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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
Bonus points for whoever can name who quote this: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and
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Keep your bonus points - Ben Franklin
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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k-rico
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"if we were to lock up everyone caught with small amounts of dope"
"everyone caught" is the operative phrase.
Fear of penalties is greatly reduced if there is no fear of getting caught.
Almost all consumption of drugs takes place on private property and it's not the type of thing reported to the police.
Selling and buying is riskier but not by much.
Just a thought.
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oldlady
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Happily, for you Packoderm, we have for the last 100 years progressed inexorably on a path of sacrificing aspects of civil liberty for what the
progressive movement calls the collective good. In this case instead of redistributing wealth we are talking about the redistribution of safety. The
primary purpose of a government is the protection of it's citizens. Mexico is having a difficult time fulfilliing that purpose. The US is at minimum
complicit and it's effectivness in protecting from drug related crime has diminished.
Curtailing liberty comes easily when you are talking property...now when it comes to safety it's an over arching concern?
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k-rico
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"and we know what kind of success the world is having addressing the production of poppies in Afghanistan"
the taliban growers are using a b-tchin irrigation system the US built so they could grow wheat or apples or such stuff
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I guess ole Ben must be turning in his grave....America is loosing freedom due to security at a rampant rate
And so are we that don't look like terrorists ....that don't have a record
But must travel thru the US
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Bajahowodd
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Home Grown, Eh?
What perplexes me is the idea that people think they have to run other people's lives. Where there is no harm done to others, who should care?
The erosion of our liberties does bother me. Army checkpoints in Baja are somehow supposed to thwart drug trafficking. Anyone know how successful
that's been. And on a similar subject, and I know I'll get flak on this, just give my e-mail address to MADD, but does anyone share my distaste for
the roadblocks aka sobriety checkpoints (sounds so much more benign) our police set up in the name of catching drunk drivers? where is the probable
cause needed to have me stop?
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Fear of penalties is greatly reduced if there is no fear of getting caught.
Almost all consumption of drugs takes place on private property and it's not the type of thing reported to the police.
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I'd start by giving dealers a free pass. Use them to identify users. It wouldn't take long before dealers were out of business. 
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Timo1
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Bite the hand that feed you???
The stakes would have to be awfully high fo the dealer
and then he's a snitch....You MUST know what happens then
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
Fear of penalties is greatly reduced if there is no fear of getting caught.
Almost all consumption of drugs takes place on private property and it's not the type of thing reported to the police.
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I'd start by giving dealers a free pass. Use them to identify users. It wouldn't take long before dealers were out of business. |
Hmmm, not bad. You need to find the dealers before you can turn them and once they were known to be narcs, they're done. Naw, that's the old police
informant game, doesn't work.
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Dave
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Doesn't need to snitch
| Quote: | Originally posted by Timo1
Bite the hand that feed you???
The stakes would have to be awfully high fo the dealer
and then he's a snitch....You MUST know what happens then |
You're not offering him a deal and he's free to sell to whomever he wants. Simply bust his customers.
Allow dealers to operate with impunity.
[Edited on 12-23-2009 by Dave]
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Timo1
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And simply get killed by HIS suppliers Dave
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Dave
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They'll make more
| Quote: | Originally posted by Timo1
And simply get killed by HIS suppliers Dave |
Trust me.
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Timo1
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I fell into your trap....I'll be more carefull next time
[Edited on 12-23-2009 by Timo1]
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Timo1
And simply get killed by HIS suppliers Dave |
Or by other users not part of the peace and love ilk when the NARC is identified.
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k-rico
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dave, you're a genius, you got what you want, druggies getting killed by other druggies
sort of like what's happening now
except it's within the user community, NOB
works for me!!
[Edited on 12-23-2009 by k-rico]
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Timo1
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A "win win" situation
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Would mandatory, random drug testing in the workplace have an inpact on recreationall drug use? Yes, it already has in companies that use it. But we
can't even get companies to verify an employees right-to-work in the USA so far.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Before you get rid of this and get rid of that, you'll have to get rid of the Bill Of Rights and the ACLU. In fact, they should be done away with
anyway. They're the biggest protectors of criminals we have.
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Show of Hands
Employer drug testing is another example of invading one's privacy without probable cause. If you have an employee who is failing in their job, it's
one thing. but the whole idea of randomness forces reliable employees to change their private lifestyle. There are companies who have meddled in the
private lives of their employees for years. things like alcohol, sexual activities, Etc. Just like the roadblock thing, if there is no apparent reason
other than the idea of intimidation, then it's wrong. Geez. i remember many years ago, working for a large corporation, being told the benefits of
Freemasonry. Implicit was the idea that one must become a Mason if they wished to succeed to higher pay grades.
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So Mote It Be Bajahowodd 
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