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Cypress
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KASHEYDOG, Idaho's getting better and mo better! Not too many people and plenty of critters.
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woody with a view
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | Originally posted by DENNIS |
I'm more than an ATM.
[Edited on 9-30-2011 by DENNIS] |
yes you are. from what i've heard you're a damn fine drummer, too!
 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
yes you are. from what i've heard you're a damn fine drummer, too!
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Thank you so much.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
I don't know why I let myself get sucked into these things.. ..
My father always told me " never argue with idiots, you may be mistaken for one......
Think Ill go do something constructive. Hey, David K, Elinvestigator and Dennis, I'm buying the first 10 rounds of beer at the Monterey Cannery in
Oceanside. You guys comin' over?? One of you guys have to bring the spread sheet for the beer audit. SEE YA THERE.......
[Edited on 9-30-11 by KASHEYDOG] |
That would be sweet! How about tomorrow... I am dead tired now.
By-the-way all of you Nomads... Ron is alive and healing as we speak... and reading Nomad. So, cut the garbage talk. Nomad's contributions saved him
and not a penny was wasted.
Let's celebrate that the Internet worked for the good of our fellow Baja amigo, and be happy that so many of us were able to help. The gratitude is
forthcoming, but saving a life needs no reward beyond the spiritual one we feel inside... and that's my opinion. 
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KASHEYDOG
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by KASHEYDOG
I don't know why I let myself get sucked into these things....
My father always told me " never argue with idiots, you may be mistaken for one......
Think Ill go do something constructive. Hey, David K, Elinvestigator and Dennis, I'm buying the first 10 rounds of beer at the Monterey Cannery in
Oceanside. You guys comin' over?? One of you guys have to bring the spread sheet for the beer audit. SEE YA THERE.......
[Edited on 9-30-11 by KASHEYDOG] |
That would be sweet! How about tomorrow... I am dead tired now.
By-the-way all of you Nomads... Ron is alive and healing as we speak... and reading Nomad. So, cut the garbage talk. Nomad's contributions saved him
and not a penny was wasted.
Let's celebrate that the Internet worked for the good of our fellow Baja amigo, and be happy that so many of us were able to help. The gratitude is
forthcoming, but saving a life needs no reward beyond the spiritual one we feel inside... and that's my opinion. |
AMEN AGAIN !!! CAN I GET AN AMEN FROM ALL OF YA ??...........
David, what time tomorrow ??
[Edited on 10-1-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience.....  .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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BajaNuts
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A donation is a DONATION!
If you want a tax receipt or verification, make sure the organization can supply that before donating. Otherwise, trust that 95% of the people in the
world are working for good and any money sent to help someone will be for the good of those who need it.
Don't send/spend more than you can afford, and let it go after that.
If it were a recurring organization/person/scam I'd definitely say ask for verification. This ain't that scenario.
And yea...Nomads ROCK!
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Just something to consider.............Some of the original large pledges were for transportation costs to NOB, for medical treatment. That didn't
occur until substantial costs were incurred in Ensenada. Strings? Only those who pledged can speak to that!
Ken |
I was one of those, Ken, but it, to my recollection, was early in the game while, due to everybody being unaware of what was going on, thought
transport to be a viable option. [that was Ron's third day in the hospital, I believe]
Had a depository for funds been in place at that time, I would have put my money there.
I made my pledge and stood by it in a succeeding post, so I don't get your meaning here. |
Dennis is correct. We jumped in early with pledges specifically targeted to get Ron stateside. We believed he had served in the Navy and was
entitled to immediate treatment NOB if we could get him there. Two days was too long to diagnose and treat what we believed was a massive head injury.
The med-evac transport did not happen and our pledges were rolled into the hospital bill fund by others. I learned soon thereafter Ron had
specifically chosen the Mexican healthcare system and public insurance for catastrophic injury. He is a smart man and this was his plan. It was
either not a good enough plan, or the health system failed him. His hospital bill should have been near ZERO had he been taken to the same public
hospital as Cristina. Maybe he looked like a "gringo" so they took him to the private hospital, I don't know. I am glad they are fine. I am happy I
donated and I am not ashamed to say I donated half the amount towards his Mexican hospital bill as I pledged initially to med-evac him stateside. I
set my own conditions by donating half since this was his own plan. I never heard anyone say the family could do whatever they wanted with the money
and I thought an accounting system was being put into place on-the-fly by the people who accepted the donations. If Nomads & Friends donated $20K
for a $12K hospital bill, there are plenty of Nomad holiday charities that could benefit from the balance. This wasn't the "my healthcare sucks"
lottery. jmo. And Yes, I am still happy I donated for Ron and Cristina, it's us not having a transparent system I am not happy with. We should
know the cost of an ambulance taking someone to the wrong hospital- just to know.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Woooosh
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I agree morgaine7. We Nomads weren't prepared for this and a lot of assumptions are still being made. Myself included. This was about raising money
fast for the hospital because the Doctor refused to operate on Ron unless he was paid in cash first. We didn't donate in haste without conditions, we
were pretty much extorted by the Hospital. This was not a bake sale, charity auction or fundraiser. We had a friend who needed surgery right away
and that is what 100% of the money was for when it was collected. It was a horrible experience and it's hard to put everything back in order.
[Edited on 10-1-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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KASHEYDOG
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OK, people this will be my last post on this thread. I just have to do one more for you paranoid folks who are always thinking you're getting "ripped
off" on your $10 or whatever amount of "gift".
As I said earlier in this thread " if you can't afford it, if you can't give it without strings attached or if you don't trust whom ever you gift it
to. "DON"T GIVE IT".
Now let's try to put into perspective what we are quibbling over. Let's look at what this horrible experience is costing the victims just from an "out
of pocket expense". Just the money involved, since that's what you accountants seem to be focused on.
OK, 2 victims total of 6 days in 2 different hospitals. What do ya think (even in Mexico) $10 grand (?). How about transportation and emergency fees
$5 Grand (?). How about 24 hour "emergency room care" for Ron when he was unconscious for 24 or 48 hours( whatever it was) what maybe another $10
Grand( easy). How about ongoing surgeries and rehab here in the states for Ron? Any body want to volunteer a number? How about $30 Grand ( much more
expensive here in the states). How about ongoing care for Christina in Mexico ?? ( anybody have an estimate?). I really think I'm being somewhat
conservative in these estimates and probably haven't thought of many of the real life expenses, like psychological rehab for both Christina and Ron (
if they can afford the luxury). So, what have we got so far $55 /$60,000 at least ? Do you really think that this Nomad forum with all of it's
generous donors raised anywhere near that much money??
I doubt it.
Grab your wallet people we need to step up and give some more instead of demanding an audit of every $10 or $1000 that was "given".
It's just my opinion and you don't have to agree or disagree, but I think that in the "spirit of giving" we all owe Christina and Ron an apology for
allowing ourselves to have even entered this discussion. I for one am ashamed. My sincere apologies to Christina and Ron and all of my fellow Nomads.
Good night.............
[Edited on 10-1-11 by KASHEYDOG]
Don\'t mess with the old dog...... Age and skill will always overcome youth and treachery! Brilliance only comes with age and
experience..... .... ....
Are you getting the most out of life OR is life getting the most out of you ??
Twenty years from now you\'ll be more disappointed by the things you didn\'t do then the things you did.
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latina
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In my family we were raised to "do unto others as you would have others do unto you"...
I have never met Ron or
Cristina but my donation was given in the spirit of kindness and goodwill towards two fellow human beings whose almost fatal injuries came about by
simply coming to the aid of their neighbour.
This story could have easily had a horrific outcome, but the financial aid and other support from individuals on this board contributed to putting the
wheels in motion that enabled Ron and his wife to actually leave the hospital in Ensenada and begin the long journey to recover from the physical and
psychological damage they have suffered. Don't think for a moment that just because they have left the hospital that they will be able to go back to
their life as they knew it anytime soon...
In my humble opinion, people are spurred to give their financial help and time to friends, neighbours and strangers by something precious in the
human spirit and what they get back is the knowledge that they have helped in some small way without requiring anything in return...after all, what's
the point if we can't do what we can to help each other?
Don't diminish the good that has been done by bickering and demanding accountings of expenses from people who probably are only beginning to come to
terms with what has happened to them. Maybe for some of you it is time to close this story and move on to the next one, but I think these folks will
need a lot more time and compassion from all of us...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by latina
Don't diminish the good that has been done by bickering and demanding accountings of expenses from people who probably are only beginning to come to
terms with what has happened to them. |
Yours is a heartfelt message and should be heeded by everybody. I know I will....right after I correct one key error in your reasoning.
Nobody is asking Ron and Cris to account for anything. From what I can understand, they were/are seperated from the entire donation effort. They
didn't ask for anything and didn't receive anything to my knowledge.
That...is why some are asking. It's a fair question.
Thanks for your thoughts. They matter a lot.
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wessongroup
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Good one latina
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by latina
Don't diminish the good that has been done by bickering and demanding accountings of expenses from people who probably are only beginning to come to
terms with what has happened to them. |
Yours is a heartfelt message and should be heeded by everybody. I know I will....right after I correct one key error in your reasoning.
Nobody is asking Ron and Cris to account for anything. From what I can understand, they were/are seperated from the entire donation effort. They
didn't ask for anything and didn't receive anything to my knowledge.
That...is why some are asking. It's a fair question.
Thanks for your thoughts. They matter a lot. |
I'll bet Ron is totally embarrassed by all this. He didn't ask for any money and had a plan in place for catastrophic healthcare in Mexico without our
help. Had the hospital not extorted the money, we could have all waited and donated money in the spirit of fundraising for what they needed to cover
the hospital bills and caretaker expenses. Then everyone could do what they wanted with all the money collected. But it didn't go down that way.
Hospital extortion is not no-rules fundraising. As far as I know the family did not even need the money, they just didn't have the cash in Mexico to
pay the Doctor who demanded it.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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mtgoat666
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extortion?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Had the hospital not extorted the money,... |
has the story now morphed to where the hospital was an extortionist?
would be nice of health care was govt-provided, so we didn't have "free market" condititions allowing doctors to open up legalized extortion clinics!
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Roberto
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
Roberto, I've come to the conclusion that *** *** * **** *********. What happened to Ron and Cristina is a tragedy. From this tragic event we
witnessed a bunch of beautiful people come together and render whatever aid was possible. I appreciate Shari, DK, Sirenita, angels4, Dennis and many
others for all of the organizing they did.
I am sure Ron is reading these post's and quite frankly I am embarrassed at some of the crap you are posting. If you ever run into trouble in Baja and
you are within striking distance of Ron, he will be the first one to respond to your call for aid.....in his PJ's if he has to.
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Thanks. I have come to the conclusion that *** *** ** ***** - as *** speak without knowing anything of what *** are talking about. Check back and ***
*** see that I was one of the first to volunteer to actually get off my butt and go down there and bring him back to the US and get him in a hospital.
I believe in helping up close and personal. That never happened because his daughter didn't want to go that way.
***********************************? **************************** ************************** *****************?
Don't talk to me about helping others, in Baja or elsewhere. I have done it many times and not over the phone, but by actually being there. You don't
know about it because I don't advertise, in fact, I don't want people to know because the chatter on this board often makes me ill. That's not why I
do it. But there are others on this board (and many board NOT on this board) who do.
Every charitable organization in the world has open records, and for good reason. It makes people who know nothing feel everything is clean and above
board and makes them willing to contribute. Think about it. *************************************, and Doug was the one who made the statement about
needing to keep detail records, which I couldn't agree with more. Was he **** stirring too?
[Edited on 9-29-2011 by Roberto]
[Edited on 9-29-2011 by BajaNomad] |
Roberto, no one is negating the fact that you were "one of the first ones to get of your butt and volunteer". I just feel that it was kinda rude of
you asking for "transparency" and "an accounting" of all the funds collected for Ron and Cristina in such a public way. A simple u2u to Doug would
have sufficed, I think.
I don't know, I just don't agree with Ron having to read all of this arguing over where all of the duckets went. I am a trusting person and for the
most part I believe that most Baja Nomads are good, honorable people. I do not believe that some of the donations ended up at "Anthony's".
You are a big man, Roberto. I apologize for having called you a **** ********* ( mea culpa to Jose Cuervo).
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Mengano
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
would be nice of health care was govt-provided, so we didn't have "free market" condititions allowing doctors to open up legalized extortion clinics!
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Oh, so nobody who needs government-provided services in Mexico ever gets extorted?
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
Had the hospital not extorted the money,... |
has the story now morphed to where the hospital was an extortionist?
would be nice of health care was govt-provided, so we didn't have "free market" condititions allowing doctors to open up legalized extortion clinics!
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That is the absolute truth to the best of my recollection.
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\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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shari
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It is my understanding that Del Carmen charges by the day..the bill is prepared on a daily basis of what treatments cost and made an exception in
Ron's case when they were promised the bill would be covered. Nobody had the cash to pay by the day at the time.
I also understand that Ron was first brought to the General Hospital but that they only have one operating room so they had to make a decision there
on who they were going to be able to save and they thought Cristina had a better chance at survival but they werent sure they could treat ron's
injuries so he was sent on to Del Carmen which makes sense.
I was just the switchboard in all this trying to help communicat with all of you and keep you updated.
I also understand that the receipts are being organized as we speak...several people have different receipts as several people paid the hospital on
different occasions. There is no hiding anything...it is just taking ron's daughter time to organize all of this so she can present it clearly and
completely so please bear with them...their priority is to help ron & cristina heal.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
they only have one operating room so they had to make a decision there on who they were going to be able to save and they thought Cristina had a
better chance at survival but they werent sure they could treat ron's injuries so he was sent on to Del Carmen which makes sense.
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Thanks Shari. It was THAT exact moment when Ron should have been med-evac'd to the States, but there was no family member to authorize it.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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angels4
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Gene, don't worry about it. Sirenita nor Fernando have anything to explain. The answers that less than a handful are requesting will come in due time.
What a shame that Ron was not allowe the time to heal and instead has to deal with this demands by some who didn't even donate a penny towards his
recovery. Out of respect for Ron and the family I don't open the "Pandora's box" because I do have that much love and respect for him. Please leave
Sirena and Fernando out of your speculations regarding funds received. Every dollar was given to Christine and she used it ALL to pay the hospital
bill at Del Carmen. There are receipts that tally beyond what was donated. But, the task of giving you the details belongs to Christine, not Sirena
nor Fernando. Those two amazing humans went beyond the call of duty to be by Ron's side and HE Knows it. Sorry, Ron I swore not to fuel the fire, but
you don't deserve to read this insane posts. I am amazed at how much progress you are making and how hard your are working to get better buddy, but my
blood is boiling knowing how unfair some people can be. You stay on track with your recovery, I know that in your heart you know the real truth and no
one can fool you.
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