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Lee
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No excuses and no whining, please
| Quote: | Originally posted by Peloncito
I know exactly what a throw away license is, but could it be possible that I simply didn't care (at brief moment in time) if the officer kept my real
CDL allowing me to be on my way? |
I can tell you don't know what a throw away license is. Ask around or u2u me to find out.
| Quote: | | I am sorry that I could not help the cause in the manner you obviously would have liked, but then again, my family is a much higher priority to me
than worrying about $40+/-. |
I can tell you are still emotionally upset and were traumatized by this situation -- and are taking my comments personally.
The fact is your behavior, and anyone paying for the scams in CC, is promoting MORE scams on more people.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Iflyfish
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Response from US Consulate in Tijuana
"Thank you for your inquiry. We have received your e-mail and will make every effort to respond within two business days. If your e-mail requires
action on the part of another entity, we will forward your inquiry to the appropriate Consulate General office or U.S. Government Agency. If you
desire to speak to us by phone, please call us at 011-52-664-622-7400 and ask for the American Citizen Services Unit. Thank you."
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Iflyfish
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This is or aught to be upsetting to all of us and everyone who posted so far has concerns about this or would not be posting. It is traumatizing to be
stopped by police and shaken down. I have traveled all over Mexico for over forty years and can recall EACH incident of being extorted by police for
mordida. Mordida by police is essentially armed robbery, they have a gun, that means that is part of the equasion.
There are different strategies being proposed here. I have chosen to contact everyone that I can who might have a vested interest in this issue to see
if I can help create buzz about this.
My brother once ran a class at SF State titled "Make Your Own News". He assigned his students to make news. There are innumberable ways of making
news. You are only limited by your imagination and time that you have to devote to it.
One way of making news is to create a buzz. Shake the trees, see what falls out. Another is to contact local media and blow the whistle. Give awards
to honest cops who don't take bribes. I would encourage all of us to focus our attention on making news, shaking trees, creating buzz. This is THE
FEDERAL HIGHWAY that connects northern and southern Baja. Think. Who can you influence, inform??
Put this bone in your teeth and don't let go. Also don't let disagreements derail us, we have power if we act together. We all have the best interest
of each other in mind here, that is why people are posting ideas. We simply need to go beyond posting ideas.
Iflyfish
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Lee
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Solutions.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Put this bone in your teeth and don't let go. Also don't let disagreements derail us, we have power if we act together. We all have the best interest
of each other in mind here, that is why people are posting ideas. We simply need to go beyond posting ideas.
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Good job and what you are doing is valuable work. The results may/may not produce any positive results but it is worth the effort.
I have no choice but to drive through CC going to Todos and returning North.
An idea that would work for me, but possibly not others, is this:
When approaching CC, I plan to pull over and approach the first cop I see. (I'm assuming I"ll see one before being pulled over.)
I'll ask the cop for help in getting through his town and will gladly pay him for escorting me through town. This is a win/win to me. I"ll offer
50 - 100 pesos.
I'll also (attempt) to establish a relationship asking if I can call him if I have problems in CC.
If someone here knows where the police station is in CC, maybe I'll go there first and ask for help.
Probably sounds silly to some and the argument can be made that I (we) shouldn't have to go through this nonsense. Agreed.
I didn't make the rules of the game here, though, and when I drive through CC, I'll be forced to participate.
I don't mind paying for services and/or protection. I need all the help I can get. I do object to being scammed but then, I don't see being
pulled over as any more than a minor nuisance.
Any other solutions out there? I know the LeggyinLP is lurking this thread and would have some solutions in mind. Mr.Bill too might shed some
light on the psychology needed to run this gauntlet.
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bajaguy
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Tell them you are a reporter working on a story of local corruption directed towards american tourists by the police in CC..........
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fishabductor
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Tell them you are a reporter working on a story of local corruption directed towards american tourists by the police in CC.......... |
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Iflyfish
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BajaGuy and FishAbductor
Exactly, do it!! This is how you "make news".
I hope everyone will do at least ONE thing, we are many and they are few.
Iflyfish
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Exactly, do it!! This is how you "make news".
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Yep....You might be 46 and 47.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/11/mexicos-nati...
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Iflyfish
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Frank wrote
"Just sent off a letter to all of these.
correspondencia@sectur.gob.mx, extranjeros@profeco.gob.mx, www.fonatur.gob.mx, turismo@gbcs.gob.mx,turismoloscabos@prodigy.net.mx
That is two of us now for sure that have contacted these folks. Good one Frank!
All you have to do to accomplish what Frank has done is to copy and paste these addresses to email and send them your complaint. This extortion must
stop and together I hope we can do just that!
Iflyfish
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fishabductor
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I never said I was going to do it, I just think it was a funny reply. I have no intention of being 46 or 47.
I don't intend to drive through CC anytime soon. I leave a car in the states and one in Baja and fly these days. especially now that I have a 4mo old
son.
[Edited on 6-28-2010 by fishabductor]
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Iflyfish
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I appreciate what you are saying Dennis. We will not change the fact of mordida in Mexico, too much history. But, But, if we are able to stop one
source of it in one city, Ciudad Constitution, a road we all must travel in order to go from Northern to Southern Baja, we will have used this forum
to it's highest and best potential.
I think it was Burke who said "All that is necessary for the final triumph of evil over good is if good men do nothing". Be smart about what you do,
but do something.
I sincerly doubt that some small time cops in Ciudad Constitution will put together a hit squad to target Americans who bust their chops. If it were
the Zetas, that would be a different story. These are small town cops who are becoming more and more embolden by their success. Now is the time to
stop this, while it is small enough. Basta Yo in Ciudad Constitution.
Make news!! Get people's attention about this. This is THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY connecting north and south Baja.
Be smart about what you do, but do something! There is strength in numbers.
Iflyfish
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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Longlegsinlapaz suggestion to me
Boy few people have caught me as flat footed as you with your question :-)
Why haven't I queried a Green Angel about the federal complaint form and gotten more information and perhaps an image of a blank form...
The answer is: I haven't and I should have done so, factually a long time ago.
Thanks for skewering me. I needed that and I actually am deeply appreciative. Yours was not taken at all as criticism, it is a legitimate question
that I shall seek to answer, hopefully sooner rather than later.
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oldjack
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02-684-9715 or 02-684-9761
Green Angel phone number in MX.... I am not in MX now but maybe some Nomad could call and get the form information...
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Iflyfish
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Baja&Back posted the following. I have sent Patricia an email, this is the old Manfred's RV Park in Ciudad Constitution, one of the finest RV
Parks in all Baja, run by a wonderful woman, a real friend to Nomads. She is involved so please contact and support her efforts. Maybe she has a
recommendation for us as to how to stop the Extortion by Police in Ciudad Constiution.
"If you get ripped off by the cops in CC (or even an attempt), email your story to Patricia at Misiones RV park - npso@hotmail.com, with details.
She is peeed off & willing to go to the mayor's office to stop this."
Support Patricia, I have sent her an email telling her we would not be staying there as we had planned due to this organized extortion.
There are things YOU can do. We are many, they are few. There are those in Baja who want our business.
Iflyfish
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
Boy few people have caught me as flat footed as you with your question :-)
Why haven't I queried a Green Angel about the federal complaint form and gotten more information and perhaps an image of a blank form...
The answer is: I haven't and I should have done so, factually a long time ago.
Thanks for skewering me. I needed that and I actually am deeply appreciative. Yours was not taken at all as criticism, it is a legitimate question
that I shall seek to answer, hopefully sooner rather than later. |
Yeh, her well thought out direct comments and questions are usually quite right-on----
well, that is unless she disagrees with me.  
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bajaguy
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Mexican Federal Police
http://www.ssp.gob.mx/portalWebApp/appmanager/portal/desk?_n...
http://www.ssp.gob.mx/portalWebApp/portlets/portalSSP/Contac...
[Edited on 6-28-2010 by bajaguy]
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Iflyfish
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Excellent BajaGuy, will jump on these tomorrow. Good work!! Excellent oldjack! There are many roads to Rome. This group is nothing if not creative!
They need to hear from US!! All of us!! Every blasted one of us.!!
Make news!!
Stop the Police Extortion in Ciudad Constitution!! Viva Nomads!!
Tag, you're it!
Iflyfish
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vandenberg
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Did send a message to the federal police (Bajaguy).
Didn't quite know what heading to put it under, so I chose the Human Rights one ?
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Iflyfish
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This just in, response to my email entitled "Mordida in Ciudad Constitution"
another title might be Extortion on Federal Highway in Ciudad Constitution.
Subprocuraduría de Servicios
Dirección General de Quejas y Conciliación
Dirección de Conciliación y Programas Especiales
Departamento de Conciliación a Residentes en el Extranjero
“2010, Año de la Patria, Bicentenario del Inicio de la Independencia y Centenario del Inicio de la Revolución”
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your e-mail.
The Consumer Protection Agency, PROFECO, is part of the administrative branch of the Federal Government of Mexico. The Department of Conciliation
Services for Foreign Residents provides assistance towards trying to conciliate controversies for foreign or Mexican citizens living abroad that
acquire any product or service from a Mexican supplier.
Therefore according to the information provided we suggest you to file your claim with the competent authority since Profeco is not able to assist you
for that kind of matter.
You may file your claim with the Ministerio Público (Public Prosecutor) in the State, in the Secreatria de la Función Pública, which is Agency in
charge of surveillance the governmental employees to: contactociudadano@funcionpublica.gob.mx
or through the web site of the
General Attorney PGR to: www.pgr.gob.mx CONTACT: wmaster@pgr.gob.mx
Thank you
Sincerely,
Laura Mejía
Department of Conciliation
Services for Foreign Residents PROFECO
I sent this email:
There have been a number of reports on Baja Nomads website about how police in Ciudad Constitution are stopping US Citizens and requiring a bribe from
them by threatening them with a ticket if they do not pay them the "fine" on the spot. The following is an example of this:
"Unfortunately it's true that moto cop number 045 has hit a couple of my friends and me too. Cost me $300 pesos on the spot. This guy tried to get one
of my friends for $80 dollars but they gave him 500 pesos and said "that's it" ..then drove away . moto cop 045 did not follow them."
You will find numerous reports here on this illegal activity by the police who are supposed to be protecting tourists!
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=46302&pag...
My wife and I had planned to visit Ciudad Constitution and stay at Manfred's RV Park, one of the finest in the Baja, we also planned to eat at least
three meals in town and to hire a guide to take us to Maglena Bay to watch whales. We then planned to travel further south to La Paz, Cabo and Todos
Santos.
Now we will not be traveling past Guerro Negro unless this problem is resolved. I know of one caravan of motor homes that will also not be going thru
Ciudad Constitution because of this problem.
Please attend to this very serious matter for the sake of your country and it's important tourism industry.
Keep the buzz going, it has started and YOU can do something about this. Tag, you're it!
Iflyfish
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Iflyfish
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Good one Vandenberg, there is strength in numbers. Each one of us can do something today to address this extortion that we all face if we drive thru
Ciudad Constitution.
It takes but a few minutes to potentially do so much good. If we can beat this in Ciudad Constitution we will set a very powerful precident indeed.
Keep up the buzz Nomads! What you do is for all Nomads.
Iflyfish
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