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Marc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by Marc
To mcfez. Hey Big Fella. My son is a CHP officer in Weaverville, Ca. He is now on temp loan to the county. His job is busting pot growers and meth
labs. He also works with the Fish & Game people. He has two small children. Do you think he is going to shoot a bear illegally. Who is the dope??
Look in the mirror!!
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc] |
I sincerely hope that your son did not inherit your disposition. My son is CHP, so what!! Anyone can be a "triple-A with a gun". That piece of tin on
a peace officers chest means nothing if the person wearing it is a m oron.
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by sanquintinsince73] |
There were depredation warrants on both bears. They were both on my son's property. California game wardens were on site when he shot them..
You should have more respect for your son.
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by Marc]
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marc
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
| Quote: | Originally posted by Marc
To mcfez. Hey Big Fella. My son is a CHP officer in Weaverville, Ca. He is now on temp loan to the county. His job is busting pot growers and meth
labs. He also works with the Fish & Game people. He has two small children. Do you think he is going to shoot a bear illegally. Who is the dope??
Look in the mirror!!
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc]
[Edited on 12-4-2010 by Marc] |
I sincerely hope that your son did not inherit your disposition. My son is CHP, so what!! Anyone can be a "triple-A with a gun". That piece of tin on
a peace officers chest means nothing if the person wearing it is a m oron.
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by sanquintinsince73] |
There were depredation warrants on both bears. They were both on my son's property. California game wardens were on site when he shot them..
You should have more respect for your son.
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by Marc] |
Damn Marc, you killed my tirade. Actually I forgot the quotation marks on "My son is CHP", capisci? They are still to young to decide but if law
enforcement is an endeavor that they wish to pursue, then I shall support them 100%.....after they serve their country and go to college. Also, you
hadn't mentioned the depredation warrants in your earlier post. I still believe that there has got to be a better way to deal with wild life that
encroaches on inhabited areas (but who is encroaching on who)? These creatures of nature are just looking for some good chow.
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Marc
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If you watch the NG channel there's show about California Fish & Game officers in northern California putting their lives on the line protecting
our wild life.
My son works with one of the officers featured in that show. This same officer issued the warrants to put the two bears down and was standing as
backup for one. He says one of the bears was charging when shot. These were two separate occasions. Maybe they were sick.
At the age of 30 my son left a very nice job (working for my company) to go into law enforcement. It has been 16 years now and I worry about him every
day.
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If you watch Animal Planet channel, there was a show about a guy in Mammoth who manages the bears there. They don't kill them. With "law
enforcement" backup, they use firecrackers, smoke bombs, simply talking to them, etc. to get them into a safe habitat and out of neighborhoods. Same
type of show about the moose and bears in Alaska.
"He says one of the bears was charging when shot." Well, wouldn't you try to defend yourself when attacked?
I'm sorry, but law enforcement is so backward. Probably more so in that hick town.
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Marc
Perhaps you future post will state your facts clearly. Leaving out 90% of the story is...well...duh! For a educated guy like you...you knew better.
Something stinks here.
As far all of the conversation here on this topic.....from a simple Coyote to the bears (somehow).......I am sure that these statements, debates,
and/or conversations has opened awareness to others. This post was excellent. I thank every single one of the posters here.
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by mcfez]
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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No bear problem in north Idaho. Simple solution. It's called hunting season.
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shari
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the reason I posted this ditty were twofold...
First, I was taken by surprise at the different reactions from friends and family present at the "incident"...so I was curious to hear what other
nomadamigos's thoughts were on this subject.
Secondly, I like to share some of our antics with those less fortunate, who long for a sniff of baja life from thier snowy lanes...a day in the life
on a baja beach sort of thing....which includes coyote visits and possible feeding!! Laurieboats reports a sighting by pig beach...coyote rooting
through garbage...maybe not his last meal???
thanks everyone for the interesting responses....
Motoged...shame on you
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
If you watch Animal Planet channel, there was a show about a guy in Mammoth who manages the bears there. They don't kill them. With "law
enforcement" backup, they use firecrackers, smoke bombs, simply talking to them, etc. to get them into a safe habitat and out of neighborhoods. Same
type of show about the moose and bears in Alaska.
"He says one of the bears was charging when shot." Well, wouldn't you try to defend yourself when attacked?
I'm sorry, but law enforcement is so backward. Probably more so in that hick town. |
Mammoth a HICK TOWN??????? Now THAT is funny.
Barry
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Thanks Shari, for your story of a compassionate act. Aging wild animals have a limited threat potential and you have a clear understanding of the
risks of habituating wild animals to human dependency.
The negative reactions you have received to your compassionate acts are distressing, but seem to be a symptom of the degeneration of USA society and
civility. Empathy for fellow life forms is nearly extinct here and reason is severely threatened...replaced by selfish, hateful emotional reactions
by stressed individuals.
These are some of the reasons I love to take a break in Baja....away from the cess-pool pf political partisanship and social devolution up north.
I hope the social disintegration does not affect you or your community for a long time...but it does affect commenters here on BajaNomads..
Keep up the good work...and my best wishes to Sirena, Adrian and the baby.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
Shari,
Now you see all the trouble you have caused by feeding a sick old coyote You have
clearly upset the balance of nature and a bunch of bad stuff has ensued.
Why don't you just stick to sitting back in BA and stop upsetting everyone???
There seems to be some sensitivities ruffled....you have folks shooting bears and cougars....others shooting at the bear and cougar hunters, and you
have even managed to get Wile E. killing a poor bird
I just am so upset by all this
I think you are an insensitive anarchist just toying with the good folks of this No Mad forum....stop trolling....so we can get back to picking on DK
or complaining about la mordida surges...
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I can't stand idly by and let Sis take all the blame. My heartfelt comment about coyotes being "magnificent animals" let loose an avalanche of stuff
about bearkilling and other unpleasantries. Sorry shari, some of this is my fault 
carpe diem!
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shari
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ahhh....that's what big brothers are for!!!
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Geo_Skip
Aging wild animals have a limited threat potential-----
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I believe that this comment is sincere, and certainly compassionate, but I believe I should tell you that just the opposite is true. Again, as a Park
Ranger and Bear Management Officer in Glacier Natl. Park with some experience in wildlife management, "aging wild animals" potentially are the MOST
dangerous of all, other than a Mom protecting her offspring. Aging animals are often in pain, very grumpy, and in self-preservation mode, making the
likelyhood that they will lash out that more probable.
I too applaud what Shari did with the old coyote, and I would probably do the same under similar circumstances, but some of us feel compelled to make
sure folks understand exactly what they are doing when they aid, and cosy up to, wild animals. No anger here, no name-calling, and no "cess pool"
thoughts from me.
And yes, I agree that this has been a very interesting thread-----thank you, Shari for introducing it and providing a platform for learning
(hopefully). 
Barry
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Shari, I have to weigh in on your side as well. I usually try to avoid these controversial posts but compassion for animals is something I feel
strongly about.
Even a convicted felon, a murderer, is humanely given a last meal before execution. I think our innocent fellow creatures deserve at least as much.
Isn't there a saying about judging our humanity by how well we treat animals?
Knowledge is good. - Emil Faber
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by El Camote
Shari, I have to weigh in on your side as well. I usually try to avoid these controversial posts but compassion for animals is something I feel
strongly about.
Even a convicted felon, a murderer, is humanely given a last meal before execution. I think our innocent fellow creatures deserve at least as much.
Isn't there a saying about judging our humanity by how well we treat animals? |
Very well put!!
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sanquintinsince73
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I guess the "ayes" have it!!
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something is going on .... we have 2 coyotes that are healthy and roaming quite close to the house on a regular basis ...very unusual behaviour for
our piece of paradise.
We saw them yesterday and again today, right in the empty lots in front of our house and Rex (our Springer Spaniel) chased them a little (trust me, it
was a very HIGH speed chase on his part) but they did not seem very concerned ... they just kind of ambled off ....
Maybe there is little water in the canyons or hills nearby .... maybe they have found a food source at someone's house ... no matter what, I find it
more than a little disconcerting.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Geo_Skip
Thanks Shari, for your story of a compassionate act. Aging wild animals have a limited threat potential and you have a clear understanding of the
risks of habituating wild animals to human dependency.
The negative reactions you have received to your compassionate acts are distressing, but seem to be a symptom of the degeneration of USA society and
civility. Empathy for fellow life forms is nearly extinct here and reason is severely threatened...replaced by selfish, hateful emotional reactions
by stressed individuals.
These are some of the reasons I love to take a break in Baja....away from the cess-pool pf political partisanship and social devolution up north.
I hope the social disintegration does not affect you or your community for a long time...but it does affect commenters here on BajaNomads..
Keep up the good work...and my best wishes to Sirena, Adrian and the baby. |
This is a great post! Thank you, Geo-Skip.
You have stated what has been a consistent theme in many of my posts; civility and compassion. I am clearly in Shari's camp with this one. I have
backpacked all over the High Sierras all my life. I know and respect wildlife and live accordingly. I have NEVER carried a gun into the wilderness. I
do carry flares, just in case, but have never had to use one. I do have a 12 gauge shotgun in my house...loaded. But it is ready for any human
intruder/home invader; not for bears or coyotes.
I can no longer waste time debating "the other side". They disgust me. The ideological divide is too great and beyond repair. Get ready for more
gridlock in congress.
In recent weeks I have strived to merely state my positions on issues without debating back and forth. It is difficult to not get caught up in the
fracas. I hold my nose, bite my tongue and refrain.
I am totally comfortable in my skin and know myself well. I don't need "the other side's" rancor to validate this.
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Barry A.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
something is going on .... we have 2 coyotes that are healthy and roaming quite close to the house on a regular basis ...very unusual behaviour for
our piece of paradise.
We saw them yesterday and again today, right in the empty lots in front of our house and Rex (our Springer Spaniel) chased them a little (trust me, it
was a very HIGH speed chase on his part) but they did not seem very concerned ... they just kind of ambled off ....
Maybe there is little water in the canyons or hills nearby .... maybe they have found a food source at someone's house ... no matter what, I find it
more than a little disconcerting. |
--------not to sound like an alarmist, but they may have rabies, or just be REALLY hungry. The behavior you describe is consistant with both, but
certainly not conclusive. I would not mess with them, and I would restrain my dog.
Barry
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
something is going on .... we have 2 coyotes that are healthy and roaming quite close to the house on a regular basis ...very unusual behaviour for
our piece of paradise.
We saw them yesterday and again today, right in the empty lots in front of our house and Rex (our Springer Spaniel) chased them a little (trust me, it
was a very HIGH speed chase on his part) but they did not seem very concerned ... they just kind of ambled off ....
Maybe there is little water in the canyons or hills nearby .... maybe they have found a food source at someone's house ... no matter what, I find it
more than a little disconcerting. |
--------not to sound like an alarmist, but they may have rabies, or just be REALLY hungry. The behavior you describe is consistant with both, but
certainly not conclusive. I would not mess with them, and I would restrain my dog.
Barry |
Barry, I think that is good advice. I would be surprised however if they were very hungry--might be more inclined toward the sick. The dump for
La Bocana is not far from town and I am sure it is much like the one for Bahia Asunción that supports hundreds of coyotes. Most of them quite
healthy looking, but not all.
It really is an amazing site to just sit and watch the many, many family groups, their interaction, sometimes, fights, and the different trails they
follow to home----we find it fascinating.
There is so much food at those dumps---stuff dumped from the co-ops that they just love, and so many tiny creatures, for them to eat----the huge food
source is why there are so many---just a great place to sit and observe----while they are observing us.
And the dunes and desert around there have lots of food available.
So other than a quick run though that we have seen, I would be very wary of coyotes hanging around in La Bocana----in addition to rabies, there is a
lot of Parvo and of course mange----
So I agree with you about keeping the dog away and things like parvo, as I am sure you know, can be spread other ways than just direct contact.
What will be interesting to see is when the dumps start being managed better. This year the Reserve funded a program for the dump at Tortugas and
they hope to do more each year. That may change the food situation, and not to bring bears back into this, but I am sure you remember what happened in Yellowstone the year they made the decision to close ALL the dumps
at one time. Was not good.
[Edited on 12-5-2010 by DianaT]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaBlanca
something is going on .... we have 2 coyotes that are healthy and roaming quite close to the house on a regular basis ...very unusual behaviour for
our piece of paradise.
We saw them yesterday and again today, right in the empty lots in front of our house and Rex (our Springer Spaniel) chased them a little (trust me, it
was a very HIGH speed chase on his part) but they did not seem very concerned ... they just kind of ambled off ....
Maybe there is little water in the canyons or hills nearby .... maybe they have found a food source at someone's house ... no matter what, I find it
more than a little disconcerting. |
--------not to sound like an alarmist, but they may have rabies, or just be REALLY hungry. The behavior you describe is consistant with both, but
certainly not conclusive. I would not mess with them, and I would restrain my dog.
Barry |
Barry,
This is good advice!
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