All is not lost due to a few morans in our country. I spent a day at a funeral (cancer sux) and met up with an old high school acquaintance who I
haven't seen for 45 years. He went on to become a PhD in Hydrology and as a Wyoming native has spent decades documenting the receding glaciers in the
state. Since our Federal government has been congested by the Party of NO for the past decade and they are all climate change deniers, he faced a lot
of funding challenges for his research. The world is a bigger place however, so when he retired from academia, the international community stepped in
and has taken him to a new level. The funding now comes from Switzerland, you know, the richest country in the world. My potential contribution is
that I have backpacking photos of those glacier fields beginning in the early 1980's. Since they have a huge stake in climate change and it's basis of
human activity, they fund projects like his across the globe. It is very encouraging to know that the global community is not just aware of the
problems that are coming, they are actively documenting those problems and formulating solutions. Humans are a major force on the planet and we can
evolve our activities and our impact. He did a great job of balancing out the stupid that exists in forums like this and the stupidity that I've read
in this thread. As an informed and educated group, the world can improve.
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
If they all were shrinking, what can man do to change Nature's course, if he even should? North America was (half) covered in ice just 12,000 years
ago. Global warming had been a good thing for us all back then
DK's drought reasoning? "It's summer" And DK? I likely have spent more time on the pot in Baja than you have total...
Have you or anyone else on this board that disagrees with DK seen with your own eyes a change in sea level? If so where?
It was posted on Nomad that the sea level was expected to rise a couple of inches every hundred years. If so who has done the measurements and where.
The only proof I've seen is the pictures DK posted and many of you don't believe it.
I have a sea level rising story that I have personally experienced in laguna Ojo de Liebre. My first camp from 1988 is now completely underwater
except at low tides as is where the ejido used to have their ticket booth that was near the waters edge and is now also mostly underwater. I had to
move camps three times due to sea levels rising and the ejido has had to put new roads in twice as the old ones are underwater at high tides now. It
is a very flat area so any small rise would mean a difference of a few meters of land being underwater at high tides.
Interesting how on the east coast it seems constant but here on the west coast we notice the water getting higher.
I once heard a story that the peninsula was sinking on the west coast and rising on the gulf side???
DK's drought reasoning? "It's summer" And DK? I likely have spent more time on the pot in Baja than you have total...
Have you or anyone else on this board that disagrees with DK seen with your own eyes a change in sea level? If so where?
It was posted on Nomad that the sea level was expected to rise a couple of inches every hundred years. If so who has done the measurements and where.
The only proof I've seen is the pictures DK posted and many of you don't believe it.
I have a sea level rising story that I have personally experienced in laguna Ojo de Liebre. My first camp from 1988 is now completely underwater
except at low tides as is where the ejido used to have their ticket booth that was near the waters edge and is now also mostly underwater. I had to
move camps three times due to sea levels rising and the ejido has had to put new roads in twice as the old ones are underwater at high tides now. It
is a very flat area so any small rise would mean a difference of a few meters of land being underwater at high tides.
Interesting how on the east coast it seems constant but here on the west coast we notice the water getting higher.
I once heard a story that the peninsula was sinking on the west coast and rising on the gulf side???
Shari that is interesting. My question would be why is the sea level rising in your area and not on the SOC side, as you say, when it is the same
ocean? My original question was more to the point of someone seeing the change say at a pier for example where the fixed pilings could be marked.
Earlier this year I spent several days in Santa Monica and visited the pier there but for some reason I never thought to ask about the water level.
In you case my first thought is that the tides have changed the coast sand or something like that. But maybe the water is rising. Does it seem higher
at your hotel looking at both low and high tide?
Like the Pacific islands, if the land drops it LOOKS like the sea is rising.
Obviously, Shari has been to a place that was dry and now isn't, unless it was an unusually low tide period when the campground was built and it was
underwater before? Why aren't all the salt flats (that once had water on them to get salt there) in the Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio Lagoon area,
etc. underwater or wet at every high tide?
Maybe Baja is twisting with the Pacific side dropping and the gulf side rising?
If it is rising, then it is at the same rate of this sea level rise, otherwise, the many boat launch ramps would all be out of the water and that
1953-2016 Palm tree base would be further from the water, not the same distance from it, right?
The 'static' sea level (or such little change as it can't be obviously noticed) has been noted at multiple sites along the gulf, not just in one
place.
This is discussion, people. Not telling anyone how to think, I only want to have proof and evidence. Observation is science and science is not static
or without change when new discoveries are made. There is NO CONSENSUS of all scientists, as some who have motives or economic reasons want you to
believe. IF the sea level is rising at Point A on the planet, then why is it not higher on Point B?
Way WAY to many variables to answer that question, Chuckie. Always a real problem with earth-science.
Not really. but of course today the science community (yes, I know), announced that they have found a planet close to the nearest star that
resembles earth. Maybe God has planned for another "Ark" for us after we have ruined this planet.
Like the Pacific islands, if the land drops it LOOKS like the sea is rising.
Obviously, Shari has been to a place that was dry and now isn't, unless it was an unusually low tide period when the campground was built and it was
underwater before? Why aren't all the salt flats (that once had water on them to get salt there) in the Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio Lagoon area,
etc. underwater or wet at every high tide?
Maybe Baja is twisting with the Pacific side dropping and the gulf side rising?
If it is rising, then it is at the same rate of this sea level rise, otherwise, the many boat launch ramps would all be out of the water and that
1953-2016 Palm tree base would be further from the water, not the same distance from it, right?
The 'static' sea level (or such little change as it can't be obviously noticed) has been noted at multiple sites along the gulf, not just in one
place.
This is discussion, people. Not telling anyone how to think, I only want to have proof and evidence. Observation is science and science is not static
or without change when new discoveries are made. There is NO CONSENSUS of all scientists, as some who have motives or economic reasons want you to
believe. IF the sea level is rising at Point A on the planet, then why is it not higher on Point B?
It seems weird to me too that sea levels on our side seems to be rising. i camped at the lagoon for a couple months for many many years...so through a
couple lunar cycles so no the camp wasnt made at a low tide. As I mentioned the ejido keeps having to move the road up further to avoid flooding. It
is more noticeable there as it is sooooo flat...but there is absolutely no doubt the water level is higher than it was before.
There is no flooding of the salt ponds as they are all dyked and regulated for water intake.
Like the Pacific islands, if the land drops it LOOKS like the sea is rising.
Obviously, Shari has been to a place that was dry and now isn't, unless it was an unusually low tide period when the campground was built and it was
underwater before? Why aren't all the salt flats (that once had water on them to get salt there) in the Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio Lagoon area,
etc. underwater or wet at every high tide?
Maybe Baja is twisting with the Pacific side dropping and the gulf side rising?
If it is rising, then it is at the same rate of this sea level rise, otherwise, the many boat launch ramps would all be out of the water and that
1953-2016 Palm tree base would be further from the water, not the same distance from it, right?
The 'static' sea level (or such little change as it can't be obviously noticed) has been noted at multiple sites along the gulf, not just in one
place.
This is discussion, people. Not telling anyone how to think, I only want to have proof and evidence. Observation is science and science is not static
or without change when new discoveries are made. There is NO CONSENSUS of all scientists, as some who have motives or economic reasons want you to
believe. IF the sea level is rising at Point A on the planet, then why is it not higher on Point B?
It seems weird to me too that sea levels on our side seems to be rising. i camped at the lagoon for a couple months for many many years...so through a
couple lunar cycles so no the camp wasnt made at a low tide. As I mentioned the ejido keeps having to move the road up further to avoid flooding. It
is more noticeable there as it is sooooo flat...but there is absolutely no doubt the water level is higher than it was before.
There is no flooding of the salt ponds as they are all dyked and regulated for water intake.
I posted the same a year ago. the road from Abreojos to Bocana has changed dramatically. You are right on Shari.
Believe it of or not, the answer from the denier is that we are sinking. Got your face mask ready?
Like the Pacific islands, if the land drops it LOOKS like the sea is rising.
Obviously, Shari has been to a place that was dry and now isn't, unless it was an unusually low tide period when the campground was built and it was
underwater before? Why aren't all the salt flats (that once had water on them to get salt there) in the Guerrero Negro and San Ignacio Lagoon area,
etc. underwater or wet at every high tide?
Maybe Baja is twisting with the Pacific side dropping and the gulf side rising?
If it is rising, then it is at the same rate of this sea level rise, otherwise, the many boat launch ramps would all be out of the water and that
1953-2016 Palm tree base would be further from the water, not the same distance from it, right?
The 'static' sea level (or such little change as it can't be obviously noticed) has been noted at multiple sites along the gulf, not just in one
place.
This is discussion, people. Not telling anyone how to think, I only want to have proof and evidence. Observation is science and science is not static
or without change when new discoveries are made. There is NO CONSENSUS of all scientists, as some who have motives or economic reasons want you to
believe. IF the sea level is rising at Point A on the planet, then why is it not higher on Point B?
It seems weird to me too that sea levels on our side seems to be rising. i camped at the lagoon for a couple months for many many years...so through a
couple lunar cycles so no the camp wasnt made at a low tide. As I mentioned the ejido keeps having to move the road up further to avoid flooding. It
is more noticeable there as it is sooooo flat...but there is absolutely no doubt the water level is higher than it was before.
There is no flooding of the salt ponds as they are all dyked and regulated for water intake.
"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen.
The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back
if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Theodore Roosevelt
"You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them or to them." - Malcolm Forbes
"Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others
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