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Cypress
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The bottom line as I understand it is, Ron and Christine are on the road to recovery for both their physical and mental wounds. Nomads came together
to help them financially and otherwise. They didn't solicit any funds( they were in intensive care). None of the nomads that were close to the
situation(Serinita, Fernando) asked nor received any compensation for their time etc. assisting with the situation. Cut out all the drama! Be thankful
they're getting better and that Serinita a Fernando were there to provide help.
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BajaRat
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Ron and Cristina,
I hope your lives are mending, we were so worried.Ron the picture you woke up to was from my daughter, she wanted to leave an angel by your bed side.
I must tell you that the living angeles that were by your side spent many sleepless days and nights leaving their lives behind dedicated to your care
and recovery. We hope you and your family is well and look forward to returning to the ;peaceful life that brought us to san Quintin in the first
place.
P.S. We love you guys.............
Fam van Gurp
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BajaRat
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Oh by the way,
The living angels we saw by your bedside when we visited were Sirena, Fernando and his daughter.
XOXO
[Edited on 10-1-2011 by BajaRat]
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Roberto
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You know what? I am sorry I brought this up. It was in no way aimed at Ron, it was rather an attempt to make the point that when you collect money in
a public forum, you need to explain how and if the money reached the recipients. Pretty standard (I thought).
Ron, if you are reading this nothing but good wishes to you and yours. If you interpreted my question as having anything to do with you and how you
and yours spent any money you may have received, I apologize. That is not what I intended.
As for the rest of you idiots who have the need to attack those who have a different perspective on things, nothin' but love for ya too! :-)
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David K
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This public forum didn't collect money, people volunteered to help and used this forum only to find out where to send it. Discover Baja Travel Club
was one point of collection. Yah, we are all idiots alright,,, nice comment Roberto.
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bajamigo
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24-Cooldown Period
After over 1,200 posts on this topic, little has been resolved, but the rancor needlessly seems to grow. Why don't we all withhold all our posts on
this thread until Monday morning; take Sunday off to review your thoughts and come back Monday with fresh ideas and new insights.
Just a suggestion.
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sanquintinsince73
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As I was exiting the 805 at Sweetwater just a while ago there was a gentleman at the bottom of the ramp holding up a cardboard sign that read:
"Viet-nam Vet, any donation will help". As I always do with any veteran in need, I reached for my wallet and gave him a $20.
My 10 year-old lowered his rear window and slipped him a $5.
We compared Marine Corps tattoos for a few seconds and as I drove away this idiot thought of you, Roberto.
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
As I was exiting the 805 at Sweetwater just a while ago there was a gentleman at the bottom of the ramp holding up a cardboard sign that read:
"Viet-nam Vet, any donation will help". As I always do with any veteran in need, I reached for my wallet and gave him a $20.
My 10 year-old lowered his rear window and slipped him a $5...... |
Did he show you his DD214? I mean really, do you believe those signs?
Last pan handler that caught my eye was down by the airport. I swear this is true....................He only had one arm and the sign in his one
remaining arm read, "can you give me a hand?"
Ken
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JESSE
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This thread shows the best and the worst of some nomads.
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comitan
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Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
| Quote: | Originally posted by sanquintinsince73
As I was exiting the 805 at Sweetwater just a while ago there was a gentleman at the bottom of the ramp holding up a cardboard sign that read:
"Viet-nam Vet, any donation will help". As I always do with any veteran in need, I reached for my wallet and gave him a $20.
My 10 year-old lowered his rear window and slipped him a $5...... |
Did he show you his DD214? I mean really, do you believe those signs?
Last pan handler that caught my eye was down by the airport. I swear this is true....................He only had one arm and the sign in his one
remaining arm read, "can you give me a hand?"
Ken |
I believe him and I will give again and again. The one's I never give to are the religious one's at the border dressed like nurses. Now those are
frauds.
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Woooosh
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CRITIQUE THREAD OPEN IN OFF TOPIC:
"The BajaGringo Ron Hoff Emergency Episode: The Critique
The thread on the main board is going downhill fast, so here's the cliff. Jump. Get it all out in OT. Maybe we are all just too polite to say what is
on our minds on the main board. So here you go. If no one feels compelled to post, that wold be just fine too.
Remember Folks: This is the dreaded, troll filled- Off Topic area. Read and post at your own peril. The main thread is far from dead, and we still
have learning to do from this. It would be a shame to go through this fire drill and not wind up with some useful information for other Nomads. "
[Edited on 10-2-2011 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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tripledigitken
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SQ73,
You're a good man, thanks for your service.
Ken
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Pescador
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There have been a number or people posting on this topic who are really mugwumps with their mug on one side of the border and their wump on the other.
The hospital system in Mexico is clearly not the same system as the United States but cheaper. The idea that the Del Carmen was ripping people off
is a real sign of disrespect and prejudice for the Mexican Hospital system. It is a private hospital system that makes sure they have the money up
front. The fact that Ron came through this is due, in no small part, to the care and treatment that he received. Some people choose to live in
Mexico because of economics but when things tighten up they run back across the border as quickly as possible. Ron had purchased what he considered
a good insurance plan which either stands or does not stand on its own merits. So the idea that an accounting is even required or needed is in fact
another reflection of that same lack of trust.
[Edited on 10-2-2011 by Pescador]
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mcfez
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Many assuming fools here. Many.
All in good time...the facts will be in. Some of you need to just shut the hell up and relax.
Old people are like the old cars, made of some tough stuff. May show a little rust, but good as gold on the inside.
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Diver
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
It is really no one's business whether or not I chose to donate to the cause of helping Ron as a friend, but for sure if I chose to send money, when
it left my hand that was the end of it and it is of no importance if his daughter spent it on a wild night on the town. |
| Quote: | Originally posted by mcfez
All in good time...the facts will be in. Some of you need to just shut the hell up and relax. |
My thoughts EXACTLY !!!!
Thank you both.
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BajaDove
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As soon as money rears its ugly head everything becomes about money
if you want to say where money goes take it in hand and put it there
The important thing is Ron and Christina are home and well.
If its not where it is, its where it isn\'t.
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sanquintinsince73
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaDove
As soon as money rears its ugly head everything becomes about money
if you want to say where money goes take it in hand and put it there
The important thing is Ron and Christina are home and well. |
I agree with you, BajaDove.
http://youtu.be/JkhX5W7JoWI
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ELINVESTIG8R
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This is awful!
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windgrrl
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Here is a well known system of incident management. It requires organizational commitment, but would address much of the BN post incident critique
issues. I have participated in activation and deactivation of this type of command structure. Like anything, its not perfect...but for those who have
a deep need for leadership, emergent response, access to funds and others for fiscal control/reports and accountability, there is a part of the
structure to address each issue and more. The other parts of the command structure allow for leadership and freeing up responders to do their good
stuff. It's easy to learn, easy to set up and works because it is clear and straight forward.
If one looks back on this incident using the ICS framework, it is possible to see how many parts of the command would come into play. There are lots
of agencies who offer training - a social group or community or big organization can use the structure and processes. Would help to avoid the
emotional subjective mess and get the help where it is needed fast without judgement which no matter what a person thinks of another person, is the
human thing to do. I don't think that there was any malicious intent in trying to help in this situation, however, when some folks want information
for whatever reason and don't get it, they just fill in the information gaps with conjecture.
Alternatively, having a personal safety plan (e.g. subscription to private evacuation and/or SPOT) seem wise.
From Wikipedia:
The Incident Command System (ICS) is "a systematic tool used for the command, control, and coordination of emergency response" according to the United
States Federal Highway Administration.[1] A more detailed definition of an ICS according to the United States Center for Excellence in Disaster
Management & Humanitarian Assistance is "a set of personnel, policies, procedures, facilities, and equipment, integrated into a common
organizational structure designed to improve emergency response operations of all types and complexities."[2] An ICS is based upon a flexible,
scalable response organization providing a common framework within which people can work together effectively. These people may be drawn from multiple
agencies that do not routinely work together, and ICS is designed to give standard response and operation procedures to reduce the problems and
potential for miscommunication on such incidents. ICS has been summarized as a "first-on-scene" structure, where the first responder of a scene has
charge of the scene until the incident has been declared resolved, a more qualified responder arrives on scene and receives command, or the Incident
Commander appoints another individual Incident Commander.
For more info and an org. chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_command_system
When the way comes to an end, then change. Having changed, you pass through.
~ I-Ching
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