 PM


Thanks, Don-----but I realize that. The "Puerto" thread disappeared, so I thought that this was a semi-related thread, with many of the same participants, so thought I would just chime in.

I still think that basically we all really agree on most of the Baja related Environmental issues, but that the methods used to make the public aware are what is questioned.

Also, the issue of local folks thinking that they are above the law to the detriment of everybody (everything?) else---------I have a real problem with that concept, even tho they may not understand what they are doing.

Thanks for your response, and trying to keep me out of trouble----I appreciate that. :yes:
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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 09:46 PM


Skeets ----- Thanks for the bio.............. I appreciate that.

You'll have to wait till tomorrow for my blistering reply. I've had it for today.
Hasta mañana.
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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 11:06 PM


dennis i never mentioned the word teachers you must be hung up on yourself again?? lol



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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 11:26 PM


sharks
in oregon all the while the people who should know whats going on with the fish (fish and game) were blaming the local harvest they turned there heads the other way as factory ships off shore gobbelled up all the fish everyone from the loggers to the fisherman were blamed as the politics sold out to the highs bidders the greenys joined right in with their hands out to save us all from ourselves and in truth became part of the problem
then the spotted owl the greeny used to fill there coffers with donations the whole thing was trumped up only to stop logging so the city dwellers would donate more bucks theres no danger to the spotted owl they live in barns and second growth
so now the state doesnt get much timber taxes for there schools and the greenys march on to another made up cause feeding on the ignorent




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[*] posted on 5-11-2007 at 11:55 PM
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Fish & Game has their head up their____. They have never got it right except for maybe some salmon restoration projects which probably ruined the gene pool. Silting-in of bays and estuaries from decades of bad runoff practices by timber companies took it's toll years ago. Salmon are affected by many different aspects of the environment in their long distance spawn cycle. I would offer that mistakes made have been fodder for the timber cos and the F&G Certain elements have been addressed particularily in stream enhancement and shade buffers. WE can learn how to manage stuff but the bueracracy comes first I fear. So I feel a bit of personal responsibility to acknowledge Bajas diversity and precious features and fragile areas. Why wouldn't I kill and keep a delicious shark. Why should I not feel passionate about giving a damn. Because I want it to last, pray tell.



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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 06:01 AM


Dennis: While you are resting: Look up and tell me about the Deer Debackle. The Aramdillo Debackle:

O yes , Protect the Deer from the Hunters. Save the Deer!!
There were 43 Deer in my front yard yesterday, some very small, from lack of Proper Breeding due to their Protection!

Dennis:
Who are you trying to SAVE everything For???
Why Future Generations???

It seems to me that the Do Gooders are trying to act Like God with no idea of Faith Hope and Charity.

Why not work on the People? They are the ones that will grow up to take care of themselves. Good , Bad , or Indeffrent!

You cannot Legistate "Morallity".

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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 07:53 AM


That's another good one, Skeet -----

You can't legislate morality but it's OK to legislate mortality.

What do you think, Skeet? Isn't legislating mortality a moral issue?

Just curious ------- Why don't you put up a fence? Or, just go out there and bludgeon Bambi with an ax handle if things like that don't bother you.
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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 08:04 AM


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education of the mexican people showing them how they can live in socity in harmany and keep there pride will work by example this is not going to happen over night and its not going to happen by burning thier fish nets




Jerry ---- Right on. You didn't say "teacher." But, as you can see above, you clearly implied it.
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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 10:49 AM


dennis again nothing is clear to you your doing the inplying not me
i said show by example not teach
i can see by your posts you think teach is driving it in thier heads and if they dont do as you tell them then resort to violents against them
seems the teacher need some education of his own??




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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 11:27 AM


OK Jerry, you're right. I hadn't realized the difference between "show by example" and "teach" but, there it is. Plain as day.
See Jerry? Now you're the teacher. Thanks.
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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 11:31 AM


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Anybody ever read about the Tragedy of the Commons?


No need to read it when you're paddling through it daily.




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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 12:13 PM


I kiped the slogan from a painting I had by some guy who lived at Baja Tradewinds in the 70s...
Keep it rollin'...




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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 12:22 PM
Only one more thing to say...


FRICKIN' NETS!!#@!*#



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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 12:24 PM


What ho!

That'd be him.
My friend George was a neighbor, and a piece of his found its way to me.
Wish i still had it.
Always dug the sentiment of the tagline.

Thanks for the link.
And Duncan Hunter is not welcome at my camp fire.




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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 12:30 PM


If Duncan Hunter had any idea how deadly fishing nets are, he would have them strung the length of the US/MEX border.
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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 12:38 PM


Valve stems, mijo.
Valve stems.




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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 01:08 PM


If the illegal net situation isn't brought under control the inshore fisheries will be wiped out with the exception of some reef fish. Then they'll move offshore.:no:
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[*] posted on 5-12-2007 at 04:34 PM


"IF"

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