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JESSE
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Its funny, only 26 deaths have actually been partially confirmed as swine flu deaths in all of Mexico. Of those, only 7 are 100% positive. This whole
thing is going to end up being a huge exageration. I am willing to bet on it.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Its funny, only 26 deaths have actually been partially confirmed as swine flu deaths in all of Mexico. Of those, only 7 are 100% positive. This whole
thing is going to end up being a huge exageration. I am willing to bet on it. |
I've seen the numbers somewhat higher. But in all due respect Jesse, I don't think those dead people are exagerating.
It's good if governments are over-reacting a bit. What if they weren't and this virus was still killing people.
So hopefully we can all laugh about this in a week or two.
Except for the muete. They ain't laughing.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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JESSE
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Its funny, only 26 deaths have actually been partially confirmed as swine flu deaths in all of Mexico. Of those, only 7 are 100% positive. This whole
thing is going to end up being a huge exageration. I am willing to bet on it. |
I've seen the numbers somewhat higher. But in all due respect Jesse, I don't think those dead people are exagerating.
It's good if governments are over-reacting a bit. What if they weren't and this virus was still killing people.
So hopefully we can all laugh about this in a week or two.
Except for the muete. They ain't laughing. |
I feel for those people, but considering the actual death rate, i say this is no worst than regular flu.
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
| Quote: | Originally posted by JESSE
Its funny, only 26 deaths have actually been partially confirmed as swine flu deaths in all of Mexico. Of those, only 7 are 100% positive. This whole
thing is going to end up being a huge exageration. I am willing to bet on it. |
I've seen the numbers somewhat higher. But in all due respect Jesse, I don't think those dead people are exagerating.
It's good if governments are over-reacting a bit. What if they weren't and this virus was still killing people.
So hopefully we can all laugh about this in a week or two.
Except for the muete. They ain't laughing. |
I feel for those people, but considering the actual death rate, i say this is no worst than regular flu. |
Jesse you are right.
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Packoderm
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Wouldn't a mask help prevent the spread of germs if the wearer of the mask sneezes or coughs? I've seen a slow motion video of a sneeze, and little
droplets go everywhere. It would seem that a mask would help contain that a bit. At this juncture, if I had to be on a crowded bus, especially in
Mexico City or Cancun, I would rather that the other passengers wore masks.
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I would agree more with Jesse if the few deaths that happen with this flu happened to the typical types of patients as the seasonal flu, but this flu
is hitting the strong and healthy which doesn't sound as benign. I hope Jesse is correct though.
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We are in GN now having passed through the southern ranches and dust storms the last day, there are ranchers on horses in the desert with masks, cars
and buses full of people with masks, many restaurants are closed, gas staion attendents have masks, everyone who works for the government is wearing
a mask even when they are alone in a ac office or in a vehicle with the windows closed. We are serious in Mexico when it comes to buen salud...
Too bad they had shut down the whole economy just to distract people from whatever other crisis they wish to avoid. Lets just say most people are more
than a bit skeptical and quite suspicious of this "crisis" and for that matter all these sudden "crisis".
See you with your mask and gloves, good luck eating breakfast!
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flyfishinPam
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Vitamin D over shots for flu prevention
http://heidilore.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/avoid-flu-shots-ta...
this portion of the link above is especially interesting for the BCS:
"Something that can explain why flu epidemics also occur both in warm and cold climates is this: During a flu epidemic, wherever it may be, the
atmosphere blocks ultraviolet B (UVB) radiation from the Sun. In the temperate zones above latitude 35 degrees North and South, the sun is at a low
enough angle in the winter that the ozone layer in the atmosphere absorbs and blocks the short-wavelength (280–315 nanometers) UVB rays. In the
tropics during the wet season, thick rain clouds block UVB rays.
Skin contains a cholesterol derivative, 7-dehydrocholesterol. UVB radiation on skin breaks open one of the carbon rings in this molecule to form
vitamin D. The activated form of vitamin D (1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D) attaches to receptors on genes that control their expression, which turn protein
production on or off. Vitamin D regulates the expression of more than 1,000 genes throughout the body. They include ones in macrophages, cells
in the immune system that, among other things, attack and destroy viruses. Vitamin D switches on genes in macrophages that make antimicrobial
peptides, antibiotics the body produces. Like antibiotics, these peptides attack and destroy bacteria; but unlike antibiotics, they also attack and
destroy viruses.
Vitamin D also expresses genes that stop macrophages from overreacting to an infection and releasing too many inflammatory agents – cytokines
– that can damage infected tissue. Vitamin D, for example, down regulates genes that produce interleukin-2 and interferon gamma, two
cytokines that prime macrophages and cytotoxic T cells to attack the body’s tissues. In the 1918–19 Spanish flu pandemic that killed 500,000
Americans, young healthy adults would wake up in the morning feeling well, start drowning in their own inflammation as the day wore on, and be dead by
midnight, as happened to my 22-year-old grandmother and my wife’s 24-year-old grandmother. Autopsies showed complete destruction of the epithelial
cells lining the respiratory tract resulting, researchers now know, from a macrophage-induced severe inflammatory reaction to the virus. In a terribly
misguided way, these victims’ own immune system attacked and killed them, not the virus, something in future pandemics vitamin D, in appropriate
doses, can prevent."
So an important point here is that we have plenty of UVB in BCS. Also if you can follow this explaination above as per how vitamin D works this can
explain its effectiveness.
Take vitamin D
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Pompano
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For what it's worth..some Baja Sur flu news in this email I just received from a La Paz business..
"Well everyone has been a little rattled by the news of this swine flu down here in Mexico. We have been closely watching the US news, Mexican news
and local Baja Sur news , thankfully my wife's mother is the head of the Red Cross for our Baja Sur state and she has been keeping us up to date daily
on the new developments here in the Baja Sur and in Mexico city.
So far there have been no reported cases in our state, everyone has been taking precautions but common sense and calm is starting to kick in after the
initial shock of hysteria provided by the media. We did pose the question to her today "is it safe to travel to baja sur"? Because many of our
clients are asking this exact question. The answer was yes, and for those of us that are here we don't need to be to nervous, our flu season is
ending in Baja Sur and we suspect that they are getting control of the virus in Mexico City. We are thankfully in a very low density state with a
very remote geographic location."
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
Like no one thinks caboron is going to spin the Vegas aspect of Baja?
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Did you mean Cabron? The similarity is interesting, que no?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Bajahowodd
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Es posible.
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flyfishinPam
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for what its worth here is a tyical e-mail to my business also tourism:
"I have no concerns about travel with this warning. There is a lot of media hype, and they have a negative spin on just about everything. There were
more people that died from the swine flu vaccine, or developed long term health ailments/conditions, then there were people who actually died from
this type of flu in the 1970’s. With the popularity of global travel, new aliments/germs are being transmitted across borders daily. So we have much
more exposure to conditions that have not been given a label or a scientific name.
I am just excited that everything is coming together, with planning only a week prior to departure. And look forward to meeting you, and experiencing
your city. It will be a memorable visit!
See you soon. XXXXX
P.S. I agree with your recommendation of taking the Vitamin D, as I have been reading how it naturally boosts the immune system."
they are scheduled to arrive on sunday
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flyfishinPam
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There is no vitamin D available in Loreto only multivitamins but here are some foods that are rich in vitamin D:
http://www.weightlossforall.com/foods-rich-vitamin-D.htm
wow looks like fish is good to eat! we eat yellowtail like 150+ days a year in fact we're eating it again today.
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Dave
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No?
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
There is no vitamin D available in Loreto |
How about sunlight? Best source of vitamin D.
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flyfishinPam
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Hi there sunlight only activates the form ov vitamin D that you take in. First you need to take it. I don't know the process but since its the UVB
that activates it it could be a z to e transition on a double carbon bond. but not sure haven't looked it up
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flyfishinPam
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cool as hell check this out
http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/othe...
it shows the cholesterol (B) ring of vitamin D3 opening as a result ov UVB exposure to the precursor for the active form vitamin D which is the result
of metabolization
[Edited on 5-1-2009 by flyfishinPam]
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Hi there sunlight only activates the form ov vitamin D that you take in. First you need to take it. |
Hmmm, doesn't look like it from the Colorado link:
"Vitamin D is thus not a true vitamin, because individuals with adequate exposure to sunlight do not require dietary supplementation."
El sol. Cheap, natural, and renewable. I'm stickin' to it!
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partially correct. technically vitamin D supplement is the form of vitamin d that is not active. so the stuff in the bottle is not the actual
vitamin d that regulates feedback mechanisms in the body, it takes the sunlight to activate it. sunlight in and of itself is not vitamin d nor does
it contain it. i am a synthetic organic chemist and stickin' to it.
[Edited on 5-1-2009 by flyfishinPam]
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
i am a synthetic organic chemist.
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I can't quite put my finger on it but...There's something strangely oxymarooonic about this. 
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cantinflas
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Thats funny
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FFP, thanks. My "universal" prevention is Vitamin C; I upped the dose.
Looks like it's time to go back to good ol' Cod liver oil...
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